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Why do tunneling/camping killers expect me to not be toxic?
If a killer tunnels me or camps me i click my flashlight and tbag. then they message me calling me toxic. Im sorry but you ruin the experience for me so why shouldnt i do the same to you?
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Killers have to put up with 4 different people in every match, that’s 4 more times the chance that they have to face toxic survivors. Over time, one would expect that Killers would reach a breaking point and want to return the favor. I’m not saying it’s right, but it is to be expected.
When I started this game I mained survivor (still do) and wondered why people kept flicking their flashlight or why they kept crouching in front of killers. Wasn’t until I came to the forums to realize it was them being obnoxious.
Also, currently flashlights are bugged and instantly blind the killer. It is super irritating for a killer to get blinded with no effort on the survivors part. If I’m playing killer, I will remove the flashlight user asap.
Now that Ruin is gone, games are flying by where 2-3 gens get popped in 5 minutes or less. That makes the killers more stressed than ever and many feel that the faster someone is removed, the easier the rest of the match will be.
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If he camped/tunneled you, how do you have time to teabag and click your flashlight? Wouldn't you be mostly spending your time on the floor or on a hook?
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Also, from the appearance of your name, if that’s your game name, maybe killers assume you’re toxic right off the bat.
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Well i am using ds and dh plus most red ranks use bt and i can run the killer for a while
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Nah my game name is just a normal name so its not cause of that
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You can click your flashlight and tea bag all you want, it won't bother me :)
If the gates are up, I need to get someone out of the game or I will lose it entirely, etc... I will camp/tunnel, if you can not be toxic in the post game chat about it then honestly I would get along fine with you.
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I always find it really amusing when someone is toxic and then immediately gets upset at you when you're toxic back to them. It cracks me up and blows my mind.
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Idk, why do teabagging and flashlight clicking survivors the run to the best loops in the game expect me not to be toxic back?
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No one is complaining about being toxic to someone who is toxic, it's being toxic in general with no reasoning, even to fair killers, which there are plenty of. It's being toxic in end-game chat.
You know, I often find people will say stuff like "Why wouldn't I tbag/click at a toxic killer" as a justification for them simply doing that all of the time. Ironically, as someone who always played fair, the people who tried to be toxic were the people who were the quickest to disconnect, probably because they figured they were "too good" to get mindgamed or something.
I never really cared if someone teabagged because I'm not 5 years old. I wasn't more likely to tunnel them, I wasn't more likely to get angry - I just thought they were morons. Same reason I don't care if a killer camps or tunnels me, it's just part of the game and I move on. You guys remind me of 15 year old me getting ridiculously angry someone killed and teabagged me in Halo, and now I just laugh at the thought of it because I'm an adult.
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How is running to best loop toxic?
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how is tunnel and camp toxic?
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Its best when they camp so you tbag at the end, then they call you toxic, you mention their camping and their excuse is “i camped because you tbagged” lmao YOU CAMPED 5 MINUTES BEFORE I TBAGGED!!!!”
Some of them have a real persecution complex
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Tunneling and camping theres nothing even the best survivor can do if you face camp but even the best loops (which i do agree need to be nerfed a bit) can be counterd. For example the iron works infinite can be countered by bamboozle,spirit,nurse,billy,wraith,clown,freddy,trapper,hag and huntress
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What are you talking about. I meant whats toxic about camp or tunnel and not what possible counters are :D
Btw:
camp - do gens, use BT, dont go alone for the unhook, bait a hit, etc.
tunnel - bodyblock the killer, DS, BT, etc
Dude there are so many counters to this stuff :D its just that some players like to cry about it and call it uncounterable
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How do i counter a killer standing right infront of the hook when im not in a swf? Also im not crying about it really dont care if a killer camps/tunnels me but if they do i will be toxic too. Its toxic becasue it completely ruins that survivors experience unless there in a swf and they just have to stay on the hook till they die and if they dc killers call them toxic
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The killer expects you to be toxic so they choose to tunnel and camp?
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I'll never understand how anyone can see t-bagging, flashlight clicking, or emoting as toxic. It only servers to waste the survivor's time so the killer can catch up faster. To each his own I guess.
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It's about the intent. They're behaviors meant to rile the killer up, whether they do or don't is down to the player behind the screen but the intent is there.
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Fair, but just don't let it get to you. See it as them willingly giving you an advantage.
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I still don't get half the comments about tunneling. I know I get blamed for it when the unhooked survivor literally runs right by me. Just seems like terms flung around to justify poor play.
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Dont unhook someone who gets face camped mate. Do gens, that shouldnt be a problem.
Toxicity is the intention behind it, not using game mechanics.
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If a survivor clicky clicks you because he want attention to save a team mate its not toxic, if he does it to provocate and bully you without any reason it is. Same for tunnel. If you tunnel because you want to ruin that survivors fun it is toxic, if you do it for the kill to shift the momentum it is not. If you facecamp to secure a kill its a whole different story than facecamping out of bad will.
If you dc you are nothing but a spoiled brat no matter the reason. All you do is assuming toxicity and play like that yourself. I dont wanna know how many killers fun you ruined, but thats nothing you would think about. What a role model. Keep playing like that but dont think you will get any sympathy.
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Facecamping is fine in the endgame or if 3 gens pop in 2 minutes but most killers will start nodding and hitting you over and over while your on hook which is unnecessary and thats when i consider it toxic. Btw im not toxic most of the time if a killer was a baby i let them kill me. But facecamping for no reason with 5 gens left is not a good strategy and it's clear there just doing it to destroy that survivors fun.
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Why do teabagging, flashlight spamming, bitching survivors expect killers not to be toxic
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Yeah dude, no you're just toxic. Fix your attitude, and your manners.
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I get alot of those insults. I saw once a spirit with noed tunneling from the first hook a survivor off and then complains about me and the other 2 teabagging her at the gate.
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Ja, you see there are such situations on both sides. I totally understand you. But its not always obvious. I once facecamped right off the bat when a player did a last second switch. Thats toxic for me because I get no choice to adapt to it. And I get spammed how toxic I am... same thing with the "hook tech" exploit. Ofc there are players that only want to ruin other peoples' fun but thats just how online games are. The question is if you want to fight it the same way.
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If someone is toxic they deserve toxicity in return killer or survivor both
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But i dont teabag/flashlight click or run infinites unless the killer camps for no reason. So am i supposed to let the killer enjoy his game while hes ruining ours?
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Let's be honest, you're going to be toxic regardless of what the killer is doing based on your warped perception of what tunneling/camping is. You're as see through as they come
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if a killer has a reason to camp/tunnel such as 3 gens done in 3 minutes then its fine and i rarely ever am actually toxic i almost never use flashlight/toolboxes or keys i mostly use my medkits and i only teabag if the killer is seriously toxic like a red rank bubba facecamping a rank 12 baby meg at the beginning of the game. What makes you think i have a warped perception of what tunneling/camping is. Mu goal every game i enter is to make sure everyone has fun so i dont run infinites and i do totems to give killers a chance. I think i just worded my post like a entitled survivor main but i actually play both sides
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So you just said you benefit from 3 second chance/free pass perks and ya wonder why they try and remove you asap. Lmao
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I dont run at the killer with ds so i use it the way its supposed to be used anti tunneling and i will most of the time intentionally just not hit it at the gate cause the killer played fair as for dh i only use it sometimes i mostly swap it out for quick and quiet or head on and bt im not the one using it my teammates are. I was just a bit triggred when i made that post cause i got tunnled like 6 games in a row so i was abusing ds and dh and bt for a few games after that i stopped and im using a fun build of head on quick and quiet adrenalin and resilience
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Well for starters. It's not his job to make sure you have fun. It's his job to kill you. Next to that, from experience, most often Killers are falsely accused of camping/tunneling just because the survivors play poorly. A Killer that is camping or tunneling will lose. Plain and simple. Even I have been teaching new players how to play survivor, and they sometimes go "He's tunneling me, I can't do anything", and I have to tell them "No that is not tunneling. You were the weakest, and most out of place target. He was just playing smart".
I don't have issues with campers/tunnelers because I am experienced enough at the game to deal with them. I know you can too. Being toxic however, for any reason, is poor sportsmanlike behavior, and not really appreciated in a casual game.
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I can deal with tunnels/campers but its my teammates i feel bad for even at red ranks they dont gen rush while the killer is face camping. and i can tell when a killer actually just wants to tunnel one survivor for no reason except being toxic. tunneling and camping are both fine as long as there is a reason (this is my opinion). You said its not the killers job to make sure i have fun well with that same logic its not my job to make killers have fun but killers still complain about ds bt dh sb adrenaline toolboxes. Im not saying that your one of those killers who complain about everything im just saying that your logic dosent really work. considering this community thinks its the other sides job to make sure you have fun. Tbh i can deal with all the tunneling slugging camping moring as soon as the killers stop complaing about survivors and the reason im toxic in return is cause as you said its not my job to make sure the other side have fun but i still try my best to make sure both sides have fun but sometimes i cant
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Teabagging and clicking aren't useful. Camping is a (bad) strategy, and without Ruin you pretty much need to tunnel or slug to have a chance at a 4K. Tunneling is comparable to looping. It isn't fun for the other side, but it gets results. Teabagging and clicking is just being annoying out of spite. It's like if the killer hits you on the hook or slugs everyone and let's them bleed out.
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Are you for real? Camping and tunneling is a game strategy. Clicking and tbagging is only bullying/mocking and have nothing to do with the game.
It's like if you play football and the opposite team plays very defensive and your answer is to show them your middle finger all game.
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I'm sick of people equating allowed gameplay as toxic.
You should always expect your opponant to use every trick allowed to them in the book to destroy you - and you should do the same. The less you stress about what the other side does and just focus on yourself, the more enjoyable this hobby is.
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I’ve made the argument exactly the other way. Except clicking and teabags don’t bother me. Pallet blinding is the trick.
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Once killers stop complaing about ds dh adrenaline then i wont mind tunneling and camping but you killers tunnel and then get hit with ds and then cry about it
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Well i won't complain about perks they are there to counter something in the game. Just can't understand the hate against camping/tunneling I mean not everyone use it and it's not against the rules so deal with it and on to the next game.
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If your going to facecamp me, you can at least entertain me by spamming your chainsaw or M1
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Looks like you abuse broken loops. Stop your crying you get what you deserve.
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What makes you think i abuse broken loops? lol read my other replies i dont run infinites unless the killer is toxic such as nodding while face camping for no reasone. I think this is a misunderstanding. Plus i play both sides equally and infinites dont really annoy me because most killers have the tools to counter them but for some reasone killers dont realize it (my opinion and i play both sides equally)
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Not necessarily. You could tea bag at a pallet or on the other side of the window or exit gate if you made it
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They're doing their job.
You're trying to get under their skin.
Can you really not see the difference?
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Not all survivors want to be toxic. I don't want to be toxic. I just wanna do my challenges and escape and help me team escape if it means sacrificing myself. But when a killer shakes their head at me and face camp and hit me on the hook you bet ima be toxic back because all that wasn't necessary.
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I have a hard time believing they were tunneling/camping you and THEN you decided to teabag and flick your flashlight.
Sure, you could be part of the small club that is okay with teabagging and flashlight flicking but ONLY if the Killer does "x" to you first, but its really hard for me to believe.
From everything I have seen and experienced in this game the tunneling/camping is a response to the Survivor doing "toxic" things first. And most all Survivors who are okay with doing these things to annoy the Killer do so unprovoked.
Again, you could be in the minority but its hard to believe.
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I understand its hard to believe but The reasone i get tunnled or camped is mainly cause i run the killers for like 3 gens and it's not my fault i lead the killer to my teammates but they keep chasing me and when i get downed thats when i get facecamped i really dont know how to stop a killer from chasing me cause im not giving them a free down
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I worded my post a bit wrong what i meant was that if there obviously just doing it to be toxic and not cause they have a reason. Example a red rank killer playing bubba with insidious and facecamps the baby meg for litrally no reasone and then in the endgame. Saying stuff like gg ez
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Doesn't really matter, nothing mentioned is bannable in any way.
If survivors feed a hard camping killer kills, they messed up. If a killer throws the match to kill one survivor that annoyed them, the killer messed up and the other survivors responded to the situation correctly.
As long as people don't follow it up with actual bannable post-game behavior (so not calling people ######### at the game or mocking others, but actual slurs/threats and such) it doesn't matter.
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