Is The Demogorgon in a good spot?
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And here we have the issue... just like oni demogorgon is insanely unpopular and underrated.
Oni and Demogorgon are both really good designed and well performing killers. For some reason ppl are just to lazy (I guess?) to learn the new mechanics of new killers and tempt to stick to the old killers that they already can play.
I honestly NEVER EVER saw a good demorgon or oni, I always see low leved killers that just do their daily or sometimes a P3 version but that just plays decently but dont know about the anhanced mechanics or tricks. Both of these killers are great just spend more time in those killers... you cant learn them in 1-2 games and thats it. Just like nurse or spirit you have to spend hundreds of hours to learn und understand their own unique gameplay.
Edit: Every person learns differently but I feel the average learn curve is hundreds of hours. I personally learned spirit and nurse in less then 50 hours but its obviously just my own learn performence.
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Nurse for sure but Spirit? Almost anyone can learn spirit really quick, it's not hard. So of course you learned them in under 50 hours, most people do. With a killer like spirit you just have to know things, that's easy you can watch a video and understand that, killers like nurse or demo and probably oni are different, because you can watch a video and understand but doing all those things in practice is harder and you need to attempt them over and over and over again until you can make them work.
Demo and Oni I also agree, but when I play survivor and I get an Oni I just assume it's a free win, it usually is. I haven't tried to learn oni so I can't say if they are just hard to learn or OP but yeah it's noticeable. Even Demo sometimes they do half decent but Oni is usually a cakewalk.
I've tried, they don't want to hear it for some reason. There are actually suggestions in feedback on all the issues I've mentioned from Demo players, all shrugged off. It also doesn't help that because of his low popularity it's hard to gain any traction in discussions about him, or any support from the community about anything surrounding him.
Then you have the people who like, don't even play as him trying to shout over the people who actually know what he needs, going LOL JUST BUFF SHRED IT SO BAD and dragging topics down with them.
We could try this though:
@Peanits do you think you could mention people's valid suggestions to the rest of the team? They are QoL things people have been asking for with him for a while now. We've tried the feedback thread, making topics, and every way to get this information across but we keep getting passed over for some reason. If you could just acknowledge that these things have been understood and will at least be looked at sometime after current larger issues are dealt with- that's all any of us Demo mains would ask for.
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Hm I am a spirit main and I never saw a good spirit in my life and I play alot of survivor aswell. Maybe you seem it different with "learning" but I mean with that mastering a killer, the most spirits I and my friends face are easily jukeble and fall for the most commun mindgames.
When I once played a kyf with 4 friends they got completly demolished by me and they all where survivors mains with over 3k hours. I didnt use silent spirit (before patch) or wakizachi, just the regular green addons.
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Complete mastery of any killer takes a significant amount of time, that is a big difference versus just learning one.
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Yeah and thats what I meant^^ Obviously it is not hard to learn the shred of demo and most of the ppl understands it fast. But there are only a handfull of demogorgons that knows that if you shred from a higher position that you get a massive boost and increase your jump range significant. I never saw a demogorgon able to shred around jungle gyms or t walls, no one trys that and just sticks with otzdarvas "amazing" m1 save the best for the last build and honestly that build isn't that good but ppl still thinks that^^. I am not calling out that ppl are bad playing this but it is just not that powerfull as you may think.
Edit: I still have to admit that something is missing to demogorgon, but I honestly dont know what. His teleport is abit too slow and the shred is almost perfect, only some pallet hitboxes sucks (example: At haddonfields those loops with those duoble benches. You must stand almost infront of the pallet to destroy it with the shred, otherwise you hit a invisible wall).
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To be fair Save the best is still pretty strong on Demo if you can land your shreds on command, stronger on him than most killers anyways.
Also I use that to gain distance all the time, but even fewer know the exact hitbox location in order to hit people from an elevated platform, there is a trick to be able to hit them with it. It took me a while to get that down pat.
I still don't feel I have mastered Demo, though I am close. I am not efficient enough with my portals yet, but I have his shred down pat, his chases down, and his mechanics, builds, understanding all down about as well as I can though.
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I never see save the best for the last as a big threat honestly^^ Its for my opinion way to overrated, its only a threat in the endgame where no pallets are but you can also use other perks to have the same effect such as burtal, spirit fury etc.
I wish there would be more ppl like you and me playing those killers, I personally didnt play demo that much because I am still busy leveling other killers first before I go to him and oni. But when I am there I will defenatly spend some hundreds of hours to master them both. They look both pretty cool and have unique and fun abilitys and gameplay.
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Thing about save the best is that it always gives you more time to get back on them, those perks are better but only buy time when they are at a pallet. When you have strong zoning and people are feeding you so many stacks it can be very good. With things like infectious fright is usually when I run it, you can brutalize a team that is close so quickly.
It's a all a gamble sure, that is why I don't always run it, but so is ruin and ruin is still very strong.
I've gotten to a point though I land shred so much I am using STBFL a lot less because of it, since the distance I gain from a shred is usually about the same as I would get from STBFL.
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I agree. His shred ability is almost entirely useless, and his portals take too much time to set up and use to justify what little advantage they give.
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I think he's extremely mediocre. Way too much easy counterplay relative to what you get out of his powers. I just don't think he's threatening to good, objective-efficient survivors in any way. The Shred is extremely linear. You get more hits off of fakes. He's not that efficient in chases relative to other killers. Yes, his Shred can go through pallets, but chances are you're just going to do the same thing again at the adjacent tile, rinse and repeat. Do that 5 or 6 times and 3 gens are done. At that point the pallet count doesn't matter when you don't have enough hook states accumulated. The goal is never a 2k. I'd wager that's just not satisfying for most killer players. The portals are typically one time use, and he makes a map-wide announcement when he's using them, so you're only catching survivors off-guard that simultaneously wear ear plugs and don't move the camera. The closing time on the portals is so short that the stars really have to align to catch people in the act and actually make it there to defend them. So, uh, yeah, I guess that's how I really feel about Demogorgon. Sure, he can be fun to use. But winning games is fun. And if I'm actually trying to win games at red ranks, why would I consistently take Demogorgon?
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