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Give me one good reason why...
A nurse as good as this one who absolutely demolished the survivors didn't get more than a 2k? Is it the generators not being pressured as much as you want them to be? Is it generator times being too quick? Is it nurse being a bad killer?
Because after watching if you can play nurse as well as this you should at least manage to get a 3k. You deserve it for learning the mechanics of nurse and having great game sense. No "crutch" perks were used , the man played as fairly as he could, slugging when needed to apply pressure and even giving a nice gg at the end.
If a top tier nurse struggled to get a 2k against a team of which they ended the chases of fairly quickly then God help the rest of us
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Well... if he couldnt get more than a 2k, then maybe he isnt as good as you think.
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Should’ve pressured gens.
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Did you not bother to watch the video?
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Could it just not be the survivors were better than the killer? Just because it's a nurse doesn't mean it's an automatic win, despite how good you are. There are always matches out there that you can't win.
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Funny to see people not even watch the video and immediately decide the person who played nurse did so "poorly."
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Actually watch the video. Ardetha destroyed those survivors in Chase, clearly he was the better player in this match compared to the survivors. Or not and continue to be willfully ignorant towards the problem that even if killers perform near perfectly the survivors still control the pace of the game
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I see a lot of mistakes. A major mistake was not camping the guy dead right before the 4th gen popped. Make mediocre plays, get mediocre results. If that's not balance what is?
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he played too clean and respectful, for example at 5:12, he should have slugged and proxy camped. Also at 1:58 he failed to close the game not founding claudette.
then again, he didn't exactly finished every chase quickly (but he clearly is way stronger than most people with nurse).
to answer your question: killers can't do any mistakes, that's why.
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It’s funny seeing people say he played poorly I remember watching this video and thinking...ya that’s stupid
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He is good Nurse, but he plays too "fairly", the way survivor wants.
To get 4K you sometimes have to play dirty, get one surv out of game asap.
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So let me get this straight, your saying that he needs to camp, a strategy that is likened to war crimes on these forums with perks such as borrowed time and decisive strike to counter it?
Make up your mind. It's either camping is a valid strategy or its toxic.
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It's only toxic when it counters your argument and vice versa.
Even if he camped the one Adam, that means the Nea he was in chase with he would have to leave her. The person that saved Adam would have backed off and that still leaves 3 people to do 2 gens. Even if he camped he was screwed.
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I acknowledge it as a valid strategy and employ it myself as killer when needed(securing kill because of gen greed, securing a regressing gen by a hook, no bbq auras). They also didn't go after the claudette they saw getting the heal at the beginning. How was that a top tier play?
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Well he had three slugs a few times through this.
But isn't 2K the goal? Seems like this is the perfect game in the Devs eyes.
Can't help but noticed the two addons that reduced the cooldown timer to 2s per-blink. Wonder why he choosed those instead of all the other fun ones BHVR gave her? Hmmm BHVR? Why you think that is?
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I did. and I've also watched other people who dont main nurse absolutely slaughter teams with her. sometimes your opponent is better than you and thats okay.
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😂😂😂😂😂 WTFFF THIS GAME IS VERY BALANCED
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Wow, someone had a bad game. What a surprise.
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Your second point about the camping screwing him over makes sense.
Mind explaining your first point?
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But in this situation th r nurse player was clearly the better player as shown by how short most of the chases were
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2k and 2 escapes is the goal for the average player, this nurse isn't your average killer player and his skill level matters little in the current state of the game due to the amount of second chance perks and the efficiency rate at which gens can be done at. 3/5 of a survivors objective can be completed just as a killer gets 1/12th of their own done
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His commentary in the video did not line up to what was happening in the game lol. He said "this is top tier nurse game play right here" and "I am completely dominating them" multiple times amidst the pretty average nurse gameplay he was providing...
He swung and missed after blinks about 10 times throughout the video. The accuracy of his blinks was solid at some points and pretty bad at others - there are 5 or 6 chases throughout the vid that could have been finished ~5-10 seconds earlier if he was more accurate with his blinks. When he slugged people, multiple times he decided to pick up the one he had just recently downed instead of the person who had been downed longest. He had 3 chases throughout the match where he completely lost the person and abandoned the chase. He made no attempt to play around DS whatsoever and immediately picked up Claudette a few seconds after she was unhooked. He decided to take that chase instead of going towards the player going for the other unhook - that decision alone would have gotten him a 4k. Amidst all the mistakes this man made, he still was given plenty of opportunities throughout the game to get a 4k, but either made the wrong decision or attempted to make the correct decision but executed it poorly.
It seemed like he wasn't thinking about what the other remaining survivors were doing at all throughout the match. He didn't seem to notice when any survivors were healing or thinking about who could be doing gens and where they were. He didn't seem to use Thrilling Tremors a single time throughout the match to look around at what gens were being worked on. It kiiiiindaaaa just seems like he got carried to red ranks by using Nurse.. His overall accuracy with the Nurse blinks shows that he has put a lot of time into her, but his level of awareness and soooo many questionable decisions shows that he has plenty of room for improvement.
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If his gameplay is what you call a bad game then what do you class as a good one? Perfection?
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You almost had me laughing there. Good joke
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Don't be a 4head mate. You know full well that the nurse had time to patrol the hook but instead chose to hook the nea.
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I'm not through the entire video yet, but it looks like it first big mistake was over-committing to the 4 man slug at the start. Had he just took a hook immediately after the third slug I think the game would have played out better for him. But he tried to find the 4th guy and only took the hook after everyone else was up. He basically lost a lot of that pressure by being greedy there, and with no BBQ/Nurse's or something to find survivors with it meant he couldn't fully capitalize on the 3 man slug. If he saw the 4th guy then it would make sense to go for the win there, but I personally would have just immediately picked up the third guy.
And as someone else points out he just kind of let's the guy on death hook get away when he is right there. He didn't have to camp him, but he should have at least slugged him first.
Also the survivors did play well outside of chases by focusing on gens. Is it so hard to say "survivors played well too" in this situation? If the killer was the only one playing well then he should get the 4k. If everyone is playing well, then a 2-2 is a fair result. Playing well as killer shouldn't just guarantee a 4k regardless of how well/poorly the other side plays.
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You should never have to camp a hook leaving every time should be viable play. Hook camping is not fun for anyone.
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Downs a survivor almost every 30s for 10 minutes yet survivors still manage to do all gens and get 2 of them out even while beiing constantly outplayed.
Ofc let's call out those few possible mistakes killer did and completely ignore those 10 minutes of surviors constantly messing up in any kind of stealth or mindgaming during chases since surviors can do as many mistakes as they want yet still escape. Good thing that we measure survivor skill by the ability of holding M1 and not by beiing good at chases or anything.
Pity that DBD is still allows for coordinated M1 holders to end the games within 5 min unless killer is litterally mistakeless superbeiing while they struggle beating drooling gen jockeys who go down 30s after beiing found.
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The killer lost a lot of pressure in many scenarios. The coordination required for this is a bit better than "drooling gen jockeys". I think outplaying was equal in this game, and so was the outcome. That's the definition of balance.
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We make mistakes from time to time, it is a virtue to be able to recognize them instead of blaming your faults on someone or something.
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Nurse is a bad killer. Even with a mountain of pressure and fast chases, she spends the majority of the game in fatigue, so it gives them time. She needs to either have the fatigue or the cooldown, not both. There is a reason she's got the lowest kill rate and its not the brutal learning curve.
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lol I love when people bring up the kill rates even though the devs said they dont mean much and should be taken with a grain of salt .
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Pretty much this. It's almost like a lot of people play console and she specifically sucks to play on console. But who needs context when you can just look at pure stats ammiright? /s
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that people cherry pick videos & make the exact same thread all day long on the forums?
What's next, a thread about how Ruin should not have been nerfed? Or that SWF is too strong? Or that Survivors rely too much on DS, DH or Adrenaline? I know, let's talk about generator speeds!
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Yet survivors scream about killers being over 60% kill rates whenever it's mentioned that killer is weak. Odd...
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either way you shouldnt use those statistics, not sure what you were trying to get at lol. both you and those survivors are in the wrong.
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My point is that nurse is bad. Believe the data or not, she's a very situational killer and not the powerhouse of old.
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Why should he have deserved more kills? He didnt played perfect, was greedy, hooked survivors that were just downed instead of the already downed some time, never touched any gen, lost some chases, missed some attacks. Overall this wasnt a top tier performance like he thought it was, it was just a good performance and the survivor did their job good too. The 2-2 was a fair result.
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I saw a lot of people bringing these stats to justify the game being killer sided ...
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It's called strategic camping. The Bubba that just mindlessly camps the first person they catch is obnoxious. Any fair minded player understands the difference. If they don't, they can be ignored as they're an idiot.
As for the video, I don't have the time to watch it at the moment. I will point out that there is more to this game then being good at chases. From what I've read in the comments. Aside from a few mistakes, Ardetha did very well. The survivors apparently were smart enough to see they were out matched in chase, and rushed out as quickly as possible.
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Unpopular opinion - Ardetha, even before the Nurse nerf, is a decent killer - but he's only upper mid tier Nurse. There are people far better than him.
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"Ofc let's call out those few possible mistakes killer did and completely ignore those 10 minutes of surviors constantly messing up in any kind of stealth or mindgaming during chases since surviors can do as many mistakes as they want yet still escape."
The David did Houdini him twice though, at very critical moments. That made a huge difference honestly.
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Op did you link wrong video? All I saw was mediocore Nurse player making countless mistakes, even losing survivors in plain sight.
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Pretty much all of this was what I was thinking throughout the video. He kept saying things like "they're all immobilised, they can't do gens" when there were at least 1-3 survivors who could very easily have been working on generators, and then acting shocked when they managed to complete them. Which tells me that his game sense, not to mention his perception of his own skill, is a bit off. Saying "I'm dominating them, there's nothing they can do" over and over doesn't make it true. And the minute-long rant about DS and how he wasn't tunneling and it went off anyway, after he very blatantly tunneled Claudette off the hook, was just a bit baffling to me.
He played well, but he didn't play perfectly. He got a 2K because the survivors were about as good if not better than him, which is how it should be. Although, to be perfectly fair, it did look to me as though he used Thrilling Tremors a fair bit, especially towards the end.
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Top Tier Nurse btw.
If that's top tier then I'm actually godlike.
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You do realize that the survivors always died in seconds in a chase? He cant chase them quicker as he did there, he barely ######### up any blinks and was always doing something, never wasting is time. The only thing that hold him back was the cooldown on the blink.
But ye.. just apply pressure i guess :)
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Ardetha is no doubt one of the best nurses in the game. But his problem is he played abit too nice, he should've tunnel and proxy camp more, then he would get his 4k. He made some poor decisions when to slug and when not, the moment when he hitted the 3th, the david, he should've left him and blink and hook the second downed. There were more poor decisions he made but overall you are right.
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If his inittial strategy had worked, he would have an easy 4k but it didn't. His first mistakes begins with his first down, it was near a hook and he should have hooked nea. Not hooking her means that the survivors that didn't scream didn't let go of the gens because they knew they still had time before nea was near healed. Slugging in the beginning can be a good strategy but in this case it just back fired. I just see a god like nurse player that took bad decisions in the beggining of the match and was punished by that because she faced good survivors that worked on gens whenever they could. Plus, in the end, he just couldn't down david and wasted to much time trying to do it. Basically was punished for not hooking enough because went into the game with the intention of downing everyone and then hook and like I said in the beggining, it would have been easy 4k if it had gone well but it just didn't. Having a bad game doesn't mean it isn't ballanced... how many games did he 4k easily? One game doesn't define anything
You're missing the point that survivors need to do gens and being a good survivor is not equivalent of being a good looper although it helps a lot.
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TL:DR
He was really good with his blinks and he was downing people very fast. However surge wasn't really doing anything for him. With all the momentum he built up Ruin may have been great for him. Or at least run PGTW or Dying Light. Thrilling Tremors just helped him find survivors, it didn't regress or stop people from doing the gens they were already working on. I probably would have tossed in NC so he could see when someone was healing the downed survivors. With those distance add ons he could have made good use of MYC. Though with all the injured he probably didn't need it. Perhaps sloppy butcher?
As good as he was on blinks he had good add ons. The Nurse shouldn't need those add ons to be able to play well. Sadly that's what the devs reduced her too. I feel this vid highlights the core problem with playing killer. You can't pressure EVERYONE at once.
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Good survivors were able to give the best of Nurse's a run for their money prior to her nerf, so those survivors will dumpster the vast majority of Nurse's after it. Not only that but it is simply unrewarding, severely punishing, and unfun to play her now, the emphasis being on unfun. Again, just another example of the devs making the game fun for one side and unfun for the others, instead of considering both sides.
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when did i say apply more pressure?? obviously he didnt do as well as he could have, he played too nice and suffered the consequences. he slugged and they got back up. dozens of mistakes made by him, as well as the survivors. but it only matters when the killer does. bc thats what makes or breaks the game.
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