What's wrong with Toxic SWFs ?
I know I should get good but by what recognition should I get good when I can't even practice because of synchronised gameplay.
The type of sheet I have to deal with ... A scapegoat Low Ranker with his/her "Trusty pals"
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Ive faced alot toxic swf. Honestly the 1st time I got bullied, I stopped playing for a week. Never been stressful just by playing a game.
Later I learn and learn. And get better, still lose sometime, win sometime.
As a Trapper main, my tactic is to get late game build. which is what Trapper for. The key is to let them think you're stupid, they will fool around which Gen get slower. There was so many time I ignore Survivors, just go around setup traps. And eventually 1 of them follow can click click. I progressing my plan (laying traps) while they get 25% slower on Gen.
If you go so hard at the start, they will Gen rush hard on you to escape.
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I honestly don't understand how people get the gratification from bullying inexperienced players.
Although matchmaking doesn't work by basing it on the average rank in the SWF group, instead it actually bases the rank on the highest ranked survivor in the group. However, matchmaking hasn't been working how it should for quite some time now.
Survivors that are toxic post game to inexperienced survivors are normally the ones that cannot play well against the killers of their rank.
EDIT: I'm a rank 1 killer, when I get a toxic swf I just let them bleed out at the end, so to let them think about their behaviour.
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To be fair, you started the Chat. And they most likely did not know that you were a low Rank. The low Rank should btw not be the reason why they were in your Lobby, most likely the AWESOME (this is sarcasm) changes to Rank Reset and SWF-Matchmaking causes this to happen. There are not many low Rank Survivors and since at some point you will get a game, it is one of those.
They probably waited quite long as well.
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SWF parties have been supposed to be ranked based on the highest rank in the party for a good while now. A party of 1-20-20-20 is supposed to be matched with a rank 1 killer in perfect conditions, you can't intentionally get a lower rank killer by letting a low rank party host anymore.
Now matchmaking is just a mess no matter if SWF is involved, so it's purely coincidental.
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So bullying is justified against high rank killer?
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Nice Strawman.
But since most Killers here define "bullying" as "winning against them", yes, bullying (in that sense) is justified. Survivors are allowed to win.
Often enough "bullying" is used when there was no bad action at all. Using Flashlights in an effective way is not bullying. Doing Gens is not bullying. Looping is not bullying. But all of those are referred to as "bullying" when Killers complain about their lost games.
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It’s extremely difficult to “bully” an experienced killer since the things people consider “bullying” are easy to counter or have little effect on gameplay.
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my god are you dense.
-"But since most Killers here define "bullying" as "winning against them", yes, bullying is justified."
do i need to even say anything about this one like how stupid can you be.
-"Often enough "bullying" is used when there was no bad action at all"
nah man you just have your head up your ass. killers say that survs bully when they t bag/clicky click at gates or when dropped a pellet or post game when they bm for no reason.
but on the topic i've played lots of matches where swfs were toxic (one where they were all rank 2s and 1s and i was rank 13) and theres not much you can do unless you win in that case i just gloat and gloat especially if they have a twitch handle in their name i love winning against them because you can go to there page and hear them crying how unfair etc etc is when they are going try hard in a swf.
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I’m talking about flashlight clicking and t-bagging. If a team plays efficiently thats not bullying in my eyes.
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While it is true that is more difficult against an experienced killer, I don’t think there is an excuse to do it. Even experienced killers can struggle against a bullying SWF. Especially if that killer use multiple killers and like to use non metaperks.
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I am pretty sure these responses alone says a lot about what OP is talking about.
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If I face them, l also face them in front of the hooks.
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I’m not saying it’s right for people to go out of their way to try and annoy someone. I don’t do it and I don’t have much time for anyone who plays like that, it’s not something I’m interested in. I’m just saying that once you reach a certain point, stuff like flashlights don’t bother you because you know how to counter them, and teabagging isn’t a really big deal either because it doesn’t actually do anything. So trying to bully a killer with enough experience won’t really work, they’ll just waste time and get killed.
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I don't know why people complain about surviviors t-bagging and stuff. Like... most of those ''toxic'' people just try to attract the killer to themselves so that the other surviviors repair generators, heal or simply just do something healthy for the teammates. Killers must stop complaining and I know that there are lack of killers right now but that's up to the developers if they fix the matchmaking system maybe you won't get placed with rank 1 surviviors and you won't get ''bullied''. Yes there are cases of surviviors being toxic like in the end of the game where the kid won't miss to type how easy the game was and insult you for being bad at the game while they do not realise that playing killer is really hard and I do respect the killer mains but I don't understand the complaining about surviviors just trying to be productive for their teammates.
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The developers love these guys, they make youtube videos that millions of people watch, which promotes their game. They buff the killers, but always... every single time... the survivors will remain the stronger role. Even after removing the infinites and 'gen speed nerfs' I don't see the game's turning out any differently than they did prior to the nerfs.
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swf is busted,you can easily win as survivor in swf on comms if you're decent,knowing where killer is at all times and telling your teammates where you are is a huge advantage,it makes you instead of using a perk to know where your teammates are use instead a second chance perk
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I thought the change was "game will look for a killer on the same rank as the top rank of swf instead of close to the average of ranks on the swf" to me that change was designed to ensure this kind of matches didn't occurred.
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This is why when I want to play Killer for fun I pick Trapper with the red add-on that causes damage to a survivor who disarms a trap.
They end up being hurt the whole match and become to scared to go near any vaulting location. It’s delicious.
I faced a group the other day. They knew how to abuse every loop in the meat plant, flashlight save every time I picked up someone, and t-bag in the distance, then snap! Down to the basement you go! Ahhhhh! Iron Maiden working as intended, here’s another to the basement. And it snowballed to a 4K because SWF usually do what ever they can to save a teammate and stop rushing gens.
Devs will never remove SWF, I suggest you play killers that have good snowball potential or master the headache inducing Nurse.
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SWF is trash. There are loads of fixes to this that don't punish killers, solo survivors or SWF but screw the average player. I guess. If I lose against a SWF, so what, I lost ot something that literally breaks the game that was meant to be an ""anti-social" game. Where social exchange in play or even prior literally busts it mechanics apart.
There's a reason you have a tiny limited time to talk in lobby and only all players can talk in after game chat. Even then the killer can't see or talk to survivor prior. The entire point is that survivors should communicarte clearly to ambigious partners as quickly as they can about potential game play. SWF removes all that, people know how their friends are going to play roughly.
So now there's only two options should things stay as they are. Survivors get screwed and killers are balanced for SWF teams. Which are broken.
Killers get screwed and have to deal as the way things are.
Can you win against SWF...sure...but the point is you shouldn't have to. Period. It's like saying...can you win against an aim bot in CS. Sure, you can, it's possible. It's still utter bull though.
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yeah matchmaking really sucks right now, but the Devs are trying to implement an MMR system soon that will match you with players around your own skill level, so thats something to look forward to.
regarding your pic, you might want to censor out their names.
to prevent witch hunts, you are not allowed to share pics of other players without censoring their names (well, unless you wanna praise them and only speak positive of them i guess).
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Sure.
But right after this change the Lobby Times for high Rank Survivors and low Rank Killers went up. Surely you can act like there is a shortage of Killers out of nowhere (because it fits a narrative), or simply blame the change for that. I guess the worse Rank Reset is also doing a lot for that, someone who was Rank 4 before would have been Reset to like 13. But now they end up at Rank 5.
It is just logical that both changes combined kill the low Rank Matchmaking.
And well, my Tinfoil Hat might be tight on that one, but it is quite convenient that High Rank Survivors and Low Rank Killers get now matched to each other when both groups had long queue times before. I am pretty sure they changed something on the Matchmaking to have faster queues, but more imbalanced games.
And I am also pretty sure (even tho I cannot prove it) that reverting those changes would be way better for the game than some MMR-System which will not work anyway.
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The first thing I notice is the one survivor who had a really rough game. That's been me, lately. SWF and they either refuse to unhook me, lead the killer to me when they're chased, or just generally seem to enjoy bullying the other survivors (and the killer). Something has to change, and while, yes, I have friends I can play with sometimes, it's not a blast to ever play solo with people like that.
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What do you mean you "can't practice." Are you not practicing by playing your killer, getting used to how they play, and playing against people who aren't potatoes?
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I don't see the bullying here, you started the chat, and got a reply.
They didn't swear at you or anything. The one guy said "clicky clicky".
And as others have stated, they didn't create the matchmaking, they just played the game.
Also looking at the scores, don't know if you straight tunneled the 16 out of the game or if he suicided on hook.
Not judging, just an observation.
I Just think we make everything out to be toxic anymore, so much so, it has lost all meaning.
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Well we can assume, they bullied the OP in the game. Otherwise he wouldn’t open a thread to post a meaningless endgame chat.
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I can say that this game has given me trauma for the many swf matches I end up with rather killer or survivor. I mean where is the morality at in people, like what the actual hell is wrong with being a good sport when you win or have the upper hand. Those comments on the screenshot are just so triggering to me.. good grief!
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High ranked killers should not get "bullied" very often
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Maybe, but as I mentioned killers are not always coming with their sweaty build. Also it doesn’t justify the ‘attempt’ for bully. Bully shouldn’t be accepted under any circumstances.
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