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Question for everyone
So i saw post about a killer asking about tunneling and all the replies said he shouldnt care about the survivors. But these same people complained about about survivors abusing ds bt dh and infinites and gen rushing. so what do you think should killer and survivors care about the other side.
(This might be a repost cause i tried to post this a few hours ago and idk if it posted my phone is buggy atm so i can't tell if it posted)
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Killing Survivors is the Killer's objective, any way of doing so is decent and caring about the other side should come after that.
You can't know if you are against a sweaty Killer/Team before the match so right now at Reds you have to assume what you can; playing to lose should not be a viable option for the average player unless there is a challenge in the way.
I personally dislike locker meta w/ DS and bodyblock meta w/ BT, but for the most part they are okay, just the strongest Perks you can run right now.
There will always be Perks stronger than others and Survivors being only skins doesn't help that sadly.
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I dont think you even read that thread.
Bacause its not what they were saying.
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I replied in my first line, he asked why one side should care for the other and I said it should not unless they want to play to lose.
Then I replied to what I think about the abuse of said Perks, infinites should not even be discussed and Gen rushing is a topic I'm tired to read.
You didn't reply to the question too, I see.
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Things you should care of, in order of importance:
1. Have fun
2. Let your opponent have fun, as long as he/they deserve it.
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Personally, I think that humans should show some regard for other humans, and just because someone wasn't nice to you doesn't mean it's okay for you to retaliate in kind. Some people value courtesy and sportsmanship less than others.
Having said that, I would never expect someone not to try to win. So I don't consider employing effective strategies, like tunneling and looping, a problem, as long as you're using them to win and not just to be a jerk.
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As for body blocking, I've yet to see someone body block billy, bubba or oni :P
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I don't particularly "care" about the other side having fun but I don't care to go out of my way to ruin it either.
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People should play the way that they want to. Some people play to win, some play to have fun.
I usually play for fun so I just worry about getting my 4 stacks for bbq, then i try to hook everyone twice, and then go for kills and give the last person hatch. Usually doesn't get that far but that's ok.
You can't really get mad at survivors for "gen rush". That is a problem with the game, not the survivors. What are they supposed to do, take a break when they get a gen halfway done?
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Welll... How did you get the idea that I was talking to you? I replied to the thread, not your comment. I didnt even mention you in any way.
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Cheeks. Slap one to the left slap one to the right and I slid in the mori slowly while she moaned profusely groaned screamed couldn't believe
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
We all play selfishly and we'll destroy this community of our own accord. @PokemonGOPlayer, @Johnble and @kcwolf1975 might disagree with me here, but sometimes the best thing that we can do for ourselves is just to play nice with others. Not camp and tunnel, so that people may actually want to continue playing the game.
I also believe that it skews the dev's statistics, so they may not actually be able to balance the game properly with tampered results.
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I play games to have fun. Not so the other team can have fun. We have opposite objectives so therefore we are against one another. They didn't pay for my copy of the game so I will prioritize my fun above theirs.
The problem i see with your statement is your making it sound like the killers are the only ones who are ruining the game. Do people stop and ask why killers tunnel and camp? Some are actually ######### but most are doing it because the survivors bring every perk/item in the book and finish the match in 4 minutes. This game is not balanced at all and no amount of git gud or pressure gens will fix whats broken.
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Why did you tag me? I don't support camping or tunnelling. I just don't bother getting tilted if someone else does that.
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"I personally dislike locker meta w/ DS and bodyblock meta w/ BT, but for the most part they are okay, just the strongest Perks you can run right now."
I just want to thank you for saying strongest perks. Instead of overpowered. People, killers/survivors are quick to call perks overpowered when the case is, they are just strong. Sure annoying but strong
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This is a double standard. It's ok for "you" to treat others like garbage but they can't treat "you" the same? If you don't respect your opponent, there is no reason for them to respect you, nor should they. These tactics, tunneling, camping, slugging, infinite looping, ruin the game for at least one person. It is simply not enjoyable. It is a game, it's meant to be fun for all who play.
The bigger problem I see with killers is 0 accountability. If your idea of fun is making sure others don't, then I say all player names need to be locked down and revealed in the beginning. That way you can be as sweaty of a killer you want to be, and I can decide if I want to play against you again.
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I think of it as the prisoners dilemma
You begin with good sportsmanship. If your opponent also chooses good sportsmanship then you have a good match and everyone has fun. If your opponent chooses poor sportsmanship then you choose poor sportsmanship and nobody has fun but everyone feels vindicated
And if your a survivor and your teammate is toxic then you sell them out to the killer and reevaluate after they are entity chow
It's not really a question of caring about the other side as much as it is about having fun. In this game no amount of BP or emblems make it worthwhile to put up with the end game salt
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It's obvious you were talking to him. Your comment doesn't make sense otherwise.
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Do what you want to win, within the game rules. There is nothing inherently toxic about playing the game. That being said, it's nice to be considerate and not intentionally ruin the experience of others.
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My dumb butt has done it and very rarely gotten away with it.
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Some people ignore all other survivors to tunnel off the hook. These are the ones who complain about DS and Bt the most.
Don’t get me wrong there are some situations where these perks can be annoying, endgame for example but in general if you’re raging because you’re always affected by these perks then you need to look at the way you play.
If I see someone rushing an unhook I just hit them. Often results in a quick trade and I don’t get affected by DS or BT at all.
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They should care to some degree.
If you bully someone out of the game, doesn't matter what the opinions are, that's 1 less player able to fill a lobby.
And then i put in the good ol': "What if many others accomplished that happen?"
Simply put: Your own entertainment should still be the priority, but not caring about others at all might yield some results you won't enjoy.
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Where did I say it was okay for anyone to treat anyone else like garbage? I actually said the opposite in the very first line of my comment. I'm also not a killer main and I don't treat anyone like garbage, so I have no idea why you're speaking in the second person throughout your reply.
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Like I said, I don't go out of my way to ruin anyone's fun. I don't teabag, rarely do I bring in items, I spread my attacks out as evenly as possible, if I get downed, I let the killer hook me without fussing about it. I play the roles in a way that wouldn't cause me stress if I were on the other team. It's a game, I'd rather have more funny or intense moments than won matches.
I know what fair plays look like and most often, I am victim to fair plays where someone capitalized on my mistakes.
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Ok bruh? Not like there is less than 1 minute between these 2 comments so there would be no way I could reply to that guy in the first place?
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"...and just because someone wasn't nice to you doesn't mean it's okay for you to retaliate in kind..."
while you were a little more polite about it, I was a little more aggressive about it. I do believe people should be treated with a certain amount of respect. but if someone is being disrespectful, I'd expect someone to say something about it. I used the "you" as in not yourself, but as short for any sweaty killer or survivor. The worse you are, the worse they're probably going to tell you off about it.
I do aim this more at killers because, as not being in a SWF, I constantly hear "Well if you didn't gen rush..." as an excuse. If it was SWF, yeah maybe you were gen rushed, BUT non-SWF doesn't have open channels. The match just happened to start with all survivors separated, and probably near gens. No coordination, Primary task to do gens and 3 pop between 60 and 80 seconds in, that's not being Gen rushed, thats the killer not applying pressure. This will happen more than killers want to admit and use it as an excuse to be extra sweaty I've been in matches that plain and simply sucked because the killer applied 0 pressure to the gens, tunneled the living hell out of the 1st person he found to death, and it cost him all 5 gens. After the match, he said he was gen rushed. The game lasted less 10 minutes total.We tried to break him from tunneling, he didn't care. so we did gens, cleaned all 5 totems, and opened the door, and pointed that out to him. He stated we were being toxic by running into him, following him around... umm, he tunneled the same person because we were trying to get him NOT to tunnel...???? He then claimed,and this is ridiculous, because "you all came in with all meta perks" like he knew what perks we had to begin with. I find it ridiculous because I never considered Botany a meta perk. To top it all off, he then stated he tunneled because we "Broke all the totems, making NOED useless." How do you answer that? don't tunnel, don't camp, go after others, and apply pressure? Sure we won, we got out with only 1 death, and we were all BORED because he wanted to tunnel. As I stated, games are meant to be fun for ALL, that game wasn't for anyone.
That being said, I do play killer as well, and I do find that a bunch of survivors that constantly follow with flashlights, crowd the first hook, block you entirely, while t-bagging, just to grief is just as sweaty and also not needed. It is supposed to be fun and there are objectives to do, there is no need to be a douche about the whole thing.
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I addressed all of that in my original comment. You're still misunderstanding me. Yes, disrespect should absolutely be called out. But there is a difference between calling someone out for being disrespectful, and being disrespectful in return. When a parent, say, takes away their child's toys because the child was rude, they're doing it to curb bad behaviour, not to get back at the child. Denunciation is not retaliation.
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They’re my opponent, their enjoyment does not matter as long as I win
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Say that to those who have been bullied by rank 9+ survivors plus Ruin is gone thanks to them and the ignorant devs. They made killer games hell, why would have I let them enjoy the game?
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I didn't say you HAVE to, I'm just saying that this sort of mentality is self-destructive. Also, you can't just blame the devs for toxic behaviour.
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Ok, then don't expect them to care about your fun.
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