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Are the Spirit and the Oni relatives?
They both are Yamaoka... so?..
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Yes they are related. Oni is Spirit's ancestor. I believe her rift cosmetic is her wearing Oni's old armour when he was young. :)
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The devs said in a Q&A that he is Rin’s great-great-great-great-great grandfather.
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It was the stream before last, back in December. You can watch it here https://youtu.be/vde613ZMd88 or read what they said in my summary post (it's the first question in the Q&A section) https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/114042/i-watched-the-dev-stream-so-you-dont-have-to-again/
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Cool! Tks!
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Yes, I believe the Oni is the Spirit's great-great-great-great Grandfather (might be missing a "great" in there).
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He's "The First Yamaoka" despite being the son of his Father who's debatable "The First Yamaoka". Anyways, I don't think it's easy to deduce how far back the Blood-Line goes unless I missed something in the lore and what not.
I say that because we'd need to know when Rin was alive in what year and try to deduce what time The Oni was in. Last I checked it isn't exactly said anywhere for both...? But again, I could've missed something.
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At least it's confirmed, so that's good.
I'd like to ask for the Q&A they said this in, but it's not necessary if you don't feel like getting it.
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Wasn't Kazan fathers the original yamaoka?
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It's certainly not Kazan himself, since his lore doesn't really fit with the First Yamaoka lore. I think it's speculated, but not confirmed, that the First Yamaoka was either Kazan's father or grandfather.
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"Splintered hull" - The very rare add-on for Oni, describes Renjiro as "The legendary samurai".
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Then you're probably right. It also mentions Renjiro being shipwrecked, which fits with the lore. I don't think the devs have ever explicitly said "Renjiro is the First Yamaoka" but all the evidence seems to point that way.
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That's kind of why I said "He's "The First Yamaoka" despite being the son of his Father who's debatable "The First Yamaoka"." implying that it doesn't make sense to label the son of the Father who bares Kazans name.
So technically speaking, Renjiro is The First Yamaoka.
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Reading the lore, looks like Kazan is the first great samurai, but he is son of another Yamaoka, wich is his father.
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It's either an error or Renjiro isn't technically a Samurai, yet he's seen battling Kazan and literally throwing the match after he also lands the killing blow on his son.
In a sense, I think the lore misses that part for some reasons, or maybe the legend didn't really start with Renjiro (Which it didn't) and instead began with Kazan due to his legend of being seen as an Oni in battle.
But again, this is also put into question since Rin even mentions in her new lore pieces that she hoped to be as great of a warrior like Renjiro and Kazan, implying Renjiro has a legacy of his own. (These lore pieces are from her "Steeped in Blood" Archive pages for Tome ll Level 1 and 2)
Also, you could say that Renjiro was mentioned because he's Kazans father, but she literally mentions him as a "great warrior", so it's hard to say he doesn't have a legend if she also refers to him as a great warrior as well. I mean, Renjiro literally almost killed Kazan, quite easily I might add, but he held back because Kazan is literally his son... so in the end Renjiro lost because he showed mercy for his own son who didn't even know it was his father under that suit of armor, not until the end of the fight anyways.
In a sense, It's hard to say if this was an error by BHVR or it has another meaning behind it.
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Good points.
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Also the whole "Splintered Hull" description above kind of makes it seem that that's the case.
So... yeah.
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We know that Renjiro was a great warrior, it's all in the lore for the Yamaoka Estate realm.
The estate was bought by the first of the Yamaoka, a shipwreck survivor, who came from a distant ashy island. He washed ashore just as political tensions sparked the flames of war.
Yamaoka joined the battlefield and unleashed hell on his foes. No one could match the raw fury of his Katana, which elevated him to a legend. They say his devilish mask haunted the dreams of all men.
His fame grew as he spilled blood on both sides of the conflict. With power came wealth, which he used to buy the estate and begin his legacy.
I also can't find anything in the Oni's lore that says Kazan was the first samurai, so as far as I can tell there's no contradiction there.
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I think it's not in the lore itself but with how people read the lore and came to that assumption.
Which is why I argued against it, because people believe that, due to how the lore is written, that The First Yamaoka implies that Kazan has that title, when in fact he doesn't. So in a sense, I got confused while writing up my argument because a lot of people think the lore implied Kazan was The First Yamaoka when, if you read closer, it doesn't.
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Ah okay, yep I understand now. I often find that the lore can get confusing just because it's difficult at a glance to tell the difference between what was actually revealed in the game and what's just some random player's headcanon.
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In a sense yeah, it seems to be a more common occurrence than it should be, I think it has something to do with how it's written and how long the lore is in-general.
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Ah okay, yep I understand now. I often find that the lore can get confusing just because it's difficult at a glance to tell the difference between what was actually revealed in the game and what's just some random player's headcanon.
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Yeah, and the fact that it's scattered all over the place, there's bits and pieces in add-on descriptions and things like that.
Also sorry about the above comment posting twice, please ignore that second one!
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Yeah, it's a bit odd but at least the information is there if you dig for it.
And yeah, that happens sometimes still.
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