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Otz vs Ayrun fun vs frustration
Otz point of view at 23:30:00
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/548265751
Ayrun point of view second game
Survivor side was all laughs and good times while the killer side was just frustrating and miserable
Don't know how you guys feel about this but the killer side definitivly didn't have fun that game
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You want Head On nerfed? Swf nerfed? The Game nerfed? Just wanted to share a funny game?
So...you think it's problematic most "fun" aspects of one side are miserable for the other? Can't say I disagree 😁
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It's kinda to be expected in a versus game. Both sides can have their bad/unfun matches and it just balances eachothers out.
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Just want to see what people thoughts about it are, I'm not shouting nerfs or anything like that
I understand that in a versus game that's usually the case that one side's fun is ussually unfun for the other side but it seems a bit too extreme in this game
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Head-on is fun to use but was a really stupid addition to the game. A perk that's fairly useless for solo survivors and a excellent bullying tool for swf? Yup, we should definitely put that in.
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I feel sorry for Otz here, but I also don't condemn Ayrun for using Head On. It's a meme perk so of course they're gonna laugh their asses off when they get it to work.
The only time Head On becomes BS is when people start back-to-back abusing it to stunlock the killer for 12 seconds.
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Totally logic, any SWF with at least 2 decent skill and coordinate survivor can ensure 99% win for every match and bully the killer. Killer have 1 % chance to snowball if the survivor screw up too much.
I play both side that why I understand how strong with survivor if they wanted to.
I am consider give up playing killer depending on the next update also.
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Yea that's what I thought. I guess this could be one explanation of the great divide between the two sides. What really baffles me is why someone would only advocate for one side even though neither are anything without the other.
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What is the point here?
Otz is an okayish killer, not the best, not the worst. His billy is also not that great. He did some really big mistakes in this game.
Ayrun is arguable one of the best survivors and he is playing SWF.
Otz gets the 4K ez win with 2 Gen left on one of the worst billy maps.
He got stunned a few times. Oh no :(
This game looked like fun for both sides for me, if you feel offended or stressed by this scenario, stop playing killer, simple as that.
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My thoughts exactly, but apparently Otz got very sensitive during this game.
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Would be nice if you would a) use Clips for Twitch Content and b) use Timestamps for Youtube. Makes it way easier to get to the important parts of the game.
Also, what needs to be considered: Otz was live for almost 24 hours already. This includes, being awake for at least 24 hours, of course his mood is different from someone who had a good rest and is recording a video (when I made a Night Shift for university, I was mostly fine, but not in the most enjoyable mood either).
And well, I dont see any problem with Head On. There is also a risk in using it, you can get grabbed out without performing Head On.
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Imagine complaining about an exhaustion perk which gives you less distance AND is more situational than the other exhaustion perks because if the entire survivor team devotes their time to meme and throw the game it can be a minor annoyance to the killer
They got dumpstered in that game.Both sides can use meme builds and throw the game to have fun.
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Otz had been streaming for roughly 1 day straight when this match happened. He was tired as hell and still 4k'd fairly easily. Not sure what your point is.
Do you want killers to 4k without any level of stress? Why would anyone play survivor if you can just press on "play as killer" and have an easy time?
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Well, i guess he was awake for a long time (24 hours stream?) so that probably caused his bad mood. He is normally a chill guy.
I agree. Head on is definitly not overpowered. I honestly love seeing people running this perk. A guy in a locker preparing the Head on stun = one guy less on a generator. A guy running this perk = no 99% Sprintburst, no Dead hard. I take this any time.
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I think the problem here was that otz was playing DBD for 24h straight lol.
I personally think games like these can be fun for both sides most of the time. I think its less toxic than coldwind offerings at least.
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Head on is fine. Calling for nerfs for every perk weakens the argument for perks that actually should be nerfed.
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As a killer I don’t mind getting Head I’m stunned, I’ll even compliment the player after if it was really well timed and they saved a teammate.
As survivor if I run Head on it’s just a “oh crap,” perk if i Q&Q into a locker but then killer figures it out.
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sooooo they waste their time and otz 4k's....what is the problem again?
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I don't blame Otz for getting a little irritated by all those head ons. I never understood the appeal of Ayrun. His playstyle often seems to be to just annoy the killers with stupid antics like that.
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^ agree to this.
Also, has he modified his Red Stain? Like... Its huge and super-bright.
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In this game it's often more fun to see how many stupid stunts you can pull than actually try to win, especially as survivor.
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Made a mistake with the tittle of this thread so i changed it
Headon wasen't really the focus point it was everything in combination that the survivors could do to frustrate the killer
The clipping through the killer, coordinations, the constant stuns and blinds
I know Otz was tired but i don't think anyone could have fun vs this as killer. Even if you win afterward cause the survivors
Mostly posted it cause it's an intresting discussion i think, the survivors had the most fun is this, but they did lose. While the killer gameplay was frustrating but they did win. And while it's not unussual that in vs games one side fun is at the expence of the others i feel this game can be quite extreme with it
On both sides really
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I find head on and flashlight games interesting, you just need to not fall for easy baits.
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This happens to people who have been red rank for so long, they know they can be there and stay there so there’s nothing to prove. They wanna have fun, sadly sometimes it at the expense of other people.
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I hate survivors like this. They just troll and throw the game. Or they expect everyone else to hold M1 for them which is boring.
Also look at all those instadowns. Truly Hillbilly is “tHe mOsT bAlAnCeD kIlLeR”
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I can definitely see where people like this are coming from.
I've been in red ranks for quite some time now. I feel like if I were to tryhard I'd play exactly the same game every single time. I know my limits and I feel like I can call the outcome of a match the vast majority of times.
It's SO MUCH MORE FUN to try silly stuff. My Chest Guardian Bubba games are usually more entertaning than standard killer gameplay, and running MoM+Pebble is probably more fun than playing normally as survivor. But ultimately this is what I feel this game should be about. Less competitive, more silly.
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Pretty sure he changed graphics settings and stretched as well I think he made a YouTube about it
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Really hope you're trolling
I first started watching Ayrun because of Ussylis, and I like his build videos. Admittedly the "toxic" playstyles him and others like Noob3 employ are not exactly my style but hey it's content. Who do you prefer to watch?
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Wrong. Head on gives you more distance than any other perk besides decisive strike
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I like Zubatlel, Umbra, Monto, Streamdad, and I loved Hybridpanda until he retired.
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Well another thread lacking any logical sense. The Myers obviously wasnt that good. Getting played with so easily was entirely his fault, and not the "power" of any perk or item.
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Otz was the Hillbilly, but ok
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And he won easily, but ok.
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I think the draw of playing both sides is different.
Personally, I consider myself a killer main, but I do play a lot of survivor too, it's just that I almost exclusively play survivor as part of a 3-man SWF group and very rarely alone.
When we play SWF, it is pretty similar to Ayruns experiences, we just mess around and have fun. We're all red/purple ranks but to be honest none of us are really that good at the game, a fact which doesn't really matter as we consistently get ranked against killers who are far less experienced than us anyway. None of us are really toxic, clicking flashlights teabagging etc. but simply by virtue of knowing the game and being organized as a team we get flashlight saves etc, we even get MoM to procc fairly often for what its worth.
Often I feel pretty bad for the killers we win against (we lose a lot of games too mind you), because some of our behaviour is borderline bullying from another perspective (although its not intended that way, but when a killer spends 3 gens going for 1 chase only to get pallet stunned whilst holding the survivor it can't feel good at all), but we spend most of our time laughing and bantering around the game, and for me at least that is the main "pull" of playing survivor alongside trying to win.
Killer on the other hand is a completely different game, it's like comparing AoE II (Killer) to Halo 3's Big Team Battle mode (Survivor). I go in knowing that I may potentially (Mostly due to the RNG of survivor skill, map and items) have to give every ounce of my brainpower to get through the game. I enjoy playing games for this reason.
The gap between survivor and killer in DBD is IMO huge, they're like completely different games, but I think theres nothing inherently wrong with that. The fact that killer makes you sweat is, for me atleast, actually its attractive point. Sure maybe at the moment its potentially too survivor sided with insane maps like the farm maps mixed with a very, very solid meta strategy on the survivor side, but because of the useless matchmaking system I just as often go against potatoes as I do deathsquads, and so the crazy imbalances of this game are at least not ubiquitously apparent.
Plus its always fun to curbstomp a player who thinks they're good when they actually aren't.
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"Guys, the survivors had fun even though it really didn't benefit them in an way, this isn't okay."
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otz pretty chill guy , ayrun is just another ( I only play with 3 other vets and we use discord) type of a guy.
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just think , what if the devs created a perk for killers just to bully survivors ?
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Okay. But it hardly presents any benefit to the survivors to pull off, and half of the time it's very easy to spot. Man, why do people get so in their feelings about an average perk lmao.
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the perk is literally only used by SWF to bully and mess with killers. my argument still stands. never did I say it benefited them as you can see from the video OP attached so please dont put words in my mouth.
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Yep. There's apparently a .ini tweak you can do that EAC basically never detects, but nearly triples the size and intensity of the red stain. The devs could easily add this check to EAC and force them to reinstall the game, but it seems they've decided not to so far.
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Yeah, and never did I say that you said it benefitted them. You shouldn't be complaning about a perk that doesn't have any real benefit to survivors. Would you rather them be using Dead Hard? I swear man, people will literally get so in their feels and complain about literally everything that poses the slightest inconvenience toward them. It's an average perk that has counter play, and actually adds some different gameplay opportunities for both sides, while maintaining the ability to be entirely countered by the killer.
If you get "buLliEd" by Head On, it's your problem. There becomes a point in the match where you should be situationally aware enough so that you don't fall for 27 Head Ons in a match.
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you still didnt answer my question , what if a killer had a perk to bully survivors ? wouldnt you be complaining ??? I bet you would.
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Meh.
This should be changed, clearly.
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No I wouldn't. Because I don't sit here and think that something that poses the slightest inconvenience toward me is the other side trying to bully me. I think its foolish to complain about the perk. I don't see how someone trying to get a 3 second stun can be compared to being bullied. Being bullied is entirely different than not being situationally aware and continually falling for obvious tactics. I wouldn't get all in my feels and complain about killers having a perk that creates more dynamic gameplay opportunities but has counterplay like many killer players do towards Head on.
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Man you really can't make people happy.
Mess around all match then die = toxic.
Dont mess around and gen rush = toxic.
The hell do you guys want. Do gens at exactly the correct rate and only use the ministry-approved perk selection with playstyles guidelines?
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Players just don't want to feel bullied, and want to feel like they have a hand in how the match goes. Otz's match was a foregone conclusion from the start because three of the survivors weren't doing gens and were just following him around. Even though it was a "win", it doesn't feel good to just have people slap you around without any real ability to do anything about it, regardless of how the game thinks that match went.
I'm certain you can understand why that would be frustrating.
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You mean like a perk that allows the killer to leave them in a helpless state for a long time? Or do you mean a perk that bypasses their only defenses like windows and pallets? What about a perk that extends the time it takes for them to do the boring objective of generators? Maybe even a perk that helps secure kills in the endgame where most survivors feel the game is already over? These perk ideas will probably never be added because survivors won't like them :(
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All of those instadowns except one could have been achieved by Leatherface. I guess he iS oP tOo.
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I disagree with you on billy but I respect your willingness to keep stating it despite the ######### you usually get.
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I kinda stopped listening after they tried to get Ghost Face nerfed lol.
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Maybe there should be a killer perk that works like Thrilling. When you pick up a survivor, all lockers in the vicinity are, well, locked? Just a thought.
The worst part about this match, from Aryun's side, is how many copycats it's going to incite. Remember when Ochido was around, and how many people tried to play like him? Then Noob3? Doesn't mean copycats do it successfully, but it's still pretty annoying.
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