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Plague and Legion
So a couple of people have been posting their tierlist, and i saw one thing that's very consistent that struck me as odd
They all put Legion way at the bottom while putting Plague relativly high
I don't really understand this, what does Plague have that Legion doesn't have except an ability that you only get if survivors choose to
In the end they both leave everybody injured and become an m1 killer that oneshots and have some tracking
With the exception that Legion does it faster
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I think that Legion is REALY underrated
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Legions better than Nurse according to a Dev statistics.
Plague is good like really good. While Legions good as well. Plague wont lose to her own power.
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I think it’s what the power offers you. One is a constant while the other is a nut punt simulator with a cooldown that doesn’t down down survivors.
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The only thing in common they have is that their main ability is to wound survivors. The difference is that Plague does it passively; you spit on a guy and they will break no matter what and once broken the disease will spread. Legion has to do the work himself and Legion leaves survivors the possibility to heal themselves up so you can't really capitalize on the injures as much, especially since they removed the Sloppy effect. Survivors usually won't cleanse against Plague because then she'll just become a Huntress on steroids and like I said: she has a passive ability that will spread so the chance of you getting sick again is pretty high. The fact the sickness completely counters all stealth play, which Legions ability does not, is also a massive plus. Legions tracking ability is good and all but usually they're out of range, even with the speed buff, and it's mainly useful for injuring survivors, not to down them.
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When you realise they are out of range just cancel your power and walk to where you saw the aura's
More often then not they will still be around there and your power will be back by then
If you run halfway across the map in your power for no reason isn't Legion being bad but you misplaying
The fact that survivors have the option to heal is a good thing, if they waste time like that they are not doing gens
And while Legion does have to injure survivers themself instead of passivily they ussually can injure everyone waaay faster then Plague can
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I got to rank 1 playing Legion only with no add-ons. He's really underrated.
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They're indeed wasting time, but then again you will be forced wasting time to injure them so it's just a point of view, while in the meantime you lost the ability to one shot them. I'm not saying you should run across the map, as I pointed out they're usually out of range and what's the point of a tracking ability if they're out of range. Legion usually does injure the survivors faster than Plague yeah but does it really matter if they struggle capitalizing on those injures?
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It's not that they's underrated, you can go pretty much wild with every killer if you play them a lot. But there's a difference between the killers because at how much you'll have to be sweaty to finish a match.
So yeah, I love Legion too, and I usually 4k, and they's fun, but clearly, they's bottom tier. (Clown is worst tho.)
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Yeah but survivors have to cleanse to heal against Plague
...which basically means : death.
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Legion doesn't do it faster and a lot of people overrate Plague.
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16 seconds for 2 survivors or 32 seconds with selfcare, 20% on top of that if you use the yellow pin, it takes less then 10 seconds to injure someone again if you find a healthy person
If they heal they lost way more time from it then you from having to hit them again
I don't see how plague can capitilize more of injured persons then Legion can
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Plague either has to either passivly make them sick wich takes forever or go to every survivor and puke on them 2-3 times and if survivors are at certain tiles then can avoid the puke pretty well
Legion can ping pong extremly fast between survivors injuring them all and is bassicly unavoidable unless Legion makes a mistake
The only time Legion struggles is when every single survivor is seperated and while that rarelly happens in my experience and the people i watch play Legion
On avarage Legion can injure everyone waaay faster then Plague, that's honestly not even a debate
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The only things they have in common are that players don’t bother to heal against them.
Plague is better by a large margin though.
- If you heal against Legion, they are back to square one. If you heal against Plague she gets a more powerful ability.
- Plague has better tracking. You can see sick survivors from a mile away and they will cough and puke which completely counters Iron Will.
- Plague completely counters all healing perks.
- Legion cannot down a survivor with their power and gets a FOUR second fatigue after using their power. Plague can down with Corrupt Purge and can basically instadown a survivor if she gets close enough and gets all her puke on a survivor.
- Plague has better add-ons.
- Legion’s power is basically giving survivors Borrowed Time and a Sprint Burst.
I don’t see how anyone thinks Legion is anywhere close to as powerful as Plague.
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Once infected they are injured for the rest the game basically, meaning you never have to re injure. Legion is having to do it over and over. You also might be fast but you still have to find them and hit them, Plague doesn't need that.
The rate at which they become injured really doesn't matter much if she is being played properly. Unless you catch them at a bad spot you are just infecting and moving on.
"Legion can ping pong extremly fast between survivors injuring them all and is bassicly unavoidable unless Legion makes a mistake"
This is generally only happening against bad survivors and is definitely avoidable quite easily.
"The only time Legion struggles is when every single survivor is seperated and while that rarelly happens in my experience and the people i watch play Legion"
Only if you are playing against bad survivors. Even decent survivors aren't gonna clump up for you against Legion.
"On avarage Legion can injure everyone waaay faster then Plague, that's honestly not even a debate"
ONE time, of which you are having to do it over and over all game. That cannot be said for Plague. Also infecting them all faster depends on how clumped they are.
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If the survivors heal they lose way more time then it takes to reinjure them which is a win for Legion
It happens very rarelly that you can't hit multiple survivors with FF, i think you are overvaluating the avarage survivor
While plague broken effect is bassicly for the entire match, Legion gains time if they decide to heal, which just makes your gen protector emblem better
Plague bassicly screams at survivors to plow through the gens seeing how they can't do anything else
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Quick disclaimer i forgot to mention, i see pipping as winning, not the amount of kills i can get
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Plague has more power overall but both share the same flaw..the are mostly doomed to chase as normal m1 killers making them both easy to defeat..and since few people heal against plague and do so instantly when they do..pressure is weaker than average on plague..making gen speeds also above average as well..legion is better at slowing them however he has even less chase power than plague..making him the lower end killer he realistically is..both need another layer to their powers though and I think they'd do fine after that
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The Legion is the easiest Killer to pip as while the Plague is really hard to pip as imo. They should rework the Emblem system for Killers.
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Wait seriously? I know they can pip easily without killing, but how do you play them? I would love some strategy, hints, and tips how to play them. I generally like to play most Killer's who's not Billy or Nurse.
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Raging_ryuga on youtube is a pretty good Legion and he has a video where he plays 16 Legion games in a row, only depippibg one of them
He often explains his thought process too so he's pretty good for learning
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Thanks I'll check the vids out after work. I always wanted to play Legion because I feel using them will benefit me sometimes swinging too early and missing.
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Well you will definitivly feel punished if you miss a hit in feral frenzy ^^'
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Which is good for making sure I 100% know not to mess up. XD
I intentionally do this to myself to improve as a player. I rarely miss now, but this will make it so I can improve and miss less or just not get over eager at small loops I thought I could get a hit at.
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Yeah i feel the same, i also am way to eager with swings and my potato pc that can only run this game at 22 fps isn't helping
You do start to pay more attention to it with Legion
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Man 22fps would be rough you have my sympathy. Least you got a PC version tho.
Thanks for the help.
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Legion's power actively hurts him if Survivor's don't heal.
Plague's power is always going to leave people injured or they'll give you an amazing power.
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I don't see how you people think legion is underrated. They are a bottom of the barrel gutter tier killer. Like trapper but with no traps. All their power does is injure, and after that they're a standard m1 killer.
Plague makes stealth completely unviable. Her power only injures, just like legion, but survivors are louder, leave green goop on everything they touch, and can actually injure other survivors if they touch said green goop. Then if survivors get fed up with being injured all game, they cleanse and plague can access a power comparable to a machine gun huntress with less range. Survivors that are dumb enough to give it to her allow Her to snowball harder than hillbilly, Myers and Oni, especially if she is running her teachable perk Infectious Fright.
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Because if your good at mind games being a standert m1 killer with everyone injured isn't that bad
Also their power gives them information wich is invaluable
Also being able to annoy every survivor in your terror radius when you use your power slows down gens, Legion is one of those killers who can chase multiple survivors at once
Injured survivors make a lot of noise anyway, the only thing it does is counter Iron Will and while that's not an uncommon perk it hardly a reason that Plague is that much above Legion
And while it's true that if survivors give her her corrupted power she becomes insane, if survivors selfcare everytime when Legion injures them Legion's stall becomes insane too
You can't really count bad survivor play for one and not for the other
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RemoveLegionpls
I'm kidding of course
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Plague punishes survivors that don't know how to play against her pretty hard. Legion eats through healing, but as a survivor you don't have to change up your gameplay too much to be more effective racing legion
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Here you go. First of all my build. Ruin, Spirit fury, enduring and Corrupt intervension. This od the best possibile build on legion. You don't need any tracking perks because your power is great at It, so you can focus more on slowdown and perks that help you in chase.
Tips. When someone is going for the unhook, hit the unhooked survivor with Frenzy first, then go for the healthy one.
When you managed to hit multiple survivors with frenzy and youre chasing the latest survivor you have found, and you noticed injured survivor that is selfcaring of just running. Go for him. This survivor wasted a little bit time to mend alredy, while the peron who you chased didn't, so you're buying yourself extra time.
When you hit your first survivor with Frenzy you need to play attention for the heartbeats volume.
1 If there is no hartbeating, this means that there is no survivors without deepwound within your terror radius, and you can close the gap between the person you've injured a few seconda ago (using speed from your power) then cancel the power and down him.
2.If there is quiet heartbeat, that means that survivor is at the edge of your terror radius and you shloud not go for him, and you shloud do the same thing as in pointy no 1.
3. If heartbeat is intense you defenitley shloud go for another injurys on survivors.
Well maybe i've go this rank 1 with Legion because i have over 2k hours. I know where survivors spawn on every map and i don't have problem finding my first survivor at all, so i can build my momentum almost immediately. Mindgames are big part of my succed. Being able do get easy hits on survs here and there really helps win games. I can't write you how to mindgames, this is something you need to learn or someone needs to show IT to you.
Ty for reading my book.
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I'll message your profile with my current Legion perks so maybe you can help me with a build if thats ok?
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thats.....a very interesting opinion to say the least
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he has potential to do it faster, that’s incredibly situational for that to happen so its nowhere near reliable but with plague its basically guaranteed people will be injured
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I also got to rank 1 with legion only and without add-ons thrice.
But guess what, i caught 2 rank 2 players in a match that didn't know what 3 genning themselves is so i don't think that that is a good matter of evaluating a killer imo.
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Of course. You can even link me your steam profile if you want.
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Thanks. Unfortunately my steam account was lost when dedicated servers came out. It was a secondary account from my main steam because I started on PS4. I didn't want to get banned so I created a dedicated dbd account. I forgot the pass and email associated with it. I'll remember eventually lmaooooo
I've started it on my main account now when I'm not using PS4.
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Why not? That's what the avarage survivor is about
People are always overestimating the avarage survivors, killers who can deal with the swf ubersquad are op for every other survivor
That's not a good standert to look at
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Plague vs Legion :
Damaging survivors with Vile Purge doesn't give survivors a sprint burst, so she can down them pretty fast, especially with effectiveness and cooldown add-ons. Legion's Frenzy gives survivors Sprint Burst and Borrowed Time and Legion literally "D-Strikes" himself everytime he uses his power, so it's impossible for him to get a quick down.
Plague counters medkits, healing and stealth perks. Legion doesn't.
Plague has much, much better add-ons than Legion.
Plague can force survivors to cleanse with the right build and play style, which in turn will give her a very strong chase power, which Legion will never get.
Both have kinda bad perk synergy, however, Plague gets more benefits out of PWYF and Nemesis combo than Legion does.
But if you consider pipping a win, then yes, Legion is better at pipping than Plague, actually, he is probably better at pipping than everyone else. But in terms of effectiveness at getting kills, Plague is better.
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You just don't know how to play Legion
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ive been maining legion since he came out i-
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Am I the only one who's had some pretty terrible games as Plague because the survivors would just cleanse immediatly ? Meaning the sickness would just never spread and they all get back to full health near instantly ? Sure you get Corrupt Purge, but its overrated as hell in this kind of scenario. You have to walk to the pool, wich could be in a stupid place and, drink. If you where in chase, this will give massive distance to the survivor.
And strangely, chasing a full health survivor with a head start on some bullcrap map isn't that fast or easy, even with Corrupt Purge. Meanwhile when nobody cleanse, Plague might just be M1, but the survivors are much easier to find and go down in one hit.
What I'm trying to say here is that the whole "never cleanse against plague" motto is not that clear to me. Plague is just so inconsistant and results vary wildly from game to game.
I just find Legion much more reliable. Sure their best case scenario is not as strong as Plague's, but at least Feral Frenzy just work immediatly and they have to Mend and then heal normaly if they chose to do so. With Plague they either don't heal, or just heal in seconds with the magic foutains. Either way they waste less time and go back on gens.
Legion might be a mediocre killer, but they can still do the job if you use your tools right, and I feel like I'm the one in control of my power. Meanwhile with Plague its the survivors who decide how you will use your power and she either dominate complelty or flops miserably. There is no middle ground.
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I could main everything, but it doesn't mean that I am good with it
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I think the only reason Legion does so well is because of the idiots that just want to heal against his slow down build.
At this point Legion will always win because idiots just spend way too much time healing whilst someone is being chased
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Plague is much cooler than Legion
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damn guess 98% of the legion playerbase doesnt know how to play him
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I generally use Legion Pin. The first survivor doesn't get broken but the others do(I think that's kinda BS but it's not terrible). Usually leaves me with easy downs after that.
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legion is mid tier not bottom
at last year winter old legion made only legion players, and dbd been popular sudden
after legion patch they whined, but i never thought legion was bottom
because killrate must included those legion only new players,
now legion is far from bottom tier, its actually strong compare to other wm1s
only nurse and spirit clearly better than legion if consider all players skilled enough
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Not to rain on your parade, but piping with Legion is incredibly easy.
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Pipping does happen to be to win in this game, sure it's a flawed system but it's what we have
If Legion is good at piping then Legion is a good killer
Sure you can make your own rules and say only 4k count as a win but then you make the game artificially harder and you can't really talk about balance anymore
That would be like playing a shooter with a knife only and then complaining that guns are overpowered
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