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Why is Nurse such a rare killer to go against now?
Honestly, I get that her nerf was a really hard one that requires people to have much more skill when playing her, but she's still like the best killer in the game right now. Do you guys not find her fun or instead, hard to learn? my last game when i went against a nurse was a week ago and she camped me the entire game cuz i ran her for 3 gens and she dced once i was unhooked right when my adren kicked in. but honestly, i found it fun going against skilled nurses and i can barely find any now. #########?? :(
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Because people don't want to take the time to learn her.
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Because she was nerfed so severely she's unplayable now?
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Too hard to play. Those that have already mastered her can still show up and clean house though.
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Because she is hard to play
Almost impossible for new players
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People heard she was nerfed, at that point it does not matter what has actually been changed, they could have lowered her movement speed by 0.0000000001 meter per hour and people would still not play her anymore.
cuz nerfed, aka totally worst thing in the world now just like the devs.
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that's a FAT lie, she's an s-tier killer and i guess my input is subjective, but she's able to apply so much pressure and a skilled one can get a 4k within 2 minutes. yes, she was so much better before but the nerf didn't make her unplayable.
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She is literally 2nd strongest killer rn lol
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Generally an unfun killer to play as, until you start to get really good with her, which can take a considerable amount of time. Then there is her bugs which are completely out of your control.
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She's impossible to learn now and a lot of the veterans left. "S-tier" is a myth at this point, I want solid proof she's actually the best after that nerf
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I agree that she is (almost) impossible to learn, but her ability to end chases in 20 seconds still works. She just cant afford to miss anymore.
If someone really was a Nurse veteran then he would be (almost) unaffected by the nerf.
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The people saying otherwise are mosrltly survivor players happy they don't have to play carefully against a strong killer anymore, that's the truth of it. Just look at the panicked damage control replies to my first comment.
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Too much stress to play, while there are other low effort alternatives.
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Because unless you're just a god and perfect blink with her every time, she's very perk/add on heavy. She also does take a lot of skill to learn. Like I love nurse, love her power, her looks, her lore, everything about her. But I was dumb and didn't practice with her or level her while I was in low ranks. Now I'm in high ranks with no decent perks or addons for her. So every time I take her into my games, even if my blinks are good and I apply pressure well, I don't have the stuff to stall the game, so I get stomped by these red rank survivors who only play the same survivors with all tier 3 survive perks like DS, DH, sprint burst, borrowed time, iron will. It's not impossible to win those games, just unlikely. Usually the gens get rushed and I just don't have time to practice her blinks during a match.
But that's probably why you don't see many, just too much skill required and nowhere to practice her without getting stomped and deranking cause of it.
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Despite all the people saying they don't want to learn her or practice her, the fact is even if you did you would still have a really hard time against decent survivors due to her changes. She was over nerfed and now people will happily just tell you to "git gud" and that "good Nurse's still absolutely demolish" because everyone is more than happy to never see her again so they'll tell you lies like that.
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Because she's clunky and feels like ass to play. Doesn't matter if she's still strong if playing her doesn't feel good. I'm sure there's a party going on somewhere about the demise of Sally.
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She is much more unfun to play now, especially for players who didn't take the time to learn her before. She is still a really good killer, but she feels so bad to play now.
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She is difficult to play as so new players won't really enjoy picking her up. Especially because games last 5 minutes. More importantly though, no one likes not being able to play AKA there is a cooldown for your second blink and you also suffer from blink fatigue. That's two moments where you literally can't play and it happens constantly throughout the game because of how her kit works.
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According to currently statistics at all ranks she is either the worst killer or the 3rd worst killer with a barely higher KR then clown.
Check the most recent(November sense they haven't released anymore sense then) and even at the gold standard red ranks she is still bottom 3.
Also @LegionGhostface she has countless game breaking bugs right now like:
Throwing a pallet where she will be before the blink finishes stuns her out of her blink.
She can randomly have her 2nd blink be disabled after the first blink for no reason.
She can just have her 2nd blink not work for the entire game for no reason.
She is an underpowered broken(In terms of game breaking bugs) killer with very few upsides atm.
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Like people are saying, she still has the potential to be the best killer in the game, and those who mastered her before can do just as well with her now probably.
I, personally, just think she's not very fun to play as anymore. Her add-ons have pretty massive downsides, or are just memes/useless for doing well, and the double cooldown mechanic just makes her feel sluggish and unrewarding (even if, with add-ons, the effect isn't too big).
Most of all, the last time I tried nurse on Dedicated Servers I had such an awful time with the rubber banding and the wonky blinks I haven't touched her again after that.
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I was learning her, but the nerf just made her unfun to play. Yes, shes strong, but I'd rather have both FUN and strong.
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The blink disable bug can also work for the 1st blink. Meaning the game can turn you to a no-blink Nurse for the rest of trial. Which can be theoretically forever, since you physically can't catch survivors.
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I think the last time I went against nurse on ps4 was about a month ago (not exaggerating)
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I'm a very good nurse and I disagree that she is anywhere near top tier.
She needed a nerf but she was way over nerfed. Now she has one of the lowest kill rates of any killer for both experienced and new players alike.
Ive suggested before that either:
a)remove or lower the cooldown for blink, maybe make the cool down reset both blinks instead of one per cool down.
b) Remove fatigue and leave everything else as is.
c) increase her base speed to 4.2-4.4 like hag/huntress/spirit or
d) give her 3-4 blinks and leave everything else as is.
Any ONE of these would put her back at the top or near the top tier without making her as OP as she once was.
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I have noticed the wonky blinks on dedicated servers as well. If you connection has just a tiny hickup, the game severely undercharges your blink. It appears that the developers in their infinite wisdom made blinktiming serverside, meaning you have to account for your ping at the time you charge AND release your blink. Utteraly broken design right now.
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What for endure stun simulator, Nurse, if you can play broken survivors who make no noise and win the game in 3 min?
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I dont care about statistics, Im talking about potential of her power. Precise blink is an instant hit, do it one more time and this is the end of the chase. Nothing can stop you, loops, pallets, walls, whatever, it does not matter. You just blink and hit. If you miss then youre #########. So just git gud and dont miss.
I agree about the bugs and lags, but these thing are not supposed to be part of gameplay, so you cant judge her power based on that.
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i definitely agree that her base speed needs to increase and the blink cooldown and fatigue duration need to decrease.
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Why is no one else talking about the random basement blinks? Lol is it just me? Like go to blink to someone outside a structure, randomly blink to the basement. Go to blink out, won't let you blink out. Have to actually walk out and by that time the survivor is long gone. This happens constantly to me. I could be aiming for the sky and end up in the basement lol then it becomes impossible to pass through again.
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def agree
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Of my friends that mained Nurse, they have all stopped playing her because I quote "We just don't want her to get nerfed after we put so much work into learning her. We will play her every now and then, but rarely"
And I am starting to feel the same way about Freddy.
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yup that’s pretty common but good survivors know not to really loop around the basement/shack area cause she can gain an easy line of sight. i personally only experience this when i’m trying to get across the map and it’s aggravating
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Just use Plaid Flannel lol
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The Plaid Fannel indicator has a delay now (thanks dedicated servers, you are such a blessing), which means it is not reliable anymore.
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That's even worse lol I tried that after the first basement teleportation extravaganza. Every time I'd go to blink to a survivor they'd go behind a wall and it would just cancel my blink. Like the animation would go, and I would be dazed, but I wouldn't move anywhere. I actually captured that one on video too. Nurse is all wonky these days, which is sad because I love her aesthetic
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Here's how I think about it. Whenever I feel like playing Killer, I can choose between:
- Mass amount of game breaking bugs. Potential to get a map that completely ruins my gaming experience (like the new Oni map). Incredibly slow movement speed, beaten even by survivors. Having to deal with both a cooldown and a fatigue.
- Play literally anyone else.
I really do not care how much """"potential"""" her power has, she's not even worth trying to learn.
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She's not fun to play as. She used to be a challenge on console; now she just feels like a chore.
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Do me a favor will ya? Play nurse, check when "precise blink" shows up, you can be 5+m away or even more from a survivor and get the points for that.
Potential huh? According to that, bubba is actually the strongest one since he can down the entire survivor team with a single use of his power. What is it with you people and potential? Nobody cares, take a realistic look at the power and not some fairytale look at it.
People like you have no clue about nurse, every nurse gets ######### currently by deadhard. So instead of 2times it is 3 by default cause alot of people do run it whether you like it or not. What is this you dont care about statistics? I don't know how to tell you but the closest thing that you do remind me of are the people here in my country who do not like refugees, you can explain well they only make like 2% of people here and they respond with "i don't care about statistics or facts cause they are everywhere! liar!".
Nurse has 43% killrate the last time stats were delivered by almo @Warcrafter4 .. That is the lowest.
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That too. Same as stairs. You can blink from stairs down, but you cannot blink up to stairs, not to mention the many rocks/statues and other things you can’t blink through. Even more reasons why she needs a bit of buff love, please.
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By "precise blink" I meant actual precision, not what game tells you its precise.
No, Bubba does not have potential of being the strongest killer, he is loopable just like Trapper without traps, all he does is an instadown at the end of the chase. Nurse does not need to chase anyone, she just blinks and hits.
If you blink properly, they wont even have time to do Dead Hard, especially with dedicated servers, reaction Dead Hard does not work. And even if they Dead Hard, 3rd blink is like 15 more seconds to the chase, thats still fastest or at least one of the fastest chases in the game.
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I mained her since she came out. I stopped maining her once she got her rework came out. She's just unfun and boring to play. She's weak now.
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Before you could slap on 3 blinks and it was basically training wheels. Now with just 2 blinks and a recharge there’s less room for error.
She’s also the most exhausting killer to play imo. She can be really strong but I couldn’t play her every game. You really need to concentrate for them blinks.
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^ this mindset is driving players off of her.
even though nurse is still without a doubt the strongest killer in DbD, she requires a LOT of practise to be played efficiently and unexperienced nurses will get stomped very easily by survivors.
her gameplay is also not a lot of fun for many players, due to her getting stunned every few seconds, which makes missing a blink in a chase even more punishing and frustrating for newer nurse players - and the general nurse gameplay is eigther get outrunned or blink, then stare at the ground and wait for your blinks to come back. not very interactive imo...
many dont want to sacrifice their ingame rank and a lot of time to get better with her now, due to how frustrating / stale nurse gameplay can be.
she effectively drives new players away from her, while the experienced players eigther quit the game or switched to other, more enjoyable killers over the time. this means the nurse community is shrinking, yet no new players come into it due to nurse being as difficult and frustrating as she is.
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With the huge cooldown and stun you can't use blinks to travel around the map anymore and are forced to rely on her slower than survivor walk speed to get around
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i really feel like they should increase her base speed movement
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The number of Nurses I have seen ingame increased lately, but not much. I get at least 1 Nurse each evening. (Most Killers I currently face are with a big gap Huntress, followed by Doc, Billy and Ghostface) I see more Nurses than Hags or Wraiths for example (yesterday I had two Hags in a Row after not having a Hag for solid 3 weeks)
A few weeks ago, when I faced Nurses, they were either REALLY good or learning Nurse (with expected results). However, she is working better on Dedicated Servers now, which increased the number of Nurses again (AFAIK), and in general, I see more Nurses which are not terrible, but also not that scary as before.
Personally, I was a horrible Nurse before the Nerf and I am an even worse Nurse after the Nerf, and I dont have the patience to learn her. And I guess I am not the only one, and there are alternatives - you can also use Spirit, way easier to learn and effective. Or Freddy, Billy... All those Killers dont require the same effort like learning Nurse (not even close), while still being good enough for 4K.
Of course you cannot blink on Top of Survivors and hitting them, but most of the time, you will not need that.
So while the reward for learning Nurse might be high, the effort is even higher.
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She's not fun at all and not as good as people make her out to be. She's the only killer that gets judged by the top percentile of performance and has the goalposts constantly shifted otherwise. Blinks don't occur in a vacuum, especially after the reappearance change. Spirit does 99% of what Nurse does without the downsides, and she doesn't feel like a chore to use.
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I don't know what you are but you are making stuff up. You don't pop up on a survivor, this doesn't happen, you are announced before TR is there.
All of what you say is only true on an empty field huge deadzone, against potatoes sure. As soon as you play against good people nurse is horrible, she is easier to predict and see, dead hard works everytime against her unlike every other killer in the game. It is okay that you do not know that, tells me you don't see nurse as survivor nor do you play her.
Which probably is the reason why keep making stuff up and ignore all the gamebreaking bugs nurse suffers from at the moment. She was unplayable on sanctums wrath, she has many bugs and the devs do nothing.
According to potential bubba is the strongest, you know just like the rare case that a survivor will just stand randomly in an open field, bubba is the strongest if for some unknown reason all survivors try to escape the basement stairs and he comes down...
Also Flannel does not help with the basement bug, it has something to do with blinking near the basement while you not even aim for it and yet get sucked into it.
Nurse has a 43% killrate and suffers from gamebreaking bugs and you tell people it is the strongest killer. Please just stop when you have no clue at all.
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nurse is definitely the strongest killer when she’s played right and people are used to her blinks. her bugs are an issue but they won’t stop her from 4king and ending chases in like 5-10 seconds. her kill rate doesn’t determine whether she’s a good killer, there are unskilled nurses that will have so much trouble playing now especially with her nerf. i play her at rank 1 killer and never depipped or gotten anything other than a 3k or 4k (sometimes find hatch) in a long time. it really depends on your knowledge of her power. she had one of the highest kill rate prior to her nerf and proving my point, you need to actually be aware of her blinks.
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I'm gonna be honest, no matter how strong she is, cooldowns are just annoying and unfun for most people. And calling them "lazy, because they don't want to learn her" is somehow unfair. I don't say the cooldown is bad, but cooldowns are just irritating to deal with and make the experience less dynamic. No intense chases when you have to slowly float waiting for your blinks to come back.
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Nurse can't end chases in 10 seconds. She needs atleast 20-30 seconds to catch up to survivors after the first hit.
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