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Considering the "Bring Mori" Comments rise....
(Ruins nerf seems to be causing a fun uproar...I've started relying on overcharge and PGTW more than ruin.. (Hit or miss tbh.) There seem to be ideas of everyone being toxic from killer side here and passing it around. While some say "It's for pressure related reasons" It feels the anger is being taken out less on the devs and more on the players from killers. However, consider the following that's happened time and time again...anything that seems to make it unfun for survivors devs will nerf. The only thing I see this doing honestly is making the nerf to mori happen a heck of a lot quicker (I'm fine with a mori nerf so long as they nerf keys....) Literally highwaying the nerf to it due to you being angry and wanting to "Make a statement".
2 things I ask..
1) Can someone link me or tell me the OFFICIAL changes to Ruin?
2) Is losing ruins overall strength really as bad as people say it is? Because i made a anger topic a while back about hex ruin being found so quickly. Sometimes within 30 seconds of a match starting, making the perk 100% useless....and honestly, as long as I've gotten 1 hook while ruins up, i can care less if i lose it after because it's at least gotten me that. Sometimes I still get 3 gens popped before i can even catch my first survivor WITH ruin still up. So is it really as useful as everyone says it is? Because i had a lot of people literally throwing it at me that it's a RNG perk and not to be relied on, but the second devs seem to want to change it, everyone here starts rioting and defending it like it was the only perk stopping you from losing. Ruin, imo, was one of those perks that could either be stupid powerful, or stupid weak. If you have bad survivors who can't hit the skill checks, ruin was strong, but as you get up there in ranks 1-8, it's a hell of a lot less effective than it could be. Most don't even bother looking for it. It's just a minor inconvenience. So that being said, is it mainly the new killers that are outraged about it? The setup killers who kinda use it to setup for the beginning of a match? What is it. I really wanna know because i'm getting mixed signals from them people back then telling me not to rely on it and to get good.
Me personally? I'm going to start integrating some of the other perks into my build. So here's my new build idea for the game (Main Pig, Clown, and recently huntress.) PGTW, Overcharge, NoED, BBQ. This seem pretty solid?
Also, because i feel bad for all the survivors seeing killers being dummy toxic towards you, here's a new idea, for all the people who want to be toxic and start bringing mori every game to try and make a point, survivors that see mori just make the game a battle of attrition. You see a mori, just hide for the entire game and see how long you can survive. Literally, only touch a gen to throw off their minds to think you're in the area :P Either the killer will get angry or leave, or eventually find you and kill you. (I think i might wanna add this is somewhat a joke because people will probably try to call out my next point as hypocrisy if i don't)
They wanna make it unfun for you? You make it unfun for them. I get people are angry at ruin change, but seriously, spouting out toxicity to people that have nothing to do with the changes to make your statement, robbing people of their fun just because you're angry is not the way to go. Or do go ahead, you will literally see mori's get nerfed then we'll see 80 threads of "Bye BHVR" if it isn't happening already.
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Fine by me. If you don't wanna read it don't. No one's gonna force you too.
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If the Devs nerf moris without touching toolbox speed nor keys, it will show that killers were right and that devs care more about survivor fun than they do killers. This will just end up alienating more killer players.
Devs can’t expect the game to be healthy when they cater to one side of the player base, while leaving the other side to rot in the stress inducing environment that they provide.
As for what the new Ruin changes are, just take a look at the patch notes, YouTube or one of the many threads complaint about it to see how they butchered it usefulness (and the reason why killers used it) in the beginning of a match.
This will just cause killers to make the game less fun for survivors since they will now have to tunnel and camp. There is really not much choice if they want to get a kill. Even good killers like Otz have to slug, and tunnel. God help you if you brought a key into one of his matches.
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That seems like a good build except for Overcharge. I'd put Corrupt Intervention instead, especially for Pig, so you'll have time to get your first helmet before the first gen.
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I kinda slug in general. Usually if i find a survivor as soon as they're taken off hook (I feel bad. Although some think it's because I figure they have DS. Which isn't normally the case) It's a tactic albeit not the best one sometimes. Gives nurses calling a reason to exist xD I think for the last year of watching, they've been doing a good job to buff killers -Except legion...lol However, someone pointed out they seem to cater more to anyone who is survivor sided and sees something unfun. So i'm not 100% sure
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I tried corrupt back when i first started playing as a killer, I think i just sucked at the time (Might wanna run whispers or something) everyone just hid from me until corrupt was gone :c I think corrupt will be a good replacement to ruin in a sense though. (It lasts about as long as ruins lifespan so lol)
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Basically don’t be toxic to people because you’re mad and advising survivors if they run into a killer being toxic due to the ruin change, just hide all game and don’t touch gens
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Also add that i said it was somewhat of a joke with the hide all game comment. And come on, if they're to lazy to read even that, which takes all of 2 minutes at best, i doubt they'd contribute anything useful aside from toxicity. :x
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If you don't like Corrupt, then I'd probably take Surveillance or Discordance on Pig so that you know where to approach stealthily, Iron Maiden or Bitter Murmur on Huntress dor fast reloads or sniping, respectively, and for Clown, I hate to say it but your best shot might be Franklin's Demise since he's a M1 killer and really weak.
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I should definitely try Iron Maiden. Maybe Iron Maiden, Corrupt, Discordance and surveillance? Or i can replace it with Pop. ( I kinda wish pig had like 6-7 traps to make her stalling a bit better, but sucks to suck lol) I'm guessing when people see corrupt most would just rather wait it off. Haven't tried it since the first couple times then got upset i couldn't find anyone and threw ruin on lol. So these ideas are a nice one for me :D Thank you!
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Glad I could help! ;)
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There are some problems that can't be solved with perks. Pig is always gonna have bad map pressure until she gets changed. And you don't have to crouch the whole way.
I'm just trying to give helpful feedback and useful suggestions to someone who asked for it. How would you deal with a gen being done on the other side of Mother's Dwelling as Pig?
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I personally think they should by default give her 5 traps and take away the long cast time of her charge. Make it a lot less. at least a second of casting, maybe go a bit less of a distance to balance it. It would make people actually use it lol
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Absolutely agree! I hate when one of the OP windows spawns on Macmillan Estate and I instantly know the time that can be wasted there is basically a free gen.
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Yeah, Pig definitely needs a rework.
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Maybe having the ability to grab her traps from the box's and repair them? That would also give them an indication as to which box they were at. Give her a que. :x She just has no map pressure often. Still fun for me to play though.
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Definitely! I was just using them as an example
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I don’t consider them toxic it was just the vibe I was getting from the OP who refused to provide a TLDR for the guy that asked for one. Possibly misinterpreted. Meh.
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If you're too lazy to read the two minutes it takes to do so then eh, it's on the person who refuses to read it. He refused to read, i'm in my right to refuse a TLDR. And why i bring up that the mori seems toxic is because the community is protesting by saying that they're going to be bringing mori's so in this sense, yes it makes it toxic because the way they're going about it is wrong. They're looking to be as rude as possible to survivors that didn't even do anything but play the game. Unless they teabag. then idk
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You are right my dude you absolutely have the right to refuse to. I had the time, no biggie. Have an amazing day.
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I asked for you sum it up. A lot of people ask for that. Don't get why your upset. And another user actually gave me a tldr which in thankful for.
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We don't need any more changes to happen to already see definitive proof that they care a out survivors and not killers. There's already been plenty of examples.
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People need to stop complaining, it's a game it's supposed to be fun. Not just for Killers but for survivors too, i hope these people whining over the ruin changes do leave the game it would make it less toxic. Everyone forgets this isn't our game it's behaviour they created they can do whatever the want with it. But don't forget we had self-care nerfed into the ground, mettle of man is the most useless perk in the game now, people say DS is good but it's not because there's way too many counters to it, balanced landing is almost useless too. Killers always complain about everything. I've played killer, but the only I want changed is the match making system so I stop going against purple ranks
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Bring moris. If they get nerfed over everything else, it proves killers right. And if they do then the playerbase will officially crater and you'll have survivors forced to play Bully Simulator 2020. Seems like a good trade off.
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It's easier to bring in moris and punish other players that didn't do anything other than spend money to play the game like killers did than it is to adapt one's play style, I guess.
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It's not really a matter of "proving killers right", as the patch notes do that well enough on their own. People are just tired of being told they don't matter as part of the playerbase, it's happened time and again for years now with the different generations of killers. Hell it took a killer strike last time to even get the Devs to acknowledge the severe imbalance issues back in 2017.
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I wanna know why they screwed legion so bad and refuse to rework him properly :x
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Mori's don't need a nerf considering you actually have to do something to gain the right to mori a survivors unlike keys.
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Uhh keys you need to do gens for them to even appear or be the last survivor and find hatch. They both have easy prerequisites. One hook, tunnel and kill is definitely not hard. Neither is doing a gens. In order to even use the key first you need 1 survivor dead and 4 gens done for it to even appear on the map
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People are going to say that the devs are catering to one side or another. If they nerf certain survivor perks, then they're catering to bad killers. If they nerf killer perks, then they're catering to bad survivors. I like this game too much to bother quitting now. Will games be more frustrating? Maybe
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You don't need to do anything for a key to appear I have ran plunderers instinct and got a ultra rare and a purple key to appear in chests before any gens were even done then it's one input takes not even a brain cell to do also tunneling that's just a made up concept to try to berate killers who chase you know to try to achieve their objective. Mori's take iq keys take Jack ######### you gotta be the laziest most underachieving dude to use black lock keys.
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You can't use keys and have a salary job, you can't use keys and get sex you just gotta be the laziest dude
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I think they should make it to where keys will only open hatch with a certain addon for purple or higher. I've had a few 4ks robbed from me because I was being a nice killer, not tunneling nor camping. Everyone was on death hook, then one lucky person finds a purple key from hatch and everyone escapes. It's a reason I don't really like red ranks. Secondly, maybe just not let purple or pink keys be obtainable from boxes
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It’s just this forum. Lots of preteen asshats who think raging over a game is cool. Like you’re a badass sitting behind a computer screen or console lol. I don’t take any changes seriously and as things change, I adapt. I mean, it’s a game at end of day.
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They should only be obtainable via bloodeweb like mori's, keys are merely additional handholding.
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I feel like they really should be. Though to be honest, they should have keys corresponding to what color moris we have. Yellow, Green and Pink. Unless they give killers a purple Mori where we can kill 2 survivors by hand after they're unhooked. But honestly, I just save my mori's for if I have a daily. Or just use devour hope
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For the same reason they gutted Doc. Because the survivors demanded it. The dev team, moderators, and community managers will lie to you and say that they aren't survivor biased, but their patch history quite literally refutes that.
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I'm surprised and don't quite understand why they'd nerf Ruin, yet leave things such as Ebony Mori, Iridescent hatchets, or even allowing the stacking of ultra rare add-ons / offerings into the game. That's far more unfun in the game than simply dealing with Ruin for a newbie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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