Doctor!
He didn't even need a buff, he was already a pain in my as* to beat, after his buff, he's even a worse pain in my as* to counter now, instead of buffing characters like Doctor, fix those goddamn hitboxes!!
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If anything he needed a huge ass nerf
Who actually asked for any buffs to the doctor? Besides doctor mains, of course..
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They keep buffing the wrong characters man, hitboxes are all broken, vault a window or run, I get hit 2 meters behind, like seriously, buff like Ghostface or idk and those hitboxes ffs they are pissing me off..
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That static blast half way across the map every minute is a joke, can't even loop him as much anymore, kills ur exhaustion perks and can't vault, pallet drop or even get someone off the hook for 3 seconds...
I said to maself i would never complain about killers again until i saw this doc post 😂
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Like 95% of the community wanted Doctor buffs. Have you two been living under a rock for the past couple of years or so?
Also until his rework, there weren't a lot of Doctor mains out there. His rework increased his popularity by a good amount.
Maybe I can help you out.
Static Blast is tied to his terror radius, which is 32 meters at base. You must be on a lot of small maps or facing a lot of Doctors with multiple terror radius increasing effects.
He lost the add-on that applied Exhaustion.
As for looping him and his shock stun, do not camp pallets or vaults. Keep going around them until you have to drop the pallet or have an opportunity to safely vault. If he's preventing you from getting an unhook, then that means you're feeding a camper and you should just leave the Survivor so you rush the gens or he chased you there, which is just bad luck for you and your teammate.
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That's definitely not biased coming from a doctor main.
By 95% of the community you mean 95% of people who play doctor or main killer, actually. All made up and biased statistics. It means nothing.
Here's something that's true and actually objective.
I met a lot of friends (well over 20 people) on dbd and some of us party up and play a few games everyday.
Nearly all of them have complained how the doctor is their least favorite killer to go up against, and that he needs a nerf.
Some of my friends are also strong killer mains so take that information how you will.
Here's another objective piece of information. I've looked at polls and or posted discussions and looking at all of the replies and votes, doctor is among one of the top 3 most hated killers to play against.
#1 being freddy.
I think he can use a nerf cause honestly.. The majority of survivors do not enjoy playing against him AT ALL.
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"Here's something that's true and actually objective."
Please stop using words if you don't know what they mean, anecdotal evidence from a sample size of 20 people (who are your friends, and thus may be inclined to agree with you anyway) is not "objective" in any way, shape, or fashion.
Also "least favorite" and needs a nerf are two different things.
"Some of my friends are also strong killer mains so take that information how you will."
Oh nice appeal to authority. Well I'm a rank 1 killer main and I say Doctor needed a QoL buff forever, his stance dancing was clunky at the very least, so "take that information how you will".
"Here's another objective piece of information. I've looked at polls and or posted discussions and looking at all of the replies and votes, doctor is among one of the top 3 most hated killers to play against.
#1 being freddy."
Citation please.
Seriously, if you wanna argue an opinion go for it, but stop talking like your opinion is somehow "objective" or "true" when you have absolutely no clue what those words even mean.
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I can't take someone with a fresh account serious on these forums.
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Hes not as good as you think. He still suffers from long chases, so if you learn to exploit that your games will be much easier against him. Doctor only really counters stealth gamers. I am not a stealth gamer, so I don't struggle against Doctor.
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20 people out of a community of millions.
I take it you're pretty new to the game. Doctor was almost always said to be low or mid tier and had a lot of problems. There was a lot of hype surrounding his changes. While I can't give you an exact percentage, I can give a pretty good guess using my memory.
Also have you only looked at or posted polls and discussions on the forums? There's a lot more platforms out there where people discuss the game. Doctor is also supposed to make you go crazy. That's what the devs want. Even then, people aren't saying he's OP. They just don't like going against him. Every game is going to have a type of enemy that players do not like. Doctor and Freddy just happen to be those types of enemies.
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Thanks for the help, and aye i pretty much get him on Gideon or haddonfield which i guess are small maps, ngl he was really slow movin when i first played him, and i think he at least deserved the movement speed adjusted, it's not so much a nerf he needs, he's just annoying
I play mostly swf, but still will try for that save with BT for a random, i don't mind if i get hit trying to unhook then the one that comes off the hook will take that BT hit
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He needed a buff but I'm not completely sure about where he's at right now. I've mostly been playing survivor since I've been back in the action so I'm not on my killer 'A' game but I've had some teams do pretty good against me and I feel like I've made some progress playing against him myself. He forces you to move around a lot and you can't treat loops the same as you would with most killers. People hide near the hook to get saves way too often when they could be on a gen or doing anything more useful than grabbing someone shortly after the killer walks away and I like that he might be slowly breaking people out of that bad habit. I have a hunch but i'm not sure yet so I won't contribute to unneeded buffs or nerfs as people have done many times before they've even had much of a chance to fully understand new killers and perk.
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They should've left him how he was, decreasing madness over time, not staying at the same goddamn spot until he shocks you again, like no
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I think nobody that complains here played against the original impossible skillchecks doc.
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I never saw these bait memes until this forum, and I feel like I've missed out on so much.
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Bait. Doctor was ######### garbage before the rework.
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Doctor. . . . Who?
Sorry, I had too.
Honestly, I don't know why he was buffed recently. I do wish they would explain their reasoning, to a lot of things.
Unless you're referring to his rework. Because he really needed that rework.
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I'm sorry but I stopped reading whatever you said after 20 people out of a community of millions.
You expect me to personally know and meet millions of people on a video game?
They were 20 people I BARELY met too. I didn't coach them to say they hate doctor. I didn't even bring up doctor.
It's just people I meet playing survivor and I invite them in voice chat sometimes and they initiate the "doctor needs a nerf" stuff.
I mean that is nearly everyone I've played doctor with and they all hate doctor which is funny to me but I guess I need to have 1 million friends in voice chat all saying "I hate doctor and he needs a nerf" for my argument to be valid enough for these doctor mains over here lmao
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You're acting like "true" and "objective" are big boi words that you only learn in college. Maybe for you, I guess.
I don't see the point of your salty reply though. Apparently you didn't even read my reply properly even though you put it in quotes word for word.
1. I didn't say they were my close friends or anything nor did I say that I coached them to say anything about the doctor first. It's objective cause they were still strangers cause I literally met them in dbd and on the same day they initiated the conversation of how they wish the doctor would get nerfed.
2. You're rank 1 killer well good for you. Why are you even here with the amount of bias you have?
3. If you wanna argue your point like for example if you don't think doctor needs a nerf, explain why. You don't have to go for the "I'm gonna be toxic and salty and not really say anything of value" gimmick
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The way you wrote it sounded like those 20 people meant everything and that Doctor objectively needed a nerf because they said so. Of course you don't need to personally meet a million people, but those people's opinions mean nothing if a community of millions is disagreeing with them.
Also, you should never stop reading a post before you get to the end. You might miss some key information.
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THE HEAVY IS A SPY!
Right. Were was I? Oh yeah!
Doctor is strong now, he is also a PRESSURE killer, meaning that you always feel his presence and anxiety from the fact that he will always know where you are.
And you are completely right.
Drop the pallet early or change direction when his hand waves. Shock avoided.
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I mean they're not big boi words, at least I don't think so, but since you can't use them correctly maybe they're beyond your reach I guess? I don't really know, and what's with the "college" remark? I learned what those words meant in high school guy, maybe you should have too?
The point of my reply was stop treating your opinion based on some supposed contributions from 20 total strangers as some kind of objective evidence to support your claim, cause that's not how ANYTHING works.
Watch this is how easy it is to do what you did.
"Well I talked to 30 of my friends and they all said Doctor was totally underpowered and desperately needed a buff, and since 30 of my friends said I must be right"
Anyone can make up that kind of crap, there's no way to verify, there's no way to test the data, it's not objective, it's literally your word the event even happened, so again, stop treating it like it's gospel and learn the difference between your opinion and what an objective fact is.
Now onto the other part that went completely over your head.
When you say something like this:
"Some of my friends are also strong killer mains so take that information how you will."
That's an appeal to authority fallacy. In other words those players are good at killer so they must be telling the truth about what killers needed nerfs and buffs. First off just cause someone is a killer main doesn't mean they know anything about Doctor, particularly considering pre-rework he was very underplayed, and second off, just cause they're killer mains doesn't make their opinion automatically valid on any topic anyway.
So I pointed out this by making my own nonsensical appeal to authority statement.
"Well I'm a rank 1 killer main and I say Doctor needed a QoL buff forever, his stance dancing was clunky at the very least, so "take that information how you will""
My statement is just as fallacious, just because I'm rank 1 doesn't give my opinion any more weight than anyone else's, the difference was I wasn't under the delusion that my opinion was anything other than AN OPINION. Your passing off your friends who are killer mains opinions as fact, which is incorrect.
You are dense man, like this shouldn't have been that hard to grasp unless you're 12 or something.
Also this statement makes no sense.
"You're rank 1 killer well good for you. Why are you even here with the amount of bias you have?"
Um, by this logic wouldn't your killer main buddies opinions also be incredibly bias? Since it seems in your opinion the only pre-requisite for automatic bias is being skilled at killer?
"3. If you wanna argue your point like for example if you don't think doctor needs a nerf, explain why. You don't have to go for the "I'm gonna be toxic and salty and not really say anything of value" gimmick"
I said plenty of value,the fact that you're too dense to get it isn't my problem. I encapsulated the whole thing in this statement:
Stop pretending your opinion is fact, it isn't, it's opinion just like mine and everyone else in this forum. You don't get some kind of extra authority over people claiming your opinion is "fact" or "true" you just come off looking like an idiot.
Your welcome.
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ooh boi i have gotten to love this picture with the Doc rework...
also, just a question but what exactly are you referring to here with the "hitbox fix"?
- M1 attacks?
- Ranged attacks?
- the general size and shape of hitboxes?
cause i dont think you are aware of what a hitbox change would mean for this game.
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But there's not millions disagreeing and saying the doctor doesn't need a nerf.
Please do summon this army of a million people for me now
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OP, you realize jungle gyms still exist, right? Unless you're going against a sniper Doc, jungle gyms will render his power useless, as it does with many other killers. And even with sniper Doc, you have two signs of him about to use his shock therapy. Sound and sight. You will hear static and see him clenching his fist, this gives you plenty of time to dodge his shock therapy, which also renders his power useless. And now this may come off as arrogance, but even TL's are super effective against Doc, I can last 15 seconds alone on a single TL. Just get better at looping and you won't have much of a problem with Doc. All his power really does is just give him constant information, and for any survivor to complain about a killer getting constant information is a blatant hypocrite, since OoO and SWF exist, as well as Bond, Empathy, Kindred, etc.
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Pretty much everything, killer is way behind me and still hits me out of nowhere without bloodlust
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Are you two talking about the rework to him, or the buffs that happened in the deathslinger patch, after he was reworked?
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Dude you are so freaking laughable. Anyone who speaks up for the Doctor is immediately a Doctor main in your eyes. Anyone who disagrees with you that Doc needs some huge nerfs has to be a Doctor main. Any normal player has to hate Doctor, or he is clearly a Doctor main.
And then, if that's not enough, you accuse people defending Doc of using their own, biased statistics, and then state that you heard from like 20+ people that you played with that they all hate Doctor, and call that an objective piece of information? What?
Can't deal with the fact that people actually like Doctor, and that some people don't have a problem going against him or actually enjoy going against him? Of course not, because that might mean you are just not that good at going against him, or that your opinion isn't shared by everyone, and we can't have that, right?
But sure, nerf any killer to the ground that have even just a slightly higher amount of people that don't enjoy going against them than other killers. Let's see how you'll enjoy your survivor queue times then.
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Even though I disagree with op, nobody should dismiss someone's opinion just because they have a fresh account. Anyone has the right to voice their opinion on these forums, even if they are new too the game. And a fresh account doesn't mean they are actually new to the game.
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This is the one poll on the forum that has been made recently regarding which killer is the least fun to go against: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/134293/what-is-the-least-fun-killer-to-play-against/p1
Doctor is tied with Clown on the 4th place.
Just imagine every killer getting a nerf because they received more votes than the average killer on polls like that. Legion has the second place, just imagine if he would get another nerf, lol.
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Yeah I figured a poll did exist, I was just pointing out old Murdle's misunderstanding of what "objective" and "true" mean when you don't list any evidence to back up a claim and then wanna spout off like your opinion is somehow superior to everyone else's strictly because you say it is or you say "well I talked to 20 people and they said this so I must be right" nonsense.
That poll is interesting cause it does illustrate that mob rule is not how to balance killers. As you said, Legion got second place clearly for his annoyance factor, which admittedly is still rather high, but as a viable killer the poor edgy gang is at the bottom of every tier list imaginable along with Bubba and Clown.
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Yeah I agree. I can't believe he actually accuses all people that think Doc is fine of being Doctor mains, and that they use their own, biased statistics, and then continues stating that these 20+ people who hate Doc are objective statistics. Like what the actual hell?
Also, many people that I see on these forums that say they find Doctor unfun to go against even admit that they don't think he is op, just annoying to go against. And I definitely wouldn't mind if the devs tried to make some changes to Doc to make him less annoying for those people.
But using that for your own goal of getting Doctor nerfed to the ground is just ridiculous.
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Had a conversation with another person on this forums about this a few days ago. I believe you participated as well regarding being able to "avoid" certain killers, and the question came up whether people would pick to avoid killers they found annoying, or killers that are considered by the community to be OP. As we went back and forth I realized that in a game like DBD where there is no demarcation between ranked and un-ranked play the player base would probably split down the middle. 50% would avoid killers they find annoying but not OP, and 50% would strictly avoid ones that the player base has decided are OP.
It's kind of like the bans you would see in league of legends in normal vs. solo/duo queue. Normal queue bans were all over the place since people didn't really care about winning and losing, they were usually just banning counter picks to the champion they were planning to play and practice with, and the overall game didn't really matter. In ranked players would either dodge or rage on someone who didn't ban the flavor of the month overpowered champions, and thus most of the time the bans were identical game after game.
Either way the point is clear that you can't use mob rule to determine balance in a game, it's just a recipe for disaster.
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They should buff the clown tbh
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Listen everyone, I want the doctor as it was before Deathslinger came to the game (madness decreasing overtime) you can keep current mechanics but make it madness decreases that's all, Clown really needs a buff but I don't know where he could get buffed?
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The clown was buff a long time ago. He is proof from way back when. "Academically, he was unremarkable, coasting by on his significant athletic prowess. He grew tall and strong, excelling at track events, but shunned any attempts to coax him into team sports."
He does need to be buffed somehow in-game though.
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Umm what? With distressing and addons you can increase his terror radius to 60 meters.
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I see what you did there 😉
In terms of gameplay though, I feel that he does need a buff.
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I do agree that he needs a buff 😄
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Fresh account usually means they just come here to troll or bait people, they have no credibility whatsoever that's why I can never take these types of posts serious because it happens so often on these forums it's nothing new.
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Key words: at base, meaning no perks or add-ons are active.
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"OF COURSE YOU THINK I'M A DOCTOR MAIN. NO I'M NOT. JUST CAUSE I THINK THE DOCTOR SHOULDN'T GET A NERF??"
literally has doctor profile pic
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After 567 baby survivors complaining about a killer cuz they want an easy counter (I learned how to counter him on my first match against him, without ANYONE teaching me) I don't care to say why they are wrong
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Pretty much as expected. You completely ignore what I wrote in my post and twist my words so you can make some kind of reply.
I was not speaking about myself anywhere in my post. I just said that it's ridiculous how you accuse anyone of being a biased Doc or killer main when they defend Doctor. No where in my post do I mention myself. And yeah, Doctor is one of my most played killers in this game, but he's not the only one, I play enough other killers as well.
It's whatever though. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but dismissing anyone's opinion who defends Doctor is just sad, really.
I honestly doubt BHVR is stupid enough to give the Doctor any significant nerf, especially since they just reworked him and made him actually viable a few months ago. Some very small nerfs and changes in general to make him a bit less annoying for those that dislike going against him, that's likely and would probably be good, but surely nothing more.
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Doctor, doctor give me the news
I got a bad case of lovin you
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