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Why do people Camp or tunnel in dbd
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and we paid money to play as well. its not fun to play against SWFs. its not fun to play if we lose the game because gens pop instantly.
So we tunnel. we run NOED. we run Hex Ruin. we camp sometimes. we do what we can to get kills.
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People camp and tunnel because the game isn't balanced.
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Tunneling: less survivors less pressure to apply
Camping:
1)just for fun
2)because its viable option in some situation
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Ok, so how does deleting me from the game help your cause then, if it will force me away from the game?
I obviously load in as a SOLO with NO ITEM OR INTENT ON GEN-RUSHING.
The argument that someone payed money is invalid because we all did, as I have stated in my own thread. We should all be given a chance to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME.
If the killer camps or tunnels, that survivor has zero chance to play. They payed money, so why shouldn't they have fun? The killer said that they get to because they payed money, why can't I? I didn't fork out several hundred dollars to get beaten over the head by a single player with all the (metaphorical) power.
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Because camping is a part of the game just like doing gens. Deal with it or don't play if you don't like the game.
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Killers camp because they're bad at the game. They can't get kills normally, so they camp. Often they run NoED to get 4ks to feel like they're actually good at the game, but even then one or two people usually escape. It just depends on how altruistic survivors are. They'll say "It's a strategy!" But if they're being honest, it's because they can't get kills any other way. And not just because 'gen speeds are too fast'. That's an excuse. I mean gen speeds are definitely an issue, but camping isn't the only way to get kills.
The exception are people who are memeing. If you go into the basement and haven't seen the killer all game, that's kind of on you.
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you DID have a chance to play the game and you failed when i caught you. you failed to stay hidden. stop blaming me for your mistakes. how i proceed after i caught you is up to me, how you proceed to do before i catch you is up to you.
stop being entitled. im not responsible for your "fun".
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I'm not being entitled, and this isn't about having fun. I literally cannot play the game due to tunnellers.
My chance to play the game was taken away as soon as you decided to only target me.
It's not MY mistake that you can spawn next to me then just target me regardless of perks, map or any other elements of the game.
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It's not fun, but it prevents 5 gens from being done in the first 4 minutes of the game
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what?
You complain that the killer targets you when thats his objective? He's supposed to murder you, i dont think he cares about your feelings about not being able to play when you are hooked. And what if he targets someone else then? then THAT survivors chances of being able to play is taken from him. you can make that argument against any given survivor being targeted by the killer, that is his job.
Whether he decides to tunnel which makes it faster to reduce the number of survivors to 3 (thus easing his game) or just slugging random people he meet is up to him.
it sounds to me like you're just angry that you lost. yea sure you werent rescued but you are not entitled to two rescues before you need to die.
if you die on the first hook, well too bad, be more stealthy next time. Leave the game, find a new game, try again. thats how it is. If you "cant play the game" when you are hooked and complain about that then find another game to play, because being hooked is part of the game. You could make that argument about any given game honestly, like PUBG. "oh no im downed and can only crawl now, you took away my ability to play" NOW FEEL BAD! saying you cant play the game because you lost, makes you a sore loser nothing more nothing less. but you are right, you CANT play the game, because you lost. so find a new match and try again.
besides, killers dont target one person only and then after that person dies, just go to the corner and sit and wait. They may target one guy, kill him, then on to the next. thats as legit as it gets. The only time someone would target you and then not play is if you pissed him off and asked for it.
And Killers dont usually spawn next to survivors, they spawn almost across the map. but even if he did spawn at the nearby gen, you should be able to hide regardless.
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Twenty games in a row. Tunnelled and camped out of the game.
Started with my stealth build. Tried using more of a running build.
I am not angry that I'm losing, I'm deeply frustrated that I cannot play the game. And given the excuse "I payed money for this game, I can play how I want." I PAYED MONEY TOO! I can't even PLAY the game, let alone how I want to!
You know what killers are also meant to do? Protect generators. That's right. Stop the survivors from repairing generators so they can't escape.
This game has bad tutorials, and I like that. But maybe we should all just stop looking at it all at face-value and re-evaluate.
Death in this game should be a punishment for failing your objective. Not for being the first to be found and always locatable.
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no. the job for killers isnt to protect generators its to kill survivors. thats the MAIN job its even described on the tooltips sometimes that summoning the entity is your job. you do that by hooking people. and thus it grant you most BP.
Protecting generators is only useful because it extends the game long enough for us to actually kill you guys, because repairing generators allows YOU to leave. but if no ones doing generators because everyone on the survivor team is a potato then theres no point in protecting them.
Killing survivors is primary, protecting generators is secondary because it extends the game, protecting totems is third, depending on hex totems, can be secondary too. Sure if by protecting generators i can kill more people, then i will do that. but sometimes, tunnelling is the most strategic option so i do that too.
No killer says: i paid money so i can play how i want", we only say that when survivors like you, need us to give you an excuse for why we tunnel you. We're not sorry.
I often camp people when all the generators are done and i dont have a single kill, then survivors start calling me names in the chat afterwards because i got a kill. thats strategic, its not ######### and im not being mean.
If you keep on getting found and cant outrun the killer, then play better what else can i say. Ive never witnessed what you describe and my survivor rank is as high as my killer rank. its exactly the same, yet not once, have i seen myself being tunnelled for several matches in a row. And yes, while i get tunnelled the rest of my team does generators. i will probably die in the end, and sure that sucks. i might not even get many BP for that battle, but thats the CURSE of playing in an assymetrical game like this. you are reliant on teammates who can be potatoes, or in your case, who are unable to outrun killers.
I can really only say ive never ever seen what you describe to such a degree. for me it happens sometimes, but not often. specially not the camping part. And you know what that tells me? your definition of camping and tunnelling someone is vastly different from mine. because i refuse to believe that if i had been in your shoes those 20 matches, i would have considered what happened "tunnelling and camping". i cant tell for sure, because i werent there, but it seems highly unlikely.
Ive had 2 people on hooks right next to each other at all 5 generators left. I "camped" them because they couldnt get far generator wise with only 2 guys doing gens anyway and they were forced to rescue, so why shouldnt i "camp" them? even used deathslinger. Two hooked guy next to each other is the perfect bait. That too, is strategic thats not a dick move, its strategic. you have no right to complain in such a situation. yet of course entitled survivors feel the need to once again, call me names. calling me a camper. but it isnt camping its strategic. i brought up this point to once again say there are clearly different ways you guys see camping contra how i see camping.
What i fail to understand is though, that you know you are unable to play when hooked. and that bothers you. so why do you keep on playing? you will get hooked and you will clearly get hooked a lot untill you become better at hiding. try not to go for altruism points, actually stay low maybe? or go for urban evasion.
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Tunnelled for 18, camped for 2. I can assure you that our definitions should be similar. Moving out of Kindred range for 2 seconds total is camping when it leads to either going to struggle, or dying. Tunnelling is targeting the same person and only hooking them until they die. Or at least they are for me.
More and more killers have also used that line on me lately, but I'm also on Xbox and we don't have Endgame chat.
There also isn't any "play better" when I get all of one chance to practice and usually in unfavourable situations.
You're right that you don't know my games, but it also leads to a problem that just about everyone who "comments" on my issues have: they don't even try to empathise with me or see my point. They don't know my struggles and a lot of them just don't care.
Take my thread The Hillbilly problem as a perfect example, I went "I have played a lot of games against and as Hillbilly and here are my findings, especially regarding his skill floor." and an overwhelming majority argued about skill celing, flicks (especially helpful for a console player!) and high rank gameplay. My points get ignored and people bring in completely different arguments.
As for time on hooks, I KNOW how to play a stealth game, I got to red with a combination of stealth and running. I did it when an overwhelming majority of killers didn't camp and tunnel. If I was given half a chance, I proved myself.
My problem is that in the current gen-rush/tunnel meta, there is no opportunity for me to do anything before I get done in by the killer.
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I had a game the other day where I was playing Kate, I ran the killer around for a little bit. Eventually he knocked me hooked me and camped until I died.
After the game I messaged him why he camped/tunneled me while gens were getting done and he told me, it was because he went against a Kate in his last game with my same outfit that had flash light, pallet stunned and looped him repeatedly. He did apologize tho he said it was because he was salty about the last game and wanted to take the anger out on me since we had the same character and outfit.
While I understand it can be frustrating when a survivor is demolishing you, theres no excuse to entirely ruin another players experience just because someone else ruined yours. If you’re that triggered/salty u need to take a break or switch games.
Makes me wonder how many other tunneling/camping killers have the same experience.
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Camping, if they're not doing it just to get people upset, is useful if survivors keep swarming the hooks, you waste a lot of the survivors time and work towards your goal. Do I like doing it? no, not at all. So while I won't camp, I can see why people would in some scenarios.
Tunneling is the fastest way to do your objective (kill the survivors), unless that changes tunneling will happen. Asking killers not to tunnel is like asking survivors not to do a gen past 30% until they get other gens also to 30%.
This could maybe be changed by giving the survivors as a team, collectively, 8 hooks or something and once 8 hooks have happened at all they all die. No real incentive to tunnel anymore if it worked that way unless you just wanted to be toxic or the survivors unhooked right next to you (guy is still injured while the other is not).
A lot of killers don't consider bloodpoints a win, so it doesn't matter, a lot of killers don't consider pipping a win, so it doesn't matter. For most killers a win is killing all 4 survivors.
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i dont think its so much that people dont see it from your perspective, its just that people dont agree with you. i dont agree with you for instance and we're playing the same game. We play the same game but clearly tunnelling is a big deal to you but not to me. You made it sound like camping was a big problem too, but now you state it only happened in 2 out of 20 games. thats not a lot. at all. thats hardly even a problem worth mentioning.
Meaning your big frustration is tunnelling which many dont agree is a problem given several different reasons.
if i had an opinion stating: I think clown is THE best killer in the game, and i made arguments for why i thought that, that doesnt mean everyone else has to agree. being upset because people dont agree with your opinion isnt the way forward, it simply means that you either see this as a bigger problem than the rest, or this happens to you by chance, more than it happens to others.
which i think statistically speaking doesnt make any sense that it would. That or your way of describing tunnelling is, again, different from mine. i could also as an example make the argument: Survivors pallet loop me 20 battles in a row and i dont like that" and somehow expect people to feel sorry for me but again, i dont think people will. Just because i think its a problem, doesnt mean everyone else has to agree. Survivors sees pallet looping as a valid strategy, just like many killers sees tunnelling as a strategy.
I agree that being face camped sucks when i play survivor, but i also believe that survivors often are part of that problems too. i often get unsafe rescues from people without borrowed time that just wants to farm me. i also often find that survivors dont play together to try and lure the killer away. In short, Camping can suck really really hard. it sucks to be camped, though again, as a person that does play both sides and have equal rank (though im still a killer main) i do believe that camping can be a valid strategy at times. like if you hook 2 people right next to each other. why would anyone leave that? the survivors HAVE to come rescue them so they are simply bait.
Further more i simply cant agree with you that tunnelling is a problem. I see your point, but i dont agree. it sounds entitled that you dont want the killer to go for you but dont mind him going for anyone else.
its a valid strategy and you even have DS or BT to help you out in case you get tunnelled for punishing the killer. The killer needs to kill people, and what faster way can he kill people than by going for the same dude? many times tunnelling doesnt work because different perks kicks in. and you also wont get far by ignoring generators as a killer, but it can, often be beneficial for the killer to tunnel.
You ask for people to see it from your perspective, but have you ever stopped and looked from the killers perspective? Gens flying left and right and you have only limited time to kill people. so naturally many killers think tunnelling is the fastest way to do this. and it can be, without DS and BT, but doesnt have to be. Tunnelling can go very wrong, but also very right. and if it helps him, why shouldnt he do it? why shouldnt he use a strategy that is completely valid (even devs said so) and can help him achieve his goals?
I get tunnelled too when i play survivor, but i dont complain about it. i understand it. When i know he's looking for me i simply dont do generators for a little minute because i know hes looking for me. then the moment he starts going for someone else the tunnelling is effectively over because now he have different targets.
Also this isnt about you. Because once hes done tunnelling you, he will move on to the next. he doesnt personally tunnel you, he tunnels the next person after as well. Although sometimes removing simply 1 survivor makes everything else less stressful so he might not tunnel then.
Developers said this game is balanced around 2 survives, 2 dies. If you die in all your 20 battles but some people survive in your games? then the problem sounds like its you, not your team. but it could also be your team thats just a bunch of potatoes.
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We could all write at length the bad points and why it shouldn’t be done. Fun,boring,waste of time etc etc.
The bottom line though is some players play this way simply because they want too for various reasons or it feels beneficial to their end goal. At the end of the day it is their game to play how they wish and it has always been part of what DBD is.
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Short answer: its effective if survivors feed into it.
Or, they're just doing it to intentionally farm salt messages.
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Try that against a bubba. That's just free bodies.
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Styptic agent, wait til cooldown after taking hit , friend sneaks in with bt
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Killers tend to camp and tunell because those are viable and working tactics. It's much harder to win as killer on high ranks without commiting to camping and tunelling, so killers just tend to do these things.
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gets a insidious bubba with Carburettor Tuning Guide and The Beast's Marks with noed iron grasp and has hex ruin hanging a survivor near his totem*
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