How things just feel unfair
I make it short. I personally are kinda sad about the fact, that it kinda doesn't matter how good I am, aslong one survivor has a key, they can escape without really doing anything.
I am not mad at the survivors that they escaped and that without playing good. Like a chase was just 15-30 seconds long. And they wouldn't escaped without a key.
I am just mad about the fact, that keys are so strong. Like I already said in another thread: I just wish that...
...Keys have a channeling time. Like you need 5 seconds to open the hatch. So you still have the possibility to escape due the hatch as a team, but without jumping through it in my face with a tbag. Because that would already help so much.
How do you guys think about the situation?
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I feel both keys and moris need to be removed, and are one of the sole reasons to toxicity in this game.
If you can't escape without a key, you're most likely a poor player. Same with killers and moris.
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"Without really doing anything" is a bit of a stretch. Unless they're the last survivor alive, they have to complete most of their objective in order for the hatch to even spawn, and then they have to find it before you find them. Perhaps there are adjustments that could be made to keys, but key escapes not actually as easy to pull off as many people seem to think.
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Survivors have to do all 5 Generators to be able to use a key... that is not exactly "not doing anything". Why do people treat the key like it is a free win?
On top of that, it is surprising me when Killer mains complain about a key when they have Ebony Mori. That thing is basicly a free win, but not the key (down one person, tunnel him off the hook, make the game early a unwinable 3v1 situation, gg)
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Just make moris like super ultra rare addons and delete keys altogether.
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You don’t have to do all 5 gens for a key to be used the more in the team that die the less gems need to be done before the hatch appears. So if you team isn’t that good you can use a key without doing much. When a killer takes out 3 of 4 and they only got two gens done and the killer closes the hatch but it gets opened with a key that’s a free win. Survivors did little killer did everything they were supposed to and yes I’ve seen that happen from both sides.
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That only if everyone is alive. Only 4 gens are needed for three survivors. Three gens need to be done for two and well a single survivor left, it doesn't matter how many gens are done, the hatch will spawn if only a single survivor is left.
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I know that survivors need to repair some generators, but we all know that is like nothing. Especially on big maps as a 4.4 m/s killer.
It is like doing dogshit compared to the killer, just saying. And yes, moris are nearly the same bs with the keys. But atleast you need to get hooked, u know. And yes, just because I don't use moris doesn't mean the problem is not their. So I guess you can go both ways:
Fact is: Moris and Keys need atleast some changes. But I wouldn't recommend deleting them.
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I am well aware of that, but again, this is far from almost no effort.
Sidenote: One of the achievements i still miss is 4 people escape through hatch. While i have to admit i almost never bring a key, in those probably 10.000 games as survivor, it should have at least happen a few times, but it did not. On the other side, how often does a killer get a 4K with an ebony? Honestly, most of the time if he brings one. It is so easy to pull off.
I also almost never see someone of my team escpae with a key, maybe once in 20 games, if even. And as a killer, this is also not happening to me at all. I deeply remember this one game where 3 people escaped with a key. I was playing the Pig on Groaning Storehouse and the hatch was in the middle of the street...this is over a year ago, it never happend again. Every once in a while there is maybe one person that escapes with a key, but at that point, the game was already won for me, so i could not care less.
Keys might need some adjustments, since apparently they are a problem for some people for whatever reason, so a 5 seconds delay before you can open it would not be the end of the world for survivors. On the other side... again.. we have moris, and those are really gamebreaking.
What do you think about that?
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I love that I'm actually seeing some sensible things being said here.
I know they've already been said but I was gonna say them anyway so... The survivors don't need to complete all gens to use a key. That's simply wrong. On top of that, the first few gens are always going to be the easiest to complete because there's no way, even as the most mobile killers, to guard every single gen at all times very well. It simply isn't going to happen against good survivors, especially in a SWF. So I agree with the part that there's situations where a key can lead to a free win without having to do anything, and I too have seen it from both sides.
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At that point, who cares? One guy escapes via the hatch and you got a 3k. I think that's a win in most people's perspective.
Ebony mori is much more powerful than a key. That also promotes an unfun tactics, usually a tunneling and mori off first hook.
You want the keys give up the ebony mori. And I will even agree that cypress mori becomes basekit.
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Make it so the hatch can only spawn if there is 1 survivor on the map and change it so the hatch can only be open by the Skeleton Key (Pink Key).
Change Mori's so that they can only kill on Death hook.
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Remove them both. Period.
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The point I was making is some people can key escape just hiding and not doin gens to help out I’ve seen it in games. Some people actually do work hard for key escapes but others don’t so you can say everyone works hard for them. I personally don’t use keys or any of the Mori options besides rancor when I started on spirit. I wouldn’t mind if either were taken out of the game. I’ve also never got the 4 people escape thru hatch done with anyone else bringing a key in or finding a key I have had a match where the killer should have killed everyone but another survivor found a key did a hook rescue and opened the hatch. The killer then closed it but I knew where they were and used a key I found to reopen it and escape even tho the killer outplayed all of us we just got lucky.
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delete moris and keys
nobody who really plays this game will be sad
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I never said I wanted the keys and said in another post I wouldn’t mind if either key and Mori were gone. Also didn’t complain about one person escaping was just sayin stuff I had seen as killer and survivor in matches and how I’ve seen other survivors not do anything the entire match basically but hide and escaped. When I play killer idc how many kills I get as long as I had fun playing the game that’s what matters to me sometimes I play better sometimes survivors do the fun and bloodpoints are all I really care about.
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Keys: Require no (maybe minimal) effort and can change the game in an instant
>Working as intended
Moris: Require minimal effort and can change the game in an instant
>Working as intended
Gearhead: Literally a watered down bastard child of surveillance and discordance
>Overpowered and would break the game upon release, needs a nerf
>Big brain balance team
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I reread your post and you do state that you believe keys are too strong. You also state you wish they were nerfed, and needed time to open the hatch as opposed to how they are now.
Which is why I was pointing out that an ebony is stronger than a key.
If your mad at a survivor for getting out using a key, that you feel didn't do anything. That is not the fault of the key, but more a complaint against crappy teammates that get lucky at the end. This will not often be the case.
You also asked what do we think. I was telling you what I think. That is as long as ebony is a thing, keys are fine. Get rid of ebony and you can have keys. Just my thoughts, which you asked for.
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ngl, it's pretty easy
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Nah moris are cool. Killers are power role so its ok if they murder survivors. But survivors have enough second chances with perks....and well they already get three chances if you play how everyone wants so they don't need keys.
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C'mon now, ebony is op and often unfun. I have faced very few killers that actually use it on death hook, which I can respect. But mostly it's just tunnel dude down, mori him, rinse and repeat.
Keys counter mori. At least at some point you can find the hatch and escape the tunneling mori killer by finding hatch and not sitting on gens like a lame duck with no counter.
Also I am fine with ivory, and all for cypress being basekit.
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Again you survivors are making up your own rules that killers have no need to listen to. Why would you equip an addon that lets you kill people early and then only use it when the person is going to die on a hook anyways? No duh killers are gonna kill you as soon as they can. It's their job.
Survivors don't need an early escape when the hatch already exists and even if that closes you most likely still have a 50/50 to escape. Sure the key will "counter" the mori, but you shouldn't be able to. You are suppposed to be weak and vulnerable hence why there are more of you. If you want all this power and made up rules then you might as well make the game 4 killers and 4 survivors.
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Not you survivors, my friend. I have 7 devotions as killer. Only 1 as survivor. I switched recently.
We are not entitled to an escape. We just want to play the game. Not get tunneled and moried right out from the start. Which in my opinion is the lowest skill a killer can demonstrate. That is why I have 112 ebonys. I choose not to use them because of how unfun they are.
Same reason I dont run ds as a survivor.
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Where did I ever in my post say keys are to strong or ask for a nerf or even ask for everyone’s opinion. I said some ppl can escape without doin much same also goes with a killer and a Mori they can win without doing much. All I was saying about the keys is it’s not always hard work to escape with one that’s not sayin they are to strong or need a nerf that’s staying a fact I’ve seen in games and also didn’t say I was mad at crappy teammates. Your confusing me with other ppl as another post from someone else on here talks about adding time to open not how they do now with insta open. I said get rid of both then maybe ppl can stop complaining maybe re reread my posts again I never ask for nerfs or say things are op I always say it’s a game I try to have fun and that’s it.
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Oh, I'm sorry. You are right. I was reading op's post. Sorry for the confusion. I assumed that was who replied.
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Keys are not as strong as ebony Mori’s though. They need to remove ebony Mori’s imo. Those aren’t fair to people who want to actually play the game and get something out of their time playing it 🤦🏽 Keys require survivors to do their job still, unlike ebony Mori’s. I think your Mori is stronger sir. Just another biased complaint ☹️
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Keys needing a nerf shouldn’t even be a post. Ebony Mori’s need a nerf. They should require everyone to be hooked at least once before it becomes active. It’s too ez in its current state that it ruins the experience for everyone 😄
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We're having a current discussion about this on another post. I don't get why people think a key is an automatic win when it isn't, compared to the Ebony Mori. Not saying that's a guarantee either, but the success rate is much higher than the key.
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The irony is that you all don't realize that most killers bring an Ebony Mori WHEN you all bring a key.. In order to stop the use of the key.
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Yeah I see I quoted the wrong person in my original post. Once again sorry for the confusion!
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Yeah I see I quoted the wrong person in my original post. Once again sorry for the confusion!
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It’s all good just wanted to clear things up I had to reread what I had wrote to make sure I didn’t say the wrong things
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