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Really glad BHVR wants to have a “play with the devs” event
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yeah will be funny to see them go up against a 4 man swf with voice coms and commodius toolboxes and watch the game end in 3 minutes. Maybe THEN they'll be like "hmmm maybe not such a good job so far" lol.
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Since when a game developer equals best killer/survivor?
Dumbest thing I've seen today...
They are obviously not playing the game enough to be good at it, and developing the game doesn't make them better than someone who played it for lots of hours.16 -
@Grey87 said:
Since when a game developer equals best killer/survivor?
Dumbest thing I've seen today...
They are obviously not playing the game enough to be good at it, and developing the game doesn't make them better than someone who played it for lots of hours.It's only dumb if you're a Survivor main who uses crutches and likes having Survivor be ridiculously easy.
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll se
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I think they’ll see how both sides are unbalanced and you either typically get a killer who massacres a group of four survivors without one generator done, and a group who burn through generators without being spotted.
Playing both, I feel either side has too much power in certain circumstances, it truly it’s the way certain people choose to play that ruins parts of the game.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
It's only dumb if you're a Survivor main who uses crutches and likes having Survivor be ridiculously easy.Your a survivor main if you think the devs aren't the best players in their own game.
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Says the Typical build DrSnakeSound222 said:@Grey87 said:
Since when a game developer equals best killer/survivor?
Dumbest thing I've seen today...
They are obviously not playing the game enough to be good at it, and developing the game doesn't make them better than someone who played it for lots of hours.It's only dumb if you're a Survivor main who uses crutches and likes having Survivor be ridiculously easy.
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll se
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@SnakeSound222 said:
Hopefully they’ll finally be able to see just how hard Killers have had it and how ridiculously easy Survivor is. Maybe we’ll finally start getting closer to a balanced game.The problem is that if they are inexperienced, they can buff wrong things. Like what?
When I played nurse for the first time, I think I was able to get 2-3 hits. I mean I didn't know anything about game at that time I accept it but again Nurse sucked for me. I thought she need buffs like a natural 3rd blink, which she had in the past btw. I was getting 3-4k with leatherface and freddy in almost everymatch though.
So they will not judge their game by how they play it. Playing their own game is not going to change anything because even if they suck, they will think that they were just bad and that's why they lost the match.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Says the Typical build DrLol you're just another Survivor main who doesn't like it when the game gets harder. Your "arguments" have no value here.
@Mc_Harty said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
It's only dumb if you're a Survivor main who uses crutches and likes having Survivor be ridiculously easy.Your a survivor main if you think the devs aren't the best players in their own game.
I never said that devs were the best players in the game.
@WhateverIGuess said:
I honestly don't think it's a good idea, seeing how so many people have like next level hatred towards them, just because they got rekt in a video game.-Moris every game
-Purple flashlights every game
-Sandbagging
-Revealing their position
-Keeping them hostage
...among other stuff.Honestly I don't think that many people hate the devs that much. Sure some people do, but not enough to make a big difference. If the devs are playing Killer, then I'm pretty sure the only way for someone to figure out that they're up against a dev is to stream snipe (and I think all streams have some sort of delay), unless PC has a way to view the Killer's identity pre-game.
@Delfador said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
Hopefully they’ll finally be able to see just how hard Killers have had it and how ridiculously easy Survivor is. Maybe we’ll finally start getting closer to a balanced game.The problem is that if they are inexperienced, they can buff wrong things. Like what?
When I played nurse for the first time, I think I was able to get 2-3 hits. I mean I didn't know anything about game at that time I accept it but again Nurse sucked for me. I thought she need buffs like a natural 3rd blink, which she had in the past btw. I was getting 3-4k with leatherface and freddy in almost everymatch though.
So they will not judge their game by how they play it. Playing their own game is not going to change anything because even if they suck, they will think that they were just bad and that's why they lost the match.
Except it's not about experience. The devs don't seem to believe that Killers have a really hard time against Survivors. Do you remember what it took for the devs to finally remove instablind? McCote went against at least two instablind flashlights at the Korean event. They announced the flashlight nerf and removal of quicker blind speeds shortly after that event. It wasn't because of skill. It was because they finally realized just how broken instablinds were and that they had no reliable counter aside getting lucky. Looking at walls couldn't save you when you can be blinded instantly at any time. With this new event that they want to do, I'm hoping they'll start seeing the other major problems that Killers have such as totem placements and gen completion speed and fixing them ASAP. They know about bad totem placements and games ending in less than five minutes, but they really haven't tried to do much with them. If McCote didn't go up against those instablinds in Korea, then they might have never gotten removed.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll seRight, all they do is buff pallets, buff flashlight saves, nerf killers, and create more and more infinites. Killers NEVER get any attention from the devs at all! Ever!!
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@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll seRight, all they do is buff pallets, buff flashlight saves, nerf killers, and create more and more infinites. Killers NEVER get any attention from the devs at all! Ever!!
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Lol that one patch doesn't really mean anything thanks to the upcoming Chapter 9 patch. We thought they were going in the right direction, but they weren't and went back to their old ways.
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I want to play with Mathhew and be like YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB in a non malice way then have him wink at me.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll seRight, all they do is buff pallets, buff flashlight saves, nerf killers, and create more and more infinites. Killers NEVER get any attention from the devs at all! Ever!!
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Lol that one patch doesn't really mean anything thanks to the upcoming Chapter 9 patch. We thought they were going in the right direction, but they weren't and went back to their old ways.
Lmao they did nothing yet and you're pre-whining. Very good. Guess you haven't been watching dev streams for the last half year talking about aaaaall the balance changes they've considered.
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I hope the developers play survivor and get downed 8 seconds into a match by Hillbilly and facecamped to death.
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I heard a conspiracy theory and it goes like this *ahem* the servers go down 2 days before their play with the devs day. Coincidence?
And yes some could say oh well so many people wanted to play the event! Which they most likely knew and could’ve prevented but hey it’s just a theory out there0 -
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll seRight, all they do is buff pallets, buff flashlight saves, nerf killers, and create more and more infinites. Killers NEVER get any attention from the devs at all! Ever!!
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Lol that one patch doesn't really mean anything thanks to the upcoming Chapter 9 patch. We thought they were going in the right direction, but they weren't and went back to their old ways.
Lmao they did nothing yet and you're pre-whining. Very good. Guess you haven't been watching dev streams for the last half year talking about aaaaall the balance changes they've considered.
So I'm not allowed to form any opinion until the PTB? Wow.
@Eninya said:
I hope the developers play survivor and get downed 8 seconds into a match by Hillbilly and facecamped to death.Nah that's a little too much. Maybe they'll get downed in the first 30-60 seconds if they get found first.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
So I'm not allowed to form any opinion until the PTB? Wow.I can't point out that you're mischaracterizing the devs as ignorant to killer's woes when they've spent the last 6 months pulling their hair out on balancing in killer's favor? Wow.
Run of the mill "wah wah, they had one stream that wasn't pandering to killers, the devs are survivor favored" thread.
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@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
So I'm not allowed to form any opinion until the PTB? Wow.I can't point out that you're mischaracterizing the devs as ignorant to killer's woes when they've spent the last 6 months pulling their hair out on balancing in killer's favor? Wow.
Run of the mill "wah wah, survivors MIGHT get buffed, end of the world" thread.No they haven't lol. They just started with patch 2.0.0.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
So I'm not allowed to form any opinion until the PTB? Wow.I can't point out that you're mischaracterizing the devs as ignorant to killer's woes when they've spent the last 6 months pulling their hair out on balancing in killer's favor? Wow.
Run of the mill "wah wah, survivors MIGHT get buffed, end of the world" thread.No they haven't lol. They just started with patch 2.0.0.
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
But hey, that doesn't fit your narrative of Rank 20 survivor main devs.
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@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
So I'm not allowed to form any opinion until the PTB? Wow.I can't point out that you're mischaracterizing the devs as ignorant to killer's woes when they've spent the last 6 months pulling their hair out on balancing in killer's favor? Wow.
Run of the mill "wah wah, survivors MIGHT get buffed, end of the world" thread.No they haven't lol. They just started with patch 2.0.0.
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
Except they gave in to the whining Survivors and changed the hatch to where it still makes escaping too easy as the last Survivor and it took them way too long to implement the pallet fixes (they should've been implemented over a year ago).
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I wonder what rank they'll play.
During a dev stream they played on rank 20 with people that never played before.
So I expect something like that.
I wish they played more often against the community. But I fear that the community plays toxic instead of pointing out the flaws in their game.0 -
@SnakeSound222 said:
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
Except they gave in to the whining Survivors and changed the hatch to where it still makes escaping too easy as the last Survivor and it took them way too long to implement the pallet fixes (they should've been implemented over a year ago).
"Gave in to whining survivors". Of course, because player feedback and objective PTB game statistics aren't good enough reasons to consider.
Maybe it's less about Devs not listening, and more about your need for every change to go your way.
@Tsulan said:
I wonder what rank they'll play.
During a dev stream they played on rank 20 with people that never played before.
So I expect something like that.I wish they played more often against the community. But I fear that the community plays toxic instead of pointing out the flaws in their game.
A lot of game developers use player testers and focus groups made of players for this purpose.
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So does bhvr. Haven't you seen that girl that plays on rank 20?Visionmaker said:@SnakeSound222 said:
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
Except they gave in to the whining Survivors and changed the hatch to where it still makes escaping too easy as the last Survivor and it took them way too long to implement the pallet fixes (they should've been implemented over a year ago).
"Gave in to whining survivors". Of course, because player feedback and objective PTB game statistics aren't good enough reasons to consider.
Maybe it's less about Devs not listening, and more about your need for every change to go your way.
@Tsulan said:
I wonder what rank they'll play.
During a dev stream they played on rank 20 with people that never played before.
So I expect something like that.I wish they played more often against the community. But I fear that the community plays toxic instead of pointing out the flaws in their game.
A lot of game developers use player testers and focus groups made of players for this purpose.
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savageTsulan said:
So does bhvr. Haven't you seen that girl that plays on rank 20?Visionmaker said:@SnakeSound222 said:
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
Except they gave in to the whining Survivors and changed the hatch to where it still makes escaping too easy as the last Survivor and it took them way too long to implement the pallet fixes (they should've been implemented over a year ago).
"Gave in to whining survivors". Of course, because player feedback and objective PTB game statistics aren't good enough reasons to consider.
Maybe it's less about Devs not listening, and more about your need for every change to go your way.
@Tsulan said:
I wonder what rank they'll play.
During a dev stream they played on rank 20 with people that never played before.
So I expect something like that.I wish they played more often against the community. But I fear that the community plays toxic instead of pointing out the flaws in their game.
A lot of game developers use player testers and focus groups made of players for this purpose.
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@Tsulan said:
So does bhvr. Haven't you seen that girl that plays on rank 20?Ha ha. If she was a player tester, her feedback wouldn't be aired out on twitter.
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@Tsulan said:
I wonder what rank they'll play.
During a dev stream they played on rank 20 with people that never played before.
So I expect something like that.I wish they played more often against the community. But I fear that the community plays toxic instead of pointing out the flaws in their game.
Maybe not_queen will play on her account or they'll do KYF. After all, I'm pretty sure that most of the players that want to play with the devs are past rank 15. If they use a rank 20 account, then they'll have to keeping pipping as both sides up to rank 15 in order to play with a good amount of people, which might take up the entire duration of the event.
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
The hatch changes and pallet changes were already being discussed since Feb-March. They were already considering killer woes LONG before patch 2.0.0.
Except they gave in to the whining Survivors and changed the hatch to where it still makes escaping too easy as the last Survivor and it took them way too long to implement the pallet fixes (they should've been implemented over a year ago).
"Gave in to whining survivors". Of course, because player feedback and objective PTB game statistics aren't good enough reasons to consider.
Maybe it's less about Devs not listening, and more about your need for every change to go your way.
Except those Survivors wanted the hatch standoff back. I know I'm not the only person who wanted the original hatch change to stay, and if I needed every change to go my way, I would've complained about a lot more things than I have been.
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Realistically, they're going to win some, they're going to lose some, someone's going to play in a really toxic way, and when they lose they're going to take it like champs and move on to the next game (etc. etc., see you next week, bye!). They ain't going to sit there and blame X, Y, and Z for losing. I think they all know that there's people out there that are better than them. There's a lot of people out there with hundreds or thousands of hours. If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
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Okay Shane Dawson XDMr_Jay_Stark said:I heard a conspiracy theory and it goes like this *ahem* the servers go down 2 days before their play with the devs day. Coincidence?
And yes some could say oh well so many people wanted to play the event! Which they most likely knew and could’ve prevented but hey it’s just a theory out there2 -
Peanits said:
Realistically, they're going to win some, they're going to lose some, someone's going to play in a really toxic way, and when they lose they're going to take it like champs and move on to the next game (etc. etc., see you next week, bye!). They ain't going to sit there and blame X, Y, and Z for losing. I think they all know that there's people out there that are better than them. There's a lot of people out there with hundreds or thousands of hours. If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
this kyf match aside, but in my opinion, as people who run a game with that many players, it kind of behooves them, at least one of them, to be “good” at their game, or to create and accept the advice of a small group of very experienced players (not streamers) when making large gameplay changes.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
I never said that devs were the best players in the game.You called someone a survivor main simply because they don't think that devs are the best players in their own game.
At least be consistent when arguing with people mate.
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It will probably be the devs playing swf against another low rank player.SnakeSound222 said:Hopefully they’ll finally be able to see just how hard Killers have had it and how ridiculously easy Survivor is. Maybe we’ll finally start getting closer to a balanced game.
Cote won't play killer at such an event anymore, that's gfor sure^^0 -
I don't think the devs are the 'best players'. Nor do i think the devs think they are the 'best players'. Nor do i think they balance the game around their own shortcomings. I'm not sure exactly what they balance around though. I doubt a 'play with devs' event would trigger any changes in the game whatsoever. McLean is a rank 18 killer. The others are in that category as well. Except for Not Queen, who tends to be purple/red rank when i see her. While i do believe they want a somewhat 'balanced' game, i can't help but think they want to keep the 4 survivors happy as hell. See? They only need one killer. But four happy ppl automatically puts their 'satisfaction rating' over the top regardless of 'how miserable' the killer is.
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What the developers need to do is have whatever account they are playing automatically set to Rank 1 and they can’t go lower. Doing just regular matches. Then they can experience the bullshit first hand.
Then they can see just how broken Gen Rush meta is.0 -
But hey thoose steam reviews sure changed the devs opinions in regards of killers
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Yeah, they probably can't afford to have that happen again.Peanits said:If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
https://youtu.be/R98e-Y4Lu8w
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NQ is pretty good at the game, and for all we know there is an exclusive group of players giving feedback and we're just not invited.Lowbei said:Peanits said:Realistically, they're going to win some, they're going to lose some, someone's going to play in a really toxic way, and when they lose they're going to take it like champs and move on to the next game (etc. etc., see you next week, bye!). They ain't going to sit there and blame X, Y, and Z for losing. I think they all know that there's people out there that are better than them. There's a lot of people out there with hundreds or thousands of hours. If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
this kyf match aside, but in my opinion, as people who run a game with that many players, it kind of behooves them, at least one of them, to be “good” at their game, or to create and accept the advice of a small group of very experienced players (not streamers) when making large gameplay changes.0 -
Should be fun to see them out there playing... gonna have to give them some "special attention"
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PREEEEEEEEEEEEE! Rofl!Visionmaker said:@SnakeSound222 said:
@Visionmaker said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
The devs don't seem to understand that Killers are weak, even though we have complaining for two years. When they try to play with their community and go up against halfway decent Survivors and have games end in less than five minutes because they got genrushed and looped for days, then they'll seRight, all they do is buff pallets, buff flashlight saves, nerf killers, and create more and more infinites. Killers NEVER get any attention from the devs at all! Ever!!
/s
Lol that one patch doesn't really mean anything thanks to the upcoming Chapter 9 patch. We thought they were going in the right direction, but they weren't and went back to their old ways.
Lmao they did nothing yet and you're pre-whining.
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I hope they get to see some expert loopers and a few double-windows so they will understand what everyone is conplaining about, though. I also hope they play against a few decent killers are realize how difficult it is to actually escape a chase with 5 second scratchmarks, bloodhound, etc.Peanits said:Realistically, they're going to win some, they're going to lose some, someone's going to play in a really toxic way, and when they lose they're going to take it like champs and move on to the next game (etc. etc., see you next week, bye!). They ain't going to sit there and blame X, Y, and Z for losing. I think they all know that there's people out there that are better than them. There's a lot of people out there with hundreds or thousands of hours. If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
My hope is that they see of these top issues and it gives them ideas about how to fix both looping amd stealth so that chases last 30-45 seconds the way they say they want them to, but survivors have more options to evade.0 -
I hope they play Leatherface, Freddy and Wraith so that they realise how terrible those killers are and then decide " Hey these killers are pretty weak, let's buff them ".
I mean this BTW i'm not trolling just in case it sounds like that.
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@IronWolf115 said:
I hope they play Leatherface, Freddy and Wraith so that they realise how terrible those killers are and then decide " Hey these killers are pretty weak, let's buff them ".I mean this BTW i'm not trolling just in case it sounds like that.
They already said they were buffing Freddy and Wraith. They already showed what they planned to do with Wraith.
Sounds like trolling b/c they've already acknowledged these concerns. It's in the Dev streams/q&as.
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I don't even know why they're doing this. Surely it will just result in trolling in one way or another.
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I don't know why people would think they would play a few matches and be all willing to make changes... or that they will see the light.
You don't expect the Devs to sit back in listen to 20 hour players other then to take some pointers on how to make the game enjoyable for starting players... but for in depth mechanic changes... the would lack the experience from the players point of view.
If anything, all you could hope for is.. One of the Devs who works on a certain aspect of the game going.. Hey i should change this little thing for QOL... But thats about it.
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I made no argument! Neither do I main a specific role. Oh and Please find me one comment of mine where I actually say anything about the changes making my game play harder, you won’t find any infact the complete opposite.SnakeSound222 said:@Paddy4583 said:
Says the Typical build DrLol you're just another Survivor main who doesn't like it when the game gets harder. Your "arguments" have no value here.
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Paddy4583 said:
I made no argument! Neither do I main a specific role. Oh and Please find me one comment of mine where I actually say anything about the changes making my game play harder, you won’t find any infact the complete opposite.SnakeSound222 said:@Paddy4583 said:
Says the Typical build DrLol you're just another Survivor main who doesn't like it when the game gets harder. Your "arguments" have no value here.
I'm so sick of this no position BS that is so obviously a false way to ingratiate yourself with both sides. Either you have an opinion on balance one way or the other.
Do you think killer side is in need of balance or not?
Do you think that survivor side is overpowered or not?
These are the daily questions posed on this forum in one way or another. They are the crux of every argument here. So what is your answer?0 -
But you know about the big announcement of the Wraith cube, yes? Where they promised a complete overhaul and delivered a QoL change with some nerfs to uncloaking.Visionmaker said:@IronWolf115 said:
I hope they play Leatherface, Freddy and Wraith so that they realise how terrible those killers are and then decide " Hey these killers are pretty weak, let's buff them ".I mean this BTW i'm not trolling just in case it sounds like that.
They already said they were buffing Freddy and Wraith. They already showed what they planned to do with Wraith.
Sounds like trolling b/c they've already acknowledged these concerns. It's in the Dev streams/q&as.
So I'd be a little more cautious on what they promise. We could get a big deception.2 -
im not gonna comment on not queens skill level, but if there IS some secret group of players helping, then i would like to challenge their experience levels if they were ok with the upcoming changes.Peanits said:
NQ is pretty good at the game, and for all we know there is an exclusive group of players giving feedback and we're just not invited.Lowbei said:Peanits said:Realistically, they're going to win some, they're going to lose some, someone's going to play in a really toxic way, and when they lose they're going to take it like champs and move on to the next game (etc. etc., see you next week, bye!). They ain't going to sit there and blame X, Y, and Z for losing. I think they all know that there's people out there that are better than them. There's a lot of people out there with hundreds or thousands of hours. If you're expecting an eye opening experience, you're going to be disappointed.
this kyf match aside, but in my opinion, as people who run a game with that many players, it kind of behooves them, at least one of them, to be “good” at their game, or to create and accept the advice of a small group of very experienced players (not streamers) when making large gameplay changes.
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@Visionmaker said:
@IronWolf115 said:
I hope they play Leatherface, Freddy and Wraith so that they realise how terrible those killers are and then decide " Hey these killers are pretty weak, let's buff them ".I mean this BTW i'm not trolling just in case it sounds like that.
They already said they were buffing Freddy and Wraith. They already showed what they planned to do with Wraith.
Sounds like trolling b/c they've already acknowledged these concerns. It's in the Dev streams/q&as.
Don't see how im trolling, it is a legitimate concern I have. Plus the Wraith buffs are mainly changes to his add-ons, Freddy we have not seen any footage of where they are at with him and they haven't even mentioned LF buffs at all.
What I am saying is that we SEE them play these killers so we at least know they have properly tried them out.
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Play with the Devs is just an opportunity to kick back and enjoy playing the game we are working on with the Community. This is not a competition nor it is a display of skills. Within the DEV team, as well as in the playerbase, we can see players with different skill levels.
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@not_Queen said:
Play with the Devs is just an opportunity to kick back and enjoy playing the game we are working on with the Community. This is not a competition nor it is a display of skills. Within the DEV team, as well as in the playerbase, we can see players with different skill levels.Hey Queen! I was just curious ( don't know if this is the place to ask but still ) will this only be on PC or will it be on consoles as well?
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