How am i meant to save this guy?
so how am i meant to save this poor little dwight
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I think this is reportable...
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By not just standing there? Do the gens quickly and leave. EGC finishes the match eventually.
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If the killer decides to remove a person from the game, more than likely, that person is gone. Like peanits said, that is reportable and im not sure what that dweet did to deserve that, if anything, but that killer gives killers a very bad name.
Please don't generalize this behavior with ALL killers.
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May be off topic but how come when ever a killer does something bad, it's defended with "I don't know what the survivor did" implying the survivor somehow deserved it?
It's probably one of the two, the player is a twitch streamer or, the killer caught them breaking that totem and decided they'd ruin that persons match for no reason.
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I in no way defended that behavior. I even added 'if anything' onto my statement. However, you have to admit that some survivors can act in such a way as to purposely get under a killers skin. Or, maybe the killer just really hates dwight. I know if i find myself in a position to kill any 2 survivors or let 1 go, if theres a claudette, she dies.
I am not condoning that behavior in the least
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Use that evidence and file a report, as well as filing an in-game report. As shown in the Screenshots, and what Peanits said, this is reportable since it was happening since before the EGC. There's nothing you can do to save THIS baby dweet but you can stop it happening to other baby dweets in the future.
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You don't save them
the entity does😂
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to be fair all gens are done, and killer could be waiting for ds to run out
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Did y'all report and send to the devs?
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Wow.
I'd have thought that since the game can end normally (survivors open gate, escape, EGC kills that person), this would have been a non-issue.
Then again, you never know the ins and outs of the rules around here - I tried for a week straight to get a ruling on AFK Wraith in the past without any reply :-/
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Dr. Weir
Event Horizon
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Is this the definitive stance on the legality of blocking people to let EGC kill them? It's reportable if started before EGC begins?
I don't really mind if it's done with all gens done or something, but I totally agree it should be heavily discouraged to do it early game even though it's not technically taking the game hostage indefinitely. But it would be nice to have a definitive answer.
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"Oh man, I'm sick of killers blocking people in the endgame and taking the game hostage."
*adds EGC to force an end to game*
"We're still going to ban that fool, though."
If no one opened a gate and the killer never moved, would everyone be reportable?
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That's another thing I do wonder actually. In such a situation, is any side expected or obligated to be the one to make the game move on? Seems sorta like the old hatch stalemate if neither side is in the wrong if they refrain from taking any actions that move the game towards an end 😄
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I'm sure we'll get an answer...."soon."
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That sucks for the survivor. Make sure you report the killer. We don't need killers like that.
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Just had a Wraith do the same thing to another survivor, cornering them and not moving, so there was nothing we could do. We finished the gens, left and the survivor died because of the endgame collapse. Not sure why any killer would find this fun and in the case I mentioned, the Wraith did not even hit or chase anyone, found the other survivor, cornered them and that was it. I reported them, but nothing is going to happen.
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Spots like this is why I still believe AFK Crows should give soft collisions so survivor can just phase through killer. That way hostage situations would be less likely to need to be reported by standard gameplay without bugs, it would save time sifting through reports for mods and it would be less of a headache for players.
Plenty of reportable stuff in game that could be solved with a simple approach. Absolutely no reason in standard gameplay a survivor should be trapped in a spot for over 30 seconds. Therefore giving them soft collisions shouldn't interrupt standard gameplay. The mori spam was changed I have no clue why this wasn't addressed first because this is clearly a bigger issue. At least with Mori Spam they bled out and the game would end. Yet for some reason this is still in game with no fix?
tl;dr - The moment a survivor has a crow on their head they should slowly be able to push through a killer at around 1/4 the max movement speed. It forces the killer to act and it avoids the hassle of needing to report people.
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lol that dwight put himself in that situation. That does NOT happen on accident.
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Might have been going for a last second cleanse where he was willing to take a hit but the Hag ends up just standing there. I've seen a few situations where this has happened just because a survivor commits to a totem or other objective.
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IIRC there is a trick with items where you can drop/pick up the item repeatedly to break your collision. IDK if that would have helped here, but I remember someone telling me that's how you get past a killer that would body block the basement stairs before they patched it.
Just take screenshots/clips of it, rush gens, trigger EGC, and then report the killer at the end of the game.
IMO BHVR should have a killer's collision break if they don't move more than 1m after 30s. There is valid reason to bodyblock in the corner if you are like Plague or Billy, as long as you use it to get the insta-down on the guy there's no fault. But there is 0 reason to sit there all game like that. There's never a tactical benefit to it, it's always to troll.
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This is why I keep saying AFK crows should get rid of collisions. Shouldn't need to exploit gimmick game mechanics just to avoid a troll killer ruining the game. They shouldn't even be given that opportunity in the first place the game should have these people in mind and prevent issues BEFORE they happen rather than after the fact.
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I had this happen to me last night. The killer blocked me in with 2 gens left, and kept me there until both gens were done, then hit me with noed, then took me to the basement and camped me.. I was pissed. I did nothing to deserve that. No flashlights, no pallet stuns, nothing. I guess they were just desperate for a kill. as a killer main myself, that kind of gameplay disgusts me.
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Yea this would work too. However I could see survivors abusing this in some cases by purposely going AFK for 60 seconds then doing some dumb trick with it. I think it would make more sense to break killer's collision if they don't move a small distance for a period of time, because there's no way they could abuse that.
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Very fair point on purposely going afk granted they'd have to waste 60 seconds doing nothing. However I'm just glad it seems more people are coming to the conclusion that this can be fixed so players don't need to deal with this in the first place.
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The killer is holding the game hostage for the Dwight. He cant do anything and if he does dc then he gets his match making locked.
So try again
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This is not a smart way to get your kill. This is a lazy way to get a kill.
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Wait what do you mean before the end game collapse does it mean you could bodywork after the collapse starts? I remember a post similar to this a while back about a wraith or myers who bodyblocked a survivor on a one man gen on either haddonfield or badham and you said its reportable i know the egc timer didn't start but I'm curious.
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Survivors flame killers, killers flame survivors... and round and around we go.
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Thank you did not know it was reportable this happens a lot so i will report next time!
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Now, I'm not advocating the behavior by this Hag in any way. Body blocking a survivor in a corner is horse #########, BUT, I think when saying "it's reportable because the EGC hasn't started yet", one needs to keep in mind that the generators were done, and the gates were more than likely 99'd. So that's a bit of a touchy judgement call that could theoretically go both ways. Since the EGC not being on was all down to a survivor strategy.
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If only this issue could be solved by simply forcing a no-clip on the killer if he hasn't moved in his 1 meter radius for 1 minute. "bUt wHaT AbOuT EnD GaMe cOlLaPsE? i hAvE To cAmP ThE LaSt sUrViVoR" Code it so it doesn't happen once EGC is triggered. Mind blown, huh?
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If the killer goes AFK this way there is nothing that can be done but turn away and escape. The devs continue to ignore this behaviour. I get that it is a reportable offense, but why it is still in the game after all this time, allowing it to happen, is dumbfounding.
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And not to mention the clickbaity videos that we'd see if that had happened to one of our "beloved" killer mains like fals3Talent or SadDarva
"GETTING BULLIED BY A FENG"
"ME vs. EXPLOIT SWF"
"THIS SHOULD'NT BE A THING"
"PRETTY GOOD JOB SO FAR"
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Well what a sad thing to see. If you're the survivor and your team doesn't trigger EGC anytime soon you're stuck waiting or have to dc and get a ban/ lose points. Looks like a nasty gameplay move from the killer; might be pissed off about that totem or something but blocking another player come on... Just try to down and hook him, even with sabo those hooks regenerate after 30 sec you know. I play both sides so I don't get such a move from anyone, it doesn't get more boring than this. I'm curious if reporting this would help or if there needs to be a big stack of reports first...
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As a notorious idiot for finding dead-ends or choosing the incorrect path to take, I can say I've had this happen to me on more than one occasion. Oddly twice by two different leatherfaces who just revved their chainsaw on-off without ever downing me for the rest of the duration of the game. I've seen some interesting suggested fixes to prevent long-term body blocking, but since none of those currently exist? ... I still agree that opening the gates and starting the collapse is the way to go.
I guess how the Dwight feels about it kind of depends on his seriousness of the game. I'll admit I usually play in a 2-person SWF with my buddy, and when I've gotten cornered like that I'm usually dramatically shouting over the microphone "oh god it's over, they're taking me alive, leave me, tell my wife" ... so regardless of the behaviour being acceptable or not acceptable, just hope the Dwight has a sense of humour to make the best of it. Well, and also just open the gates once you see the situation is hopeless.
... though as a Dwight main myself, I feel like I have a kinship for that bloke in the screenshot. Ahh, my brother in stupid-corner-decisions.
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This is probably the best post here. Aren't the survivors reportable for a hostage game?
I demand consistency, BHVR. Not balance, not fairness. Only consistency, and this is not consistent.
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I don't understand what the bag did is wrong? If a survivor hides in a corner that was there choice. Slugging and allowing to bleed out is part of the game. Why should the hag move? Its her map she can stand anywhere she likes. Shes the boss.
I dont see how a killer standing in a certain spot is reportable...
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I think one of the issues is that there isn't enough context in those screenshots. Was the survivour hiding in the corner, or did he think he could finish the totem in time to take a hit and leg it? Did he find a hex early on and been held there the entire duration of the game, with other survivours gaining boldness points because the hag just stares at them as they run to-from her -- or did she start this at the end of the match, held him hostage with only 1 gen left or all of them popped, and it's the other survivours holding the game hostage by refusing to trigger EGC?
Some of these scenarios do sort of put her in a different light. Either way she isn't slugging and allowing to bleed out. She's either securing a kill at the end but the EGC isn't being triggered, or she's trolling someone early on because she realised they were stuck if she didn't do anything.
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"Do the gens quickly"... nice excuse. The fact is, this Hag is holding the game hostage and the gens were already done. A survivor shouldnt be punished just because a killer wants to be a poor sport. There should be a way for survivors to escape this situation.
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mean..like what? Grab the hag by the leg and move her away? It’s the game that allowes this situation to happen and can’t do nothing about it. And who said was an excuse anyway lol. It wasn’t about thinking that it’s fine to do it or not. The question itself was dumb
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If that's really reportable, then this game is broken.
I disagree that it's such a reportable offense by itself. We have no idea how many times that dweet may have tea bagged that hag, nor do we know how much time he spent in a locker before ending up in that corner.
Since it's such a problem for survivors to stand still (birds) but not killers, why hasn't BHVR implemented the killers version of that protocol? If body blocking is such an issue, why allow it at all, BHVR? Why is insidious camping ok, but this kind of thing is not? How do we know the hag isn't extremely wary of Decisive Strike?
Comparatively, this is no different than camping a hook, which is already a pretty sensitive subject for some.
Either condone camping or don't, but reading Peanits express that this kind of action is reportable gives me the impression that BHVR isn't as consistent with their product as they say they want to be.
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How is the hag holding the game hostage. Do gens and leave. If the survivors dont leave they are the ones holding hostage.
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Honestly, it's a dick move by the killer. Should be reportable.
But the survivors can just end the game at any time, so eh.
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Wouldn't a solution to this issue be to just adjust the collision boxes? Like if a player runs into a survivor/killer for 5-10 seconds; it allows them to pass through it?
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If the Devs even agree its holding the game hostage, then your arguments are invalid. "Do gens and leave" doesnt excuse the fact that 1 player is still being forced to sit there, unable to play the game, unable to dc and are unable to have any because of a killer holding them hostage. Camping a hook, they can still be saved. In this situation, there's literally nothing they can do.
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But killers have slugged entire teams and not hook them..just let them bleedout. If they aren't holding hostage ...no one can work on hand if everyone's down...how has the killer held this game hostage. It's nonrsense.
also Dwight could have just stood up there the whole time not helping his team...so the killer just kept them and let everyone complete their ibjectives.
it's stupid if anything ban wise happens to this killer.
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Again, as has been brought up over and over here, there's nothing preventing the others from opening the gates. They're desperate for a save they don't, in any capacity, have to make. Was hag probably ######### in this scenario? Yeah, given the map layout. Was hag maybe making the experience less worthwhile for dwight? There's a good chance of that, yeah. But let's all take a step back and forget about the sides. Here is one poor little baby Dwight. Trapped behind layers and layers of desperation, pride, fear, and bias. Trapped by the two sides to which people so tightly cling in this game and in this community. He might not know a thing about us. He might think killers and survivors are two peas in the same pod, as we all really ought to be. Maybe he skips post-game chats. No matter the case, there's one thing we can all say for certain. Nobody deserved any of this.
Except [Side I don't main]! ######### them, right? xd
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Seeing this happening, that's just cruel, I've never seen a more sadistic hag. this is reportable, and why the hag just hook him, your wasting time, when you can get more survivors. Either way this isn't cool.
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