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Ruin needs to be added to every killer by default, not a perk

That's simply all there is to it. Every killer is required to take it, and because of crappy totem spawns and survivors spawning right next to it, it still only lasts 10 seconds.

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  • KeepDCPenalties
    KeepDCPenalties Member Posts: 47

    If you want a build to be viable, you need to take it.

  • switch
    switch Member Posts: 489

    No, but i do agree they need to slow down the game, and give the killer more options in terms of builds.

  • JC316
    JC316 Member Posts: 693

    I feel like Ruin needs to remain as a perk, but not be a hex. If 4 survivors are healthy, it operates as it does now, but each survivor being injured will reduce it's effectiveness by 25%. If everyone is hurt, the gens can go fast, but the killer gets an M1 instadown. Heal back up and ruin comes back.

    This would also give people a reason to run no mither.

  • savevatznick
    savevatznick Member Posts: 651

    While I agree it would be good for overall game/balance health to add a second objective with similar urgency to what Ruin provides, I do not think the answer is to make Ruin basekit.

  • ZoneDymo
    ZoneDymo Member Posts: 1,946
    edited December 2019

    No ruin is just bad, people brought up ideas to replace ruin as an overall new mechanic anyway a long time ago.

    The idea that survivors have to find randomly scattered fuel cans first and bring them to a generator before they can start working on it.

    This will slow the game down a bit, give survivors more to do and force them a bit to explore giving both sides a chance to earn points, stealthing around the killer or the killer finding them

    Also, should this really be here and not in feedback/suggestions?

  • Raptorrotas
    Raptorrotas Member Posts: 3,249
    edited December 2019

    I think we shouldnt make ruin basekit.

    Especially when we could just tweak basic skillcheck chance, sucess zones and sucess/failure progress bonus/penalty.

  • PistolTimb
    PistolTimb Member Posts: 1,413
    edited December 2019

    That would never happen, nor should it

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    I don't think that's a good idea, too many newer players struggle with ruin

    I would rather the game be made longer instead of slowed down tbh

  • Kalec84
    Kalec84 Member Posts: 495

    At this point the can just change the difficult of genators skillceck...

    Just saying...

  • Patiencehero
    Patiencehero Member Posts: 54

    I disagree, just on the basis that slowdown is no more fun than losing 3 gens in 2 minutes. It's a band aid solution, and doubling down on that isn't going to fix anything or get to the root of the problem (Whether that be generator repair speed or lack of secondary objectives for survivors), nor will it make the game any more fun.

  • KeepDCPenalties
    KeepDCPenalties Member Posts: 47

    Ruin is required for good survivors. Of course any perks will work against #########-tier players, but when ruin works, it works, and there isn't anything comparable in the game to that of a good ruin game.

  • Laakeri
    Laakeri Member Posts: 835

    I would rather stop playing Billy than use Ruin on him.

  • Accullla
    Accullla Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2019

    Ruin is a bad perk even when active. It prevents people who use it as a crutch from improving their skill and efficiency as killer.

    When it lasts it helps killers easily beat bad survivor teams without needing to play well themselves. At the same time it does close to nothing against good teams even if it stays up the whole match.

    I play without ruin and always have 4 perks on which I can actually rely

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433

    Play without ruin and survivors will complete 2 gens before you even have time to get to it.

  • Apple2o
    Apple2o Member Posts: 624

    If you don't play without ruin at red ranks, you are either playing an overpowered killer or you are camping and tunneling hard. That's just the way it is. For most killers it will easily take 3+ non-ruin generators to get through all the safe pallets to get your first down. I say red ranks because it proves a level of competency, not necessarily skilled players.

    If the survivors don't know how to utilize the safe pallets then they are bad and it's not a match worth considering for game balance. Or they got outplayed super hard, and got mindgamed at safe pallets.

  • herpderp00
    herpderp00 Member Posts: 14

    The devs already said 'No' buddy. Move on.

  • LordRegal
    LordRegal Member Posts: 1,549

    Hard disagree. Ruin is a perk I actively avoid using because I come to rely on it, and that makes me play sloppily and blame it on ruin going too fast as opposed to anything I did. I don’t think making it basekit would do anything positive. If gens are too fast by default then the problem are gens, not that ruin takes a perk slot.

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433

    Hmm interesting how you all argue against ruin as basekit but want kindred in survivor's basekit. Really makes ya think...

  • LordRegal
    LordRegal Member Posts: 1,549

    I’ve argued quite strenuously against Kindred basekit as well. So I guess my stance is “perks are perks for a reason, making them basekit is not a good balance move”

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433

    Killer still needs something to slow the game without the requirement of taking ruin.

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    If you're required to take it, and it's gone in 10 seconds, but you still win the match... Was it really required?


    It always makes me laugh how some people complain about totems being destroyed in seconds almost every match but also say they can't win without ruin =/

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433
  • Apple2o
    Apple2o Member Posts: 624

    That's why haunted grounds is a secret S tier perk. You can pretty much rely on having it popped within the first minute of the game because of how trash the totem spawns are.

  • Apple2o
    Apple2o Member Posts: 624

    One of the best strategies in the game is to hook someone on your ruin and camp it. I have actually gotten use out of hangman's trick by camping the same hook next to ruin all game.

    Nothing will get you more salt.

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433
  • Sheldor
    Sheldor Member Posts: 213

    So many killer players overused ruin that half experienced players have not much of a problem hitting perfect skillchecks most of the time so gens go just as quick as without it and games without ruin become even faster.

    I hardly ever use it on any killer, its not necessary. As a survivor I find it annoying that it not only stops gen progress for 3 s but also bites 3 s repair progress out of your progress bar.

    3 people on a gen not constantly hitting skill checks (which tend to occur at a ridiculously high frequency) can easily bring a gen down in short time.

    Its an overdone perk like so many bad design decision this studio delivers combined with very bad coding.

  • FJSJ_Lunar
    FJSJ_Lunar Member Posts: 230
  • thrawn3054
    thrawn3054 Member Posts: 5,897

    I mean sure. Then after a couple of months. When every survivor learns to hit greats, what then?

  • ALostPuppy
    ALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    If you changed ruin to be something else? Maybe. But survivors should also have something like kindred or deja vu in their base kit as well. You also don't need ruin on a lot of killers and builds. Billy, Nurse, Spirit and maybe Pig do just fine without it (Pig because her RBTs can be a built-in gen slowdown by taking survivors off gens for a while). Not running ruin doesn't give you that little bit of security at the beginning of matches but it also means you don't have to babysit it at the beginning either so it's a double-edged sword really

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,951

    Never going to happen. You might as well ask for killers to be equipped with automatic rifles. You'll get the same response.

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    as a killermain, i would heavily dislike that.

    this would only lead the survivors attention at totems, therefore indirectly nerfing any other totem perk in existence (well, besides Haunted Grounds ofc).

    if you wish to play with Ruin, equip it. but please do not force it uppon other players like me, who play without the perk (and do so rather succesfully i might add).

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433

    Survivors are already OP, that's why killers need a buff. Buffing survivors in exchange for buffing killer won't solve the problem.

  • perezkarlo37
    perezkarlo37 Member Posts: 55
    edited December 2019

    I think that gens need to be moderately slower and in compensation for that ruin should have a little nerf, because it can last all the match along and normally all 4 survivors would be dead, or it lasts less than one minute and the match vanishes in less than 5 minds. So if gens were slower, killers wouldn't need to use ruin every time in order to get a decent match.

  • Accullla
    Accullla Member Posts: 984

    Get to what?

    I play without ruin. Losing 1 or 2 gens in the beginning of the game whilst you have no pressure is OK. You're supposed to stall survivors gen progress once you start injuring and hooking them

  • ALostPuppy
    ALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    Survivors are not OP, they just aren't. And giving killers ruin as basekit won't solve the problem either, it'll make a survivor's playtime miserable and killers rely too much on it. In higher ranks, it won't make much of a difference, but in low ranks the game would become killer sided. The real problems are with map design, this is what makes survivors seem "OP".

  • Clevite
    Clevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Gotta disagree. Play some games without it and the clock in your head will adjust. Gotta break chases sooner sometimes.

    Split pressure as much as you can and you can still do fine.