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4k Double Pip

rhodamia
rhodamia Member Posts: 275

*Not that it's deserved always*

But if you 4k by any means, or 3k with a hatch escape within X amount of time. What if you automatically double pipped as killer? This would do one of two things:

Take killers who are clearly below their rank and fast track them to higher ranks where they belong

Or

Take people who got lucky/Mori etc and fast track them into ranks higher than their skill where they will get bullied for a few games to get pushed back down.

Personally I hate 4k or 3k with hatch and "you won too fast, so black pip"... In the cases where you actually are just too good for your current rank (returning from a break or something) why linger at low ranks for winning too quickly?

Now. I don't mind hanging out at low ranks. Makes me feel like a better killer than I am. I probably belong at rank 7ish. But if I'm black pipping on the regular at rank 15 for killing too fast, that's a bit unfair to the 15s unless I purposely go easy...

On the other hand if you kill too fast due to luck, you will end up in the opposite scenario, where the killer faces survivors with skills beyond the killers. And they will black pip properly (due to lack of kills, pressure, etc).

Just a thought.

End result:

Good killers get to their rank faster

Some killers will be pushed into higher ranks than they belong, giving those survivors an easy game, but pushing the killer back down.

Comments

  • bilaueta
    bilaueta Member Posts: 341

    And also, you can get your adept achievements without having to constantly try again because you got three iridesvents and one gold because "survivors healed to much"

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    Though I'm glad you are on my side, I disagree here. This change shouldn't change achievements or the emblems for ranking. It should simply override them.

    If I 4k and got a bronze in chasing... It's not my fault they sucked at chasing!

    So you still get the same gold, silver, etc. Things at the end. But if you meet certain conditions, you gain the pips regardless.

  • Kagari_Leha
    Kagari_Leha Member Posts: 555

    I think Merciless and 4k shouldnt be related, or we would end up in a full Freddy NOED meta, so meh. However it should always be related to which killer your playing, having a general system for all the killers is stupid because a Spirit/Freddy/Good Nurse dont do the same as a Trapper/Clown/Cannibal, I mean, how are you supposed to pressure gens like a Freddy when you have to put all those traps down in early game.

    So my take is emblems rating should be related to the killer you're playing, not about kill or that, but how you did as THIS killer.

  • bilaueta
    bilaueta Member Posts: 341

    So you mean that the double pip should not be a merciless victory if you 4k'd easily?

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    Hmmm. I'm not sure. I was trying to make the change impact rank correction without impacting other aspects of the game (such as achievements). Though I'm not an achievement Hunter so I don't know the difficulty/struggles.

    The suggestion was proposed for rank gaining and matchmaking purposes only. If the devs decided to have that impact achievements, that would be on them.

  • LetsPlayTogether
    LetsPlayTogether Member Posts: 2,117

    How about no? There is a specific way how to double pip. Do it or not. Noone should be granted easy rank ups just by being a cheap tryhard as killer. and as long you just can tunnel, camp slug and mori survivors, no killer would even know what skill is.

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    Tryhard as killer SHOULD be how you gain rank. Trying. Hard.

    Also you don't get a 4k from camping or tunneling. That's how you get 1-2k.

    Moris will run out.

    I'm saying this from a survivor perspective. It will get high rank killers who run moris and try hard OUT of lower ranks where they don't belong. And push them up faster to places where there will more competition. For them. It is a benefit to everyone.

    If they are tryharding and slugging and doing everything for a 4k and they GET IT. Then perhaps they are better than that rank of survivors. Because TRUST ME. Pump em up in rank. There are some red rank survivors who can show any killer who the real power role is.

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    The killers who know that skill is are the ones who will take it to high ranks and STAY there. The ones who tried so hard last game will just get punished the next game by going against even better survivors. See the pattern I was trying to display? If a killer gets a 4k. Then they need to face better survivors. Because 4k shouldn't be a regular thing. And punishing low ranks by keeping good killers around is unfair to them.

    I can 4k with nurse at rank 15 in just a few minutes. I will black pip or depip. No Mori. No NOED. No camping. And I can do that all day. Why should I have the ability to 4k on repeat without ever being pushed into higher ranks?

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    If it helps, the Adept achievements were designed and implemented at a time when Merciless Victory did mean a 4K. They were never intended to be as difficult as they are now, that was just a side-effect of changing the definition of "Merciless Victory" when the Emblem system was introduced.

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    Well in that case I think it would be good. Maybe... An Ebony Mori on your bloodweb shoudnt result in declaring yourself as an Adept. IDK. Again. Not my call. If the devs wanted to do that. The. They totally could! But I think it would help with matchmaking at a minimum.

  • Clevite
    Clevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Dont you get bored playing survivors so below your skill level. I get that sometimes rank resets happen and take you back further than normal, but why kill people so fast if you are obviously better.

    When that happens you should let them save more and get a lot of hook actions and instead of black pipping you will double pip and get back to a respectable rank for your skill level.

    Just one man's opinion, play how you like. But I get bored if I don't have to sweat a little as killer.

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    That is an option and is totally fine to do! However, if the survivors are just BAD. Like. You see em duckwalk behind a tree while you are carrying someone to a hook. That level of skill. Or 0 jukes (I main nurse) so I'm just not missing a single blink. It's not that I'm SWEATING. They are just... Not good. Lol. And smacking 2x and hooking on repeat doesn't take but a few minutes. And id rather get out of that match anyways.

    I guess the point is, yes. You CAN be nice to the survivors if you want to slowly gain rank in a 10min game. But if you can knock out 2 pips in 3 mins because they took urban evasion and self-care while you have nurses. On nurse. Lol. It would be nice to just put them on hooks and roll on to the next game and gain some rank in the process.

  • Clevite
    Clevite Member Posts: 4,335

    I dont believe you can 4k in a few minutes at rank 15 and not pip. That is probably irredescent in gatekeeper and chaser emblem right?

  • rhodamia
    rhodamia Member Posts: 275

    My chaser was bronze at best (chases didn't last long. Idek if blink hits count as chase)

    If people die on first hook because I have all 4 of them on hooks at the same time. I lose rank there too. I probably actually performed 6 hooks? Total? Took about 2 unhooks before they are all on the ground. There was no BT or DS in this rank. So...

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    You dont "put all those traps down" in early game. You do one or two, and the rest as you go. You dont waste 5 mins searching and placing traps.

  • Clevite
    Clevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Yeah my mistake on chaser. But should get iridescent in gatekeeper and devout. That's 8 points there. Only need 2 to 3 more points to pip. Few more minutes of letting them save and rebook will get u a double pip.