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Do you think there are some unbeatable killer builds?
Do you think there exists unbeatable killer builds? Like something so dominating if played perfectly no one can ever escape?
Let's ignore Memento Mori and map offerings. Focus just on killer's with specific perks and add-ons.
EDIT: Let's also disregard keys because I believe they can supersede anything the killer has except mori.
Do you think there are some unbeatable killer builds? 77 votes
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I'm not sure if an unbeatable killer build exists.
Not sure about unbeatable builds. But I'm pretty sure about nearly unbeatable Killer mains. Players who know this game like they know their hobbies. Builds only help to make them even harder, but even without them, they can still kick Survivor butts.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
It's not the build if it's unbeatable, it's the player. And even then "unbeatable" is very exagerate.
I would love to read examples from the people who voted Yes.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
No if you think a build makes a killer unbeatable your bad
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I'm not sure if an unbeatable killer build exists.
There's a couple of builds that I'm not too sure about since A. I rarely play Killer B. Don't have the necessary perks to use C. God I'm the worst killer ever!
The main one I have in question is Plague + Thanatophobia so if someone can tell me how that works out I'll be grateful.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
But this is up to the Player. If you give the same Killer and Build (including Perks and Add Ons) to a less experienced Killer Player, he will most likely not win every time.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
That is not an build, is an player
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Since the rework of prayer beads and the removal of gen grabber spirit there are currently no unbeatable builds. Even forever freddy wasn't unbeatable, just annoying.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
So let me rework what you typed.
"Optimal killer players with optimal builds will virtually always win versus sub optimal survivors"
1: "Virtually every time" means not always, thus not unbeatable
2: If you have optimal survivors with optimal build going against a sub optimal killer they too would win "virtually every time".
I'm not trying to tear you down just pointing out the fault in your comment.
If you took optimal killers and optimal survivors then the match becomes a toss up of plays/mistakes/game mechanics. This is not unbeatable in either way for any side.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
The player obviously matters, but it’s hard to imagine a strong Huntress player losing with iridescent hatchets. Maybe it’s happened, I don’t know as whenever I’ve watched they refuse to use them....but does anyone actually think killers like Scott or Umbra would ever lose using them? Seems unbeatable to me. This would be the only thing I can think of.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
No we are removing skill from the equation by assuming the killer plays perfectly. That means they would automatically be at the highest skill possible in the game and almost never make a mistake.
Someone mentioned Huntress with Iri Head/Belt and that's pretty much what I was thinking. Played perfectly (as in never missing a hatchet) this build is unbeatable. Even if you miss some hatchets, this build is unbeatable. It's only once you start missing a lot of hatchets that it becomes beatable.
This is all hypothetical. However there was a build that I felt was truly unbeatable.
Old Freddy, with old Dying Light, old Ruin, Haunted Ground, PWYF, old Class Photo, and old Z Block. I literally had 0 survivors ever escape this build, I ran it maybe 30 times or so since I first discovered it. The only catch was it required an ivory/ebony mori to work, which is why I'm not sure if I would consider it unbeatable since it uses a mori (which can potentially make any killer build unbeatable). The idea was that you use Class Photo to find the obsession, then use PWYF and Haunted to catch them quickly. Once they get hooked the game is over. If they sit on the hook, you walk around and sleep survivors with Class Photo which greatly slows them down (along with Ruin). If they make the save, you tunnel the obsession and mori them. At this point you will repair gens at 80/(0.75*0.5) = 213.3s, or 3 and a half minutes! With 3 survivors left it would be IMPOSSIBLE to finish a gen. Two survivor would take 80/(2*(0.75*0.5*0.9)) = 118.5s, almost 2 minutes. Combined with the fact Freddy will ALWAYS be able to find you, there is no way to escape this build. Your only hop is that Freddy kills the other 2 and gives you a chance at hatch, but since he gets a free deerstalker he can easily slug for the 4k.
However a key can beat this build. That's the only way honestly, even if the Freddy plays perfectly.
So considering the key and the mori, this build is not exactly unbeatable. But it is, IMO, the closest to a true unbeatable build as you can get. Again no one ever escaped when I ran this build. One group got down to 1 gen, but that was because I messed up a bunch (ie. did not play perfectly).
I have discovered another build for another killer I think might be unbeatable. So far I've played maybe 10 games? 9 games were 4k & 4/5 gens (this is AFTER Ruin update). Red ranks BTW, and I dominated them like they were all rank 20's. It was THAT easy. Only one group managed to get to the gates, and that's because they got Ormond and I got enchanted by this Dwelf that did a really amazing job of not getting caught for about 2 minutes. However I could have stop them if I just stopped chasing the Dwelf, but guys I REALLY needed to catch him. LOL. Still I got a 3k and they didn't get the doors open. The last one took hatch, mainly because I gave it to her since they did so well I felt someone earned it (gave it to her as in just killed Steve and Dwelf so the hatch would open, I could have slugged for the 4k though).
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
I’ve escaped both of those a lot
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I'm not sure if an unbeatable killer build exists.
Its up to the killer really. But there are unbeatable players with unbeatable builds. Iri head Zubat wins 100%
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
I think if the survivors are god tier then it wouldn’t be unbeatable.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
I mean... go for Thrill of the Hunt, NOED, Rancor and Blood Warden with a high tier killer, and ultra rare add-ons, and if no one leaves after the first noed down, well, the end is near
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
but id say it's more about who plays than about what they play
got a iri head noed huntress that chased me for 4 gens and never landed a hatchet on me
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Not even remotely.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
There's always the hatch... So I guess not.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Btw, It's hard to define "unbeatable" because no one is sure what to consider a win in this game.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
I define it in the OP as escaping the build. I would say something is unbeatable if more than 99% of survivors die to it. That less than 1% would account for flukes, like maybe a survivor DC's to give hatch or they find a key randomly in a chest. But in terms of this thread, it's a build that you can't escape from if it were played perfectly.
Iri Head is an example of what could be an unbeatable build. While yes, you can escape this (I have), if the person playing killer is good enough it's basically impossible to escape. Like imagine Umbra or @ScottJund using this add-on as Huntress. No one would escape them because they don't miss much if at all.
We have to assume that the player is at the highest possible skill level for that particular killer. This is all theoretical. The old Freddy build I mention above had 0 survivors escape ever. Prior to "finalizing" the build, I had exactly 3 from a 4 man SWF escape, but the build wasn't in what I would consider an "unbeatable" state then so I don't really count it (I was just using Dying Light with a mori on old Freddy). But even in an unbeatable state, if I made a mistake I could lose with that build.
Old omega blink Nurse is another example of something that is unbeatable. If played perfectly there is literally 0 chance for escape outside of pure luck with keys/hatch.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
ahhh, no
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
A team at the level of Marth's Depip Squad would put on their knees even Scott's or Umbra's Iri Head Huntress, especially if you exclude offerings. Like yeah, on a map like Blood Lodge they could win, but on any big map the survivors would win just by crushing gens and on a map like Fractured Cowshed, they could easily turn even the best Huntress players into powerless 110% speed killers. Not to mention Object of Obsession, which completely and utterly destroy Huntress.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
Strong player using strong addon like Iridescent Head is never beatable, same for infinite Freddy.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Idk what you're trying to go for here. You've been given clear and concise answers that there are NO unbeatable builds due to XYZ but then you want to disregard those reasons. IF we disregarded anything and everything that could possibly hinder a killer, than yeah, every build would be an unbeatable build because there would be absolutely nothing at all from a killer getting 4k 100% of the time.
Reasons why unbeatable builds don't exists:
- The type of Map. Every map makes both killer and survivors strategize differently in an effort to win. A strategy that would work in Lery's Asylum wouldn't work in Haddonfield.
- The type of Killer. Every killer has a unique and specific power that both complement perks and are useless or would hinder their abilities. Having Coulrophobia and Thana would make sense for Oni but wouldn't make sense for Billy.
- Player's skill and items on both sides. Don't even need to elaborate on this.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
You not suppose to 4k on survivor sided maps but right now i think its possbile with the right killers and builds .
P.S. Unbeatable killer or survivors builds do not exist because if you know what you dealing with its not impossible to beat it no matter how strong it is.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Sorry, but your response doesn't really makes sense to me.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
I don't think I've ever lost an Iridescent Head game in my entire time playing DBD. Couple that with a Mori and I'm pretty sure there's no team I'd lose to except on like, Lery's / Hawkins, etc.
Edit: need to make this clear I'm talking about how absurdly brokenly strong Iridescent Head and Moris are, not how big a wee wee I have.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
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But yea this pretty much sums up my point in this thread. With the right build for a strong player, there is no escape.
"Clear and concise" is not the words I'd use to describe it.
I disregard keys and mori's because they, by themselves, are inherently overpowered. Map offerings are also disregarded because while a killer build may be unbeatable on a specific map (eg. Lery's) that doesn't mean it will be unbeatable on every map. If survivors also offer a map then you lost before the game started. SM Myers is a good example of what I'm talking about. While certainly not unbeatable, the build really only works on Lery's, maybe Hawkins, and maybe Game. Literally the worst build to run on ever other map.
The point is the "unbeatable"-ness should come from the player's skill, the killer of choice, and the build they decide to use. No other factors. Mori and keys arbitrarily swing things in different directions to different degrees. Again they are outliers.
I never said "disregard everything that hurts killer" just keys because keys are random since you can find them in a chest, and there is currently no way to remove a key from play. If a survivor brings a key, without a WW or ring, then other survivors can pick it up if they die. Franklin's doesn't even work to stop keys except maybe if you are chasing the survivor as they run to the hatch.
You should really read more clearly what I'm asking.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
Yes of course. A perfect Nurse or Spirit with the best addons. Perks wont matter that much so it is not about the build.
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No, unbeatable killer builds do not exist.
Survive with Friends exist, toolboxes are still strong, and Rotton Fields is a thing. No matter how good a player is, it would be nearly impossible to always 4K under these scenarios, regardless of build.
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Yes, unbeatable killer builds exist.
4k 4 gens on Rotten Fields. No I didn't camp or tunnel anyone. Yes these were strong survivors. Thing was I was catching them so fast and making them scramble so much that they barely had a chance to do gens. This is what I'm talking about with OP builds. The add-ons I used here, Mother Daughter Ring and Yakuyoke Amulet, is INSANELY powerful. Shadowborn and Stridor make it impossible to hide from me. Add in Ruin/Surv and my map pressure is ridiculously good. I wish I recorded this game because it was complete domination.
And this isn't a fluke. Using this exact same build I was able to 4k 4/5 gen about 10 games (including Rotten Fields and Ormond). Only ONE survivor escaped and that's because I basically let them (didn't feel like slugging and looking for them so I just killed the guy and let them hatch). Only ONE game did they get to gates and that's because I was screwing around with a Dwelf and let them do gens basically. Had I ignored the Dwelf's memes they would have barely got 2 gens done.
If a good Spirit runs this build and actually sweats for the W, I don't think you can beat them.
Also toolboxes are doo doo butter now after the nerfs. Good to counter Pop or maybe save yourself in a 3 gen, but they aren't even close to as strong as they were before.
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