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Why do people slug at 5 gens?
There's literally no point. Slugging at 5 gens and one hooking everyone because you have crazy add-ons makes all Survivors de-rank and at best gives you brutal killer.
If a team is doing that bad, I usually start hooking instead of slugging and let them save so I can farm a merciless killer and end the game at 2-3 gens instead of 5.
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Sometimes I will slug if I see someone else immediately. Keeps the pressure up and it will force all 4 survivors to be off of generators (Healing the downed Survivor, going for the hooked Survivor) Otherwise, it's on the hook you go!
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I mean if you get slugged at 5 gen, that's on you and your teammates for being bad :-).
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I believe this is called pressuring gens. The thing everyone bitches for killers to do more. Best way to keep it at five gens is forcing more people off gens to save. Considering how many gens can pop simultaneously being a 5 gens can turn in to two in an instant relying on the number in the corner to feel safe as a killer is pretty dumb.
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What's wrong with making the survivors depip? I feel like in plenty of my killer games the survivors would not bat an eye if I depipped.
I would say at least a fourth of my games have someone teabagging or clicking a flashlight at me, and I will hear footsteps of people following me as I bring someone to the hook.
I don't mind getting brutal killer or even depipping, I feel like tombstone myers is the most hilarious way to 3-4k depip in the game. I have played from rank 8 killer to rank 1 killer recently and...the matchmaking is exactly the same. Even at rank 8 you will still hit full rank 1 survivor lobbies. So the rank is nothing but a flex honestly.
The pip system is also arbitrary. Sometimes I feel like I did super well and get brutal killer, other times I feel like I did nothing and got a pip. 5 hooks camping the basement with trapper in purple ranks was enough for a pip. 10 hooks with deathslinger at red ranks was a brutal killer.
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I honestly don't mind making survivors depip if they don't deserve to stay in red rank. I miss old purple/red ranks before the rank system change. Nowadays, you can be ######### at the game and still become a red rank player.
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Because they are selfish and give zero ######### about the enjoyment of the game by anyone but themselves, even when they clearly have the upper-hand. 🤷
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Why should we care if the survivors pip or not?
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Because they want to. That's always the answer for any "why do people do/use X" question.
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Ah, yes, I can definitely remember when survivors all huddled around the hook for me to kill them after I had a ######### game where they completely dominated...
Oh, no, wait, that literally never happened, to anyone, ever.
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Slugging is a valid strategy just like ds, Unbreakable is. Killers also have perks encouraging slugging. If I down one person and see another right off the bat imma slug you. Ur team shouldn't be rushing me when I down one if you. Also as above said this is what " keep pressuring the gens, bro."has become and now that killer's try and do that you see survivors complain.
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I find that most killers don't go out of their way to 4 man slug unless survivors give them the opportunity to do it. Or maybe I'm just lucky.
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I actually do get sacrificed in matches where the Killer played well but was out played. Not only will I do that, the one person I play with occasionally will do it also, because we figure 2 out / 2 in is fair and it's likely we'll PIP.
I don't recommend a style of play I don't readily use myself.
Also, when a Killer slugs everyone with 5 gens undone, people didn't even get to play the match. When survivors best the Killer and leave, they did all 5 gens, giving the Killer ample time to get their job done.
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If the survivors dominate, it's because the killer couldn't do their job (they were outmatched) and didn't really get to play, but sure, come up with a rationalization for why killers have to play nice, but survivors don't.
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slug is a way to apply pressure. not doing it, you basically reduce your chances of victory. thats why every good/clever killer slugs when he can
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If the survivors are getting 4 man slugged at 5 gens left, they are making massive, massive mistakes and the killer is probably infectious fright hillbilly. Every map has enough safe pallets you can camp them like a bot and still get a 1 gen chase out of it.
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Why should I care if the Survivors depip? My job isn't to entertain them.
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And if the killer kills everyone with 5 gens, he deserves the win. Killers dont have to play nice just because you want to pip or earn bloodpoints.
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I'm not refuting that. Clearly some level of mistake was made, even if the Killer brought knock out. But going hard against a team that's obviously handicapped in some way is like winning the special olympics as an olympic gold medalist. If that makes you feel good, you have issues. The point is, a team like that is clearly not a threat, so there's no logical reason to slug them all down when they have accomplished exactly nothing, unless you are trying to be a dick. There really is no reason to ever slug an entire team at all. Its incredibly counter productive for everyone's progress, including the Killer.
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If the survivor team is that bad, I am probably not having fun chasing them anyways. And would rather just kill them and get onto the next game. I don't ever go for a 4 man slug because usually there's 1-2 unbreakables per game and I play like every survivor has unbreakable (some lobbies do).
Also, can you imagine applying that logic to any other PvP game out there? Would you not shoot the other team in CS:GO or Call Of Duty because they are bad? Why do you think all the smurfs in League of Legends are celebrated?
I have people teabagging me at 5 gens, when they have "accomplished nothing". I saw a rank 4 survivor today who could not loop, camped the shack pallet, and then teabagged after they threw it. I would not consider that a threat. But if you expect me to feel bad about depipping people like that, I don't think so.
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I can only speak for myself, but i do it frequently when i see that the killer had a hard game or is obviously not so experienced. Please dont generalize.
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I said "all". As in "every survivor in a trial".
I know some survivors do it (me, for example, much to my teammate's chagrin), but I was quite explicit.
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"I don't ever go for a 4-man slug"...then everything you said before that is irrelevant because this situation doesn't happen to you. If you catch and hook every survivor individually before they can save anyone...by all means, put them out of their misery. But slugging is a totally different animal.
I do like your admission that your enjoyment is clearly your sole focus.
Trying to draw a comparison between an FPS and DBD is not comparable. They are two completely different games/mechanics. And actually, if you want to draw that comparison - YES, in competitive BR tourney's players DO give their competitors a pass to get to end game as a means to avoid unnecessary fights that might take themselves out of the game early...because its more advantageous for all involved to get higher placement. They'll pass and meet them in end game later on. Just like you might be able to slug a full team and death hook everyone 1st hook in the first 2 minutes of a match, but it would be more advantageous for everyone involved NOT to, to secure your rank and theirs. You'll see them in no time later in the match and still probably win.
The OP said absolutely nothing about toxic behavior or killing t-baggers. You are straying way off topic to try and prove some point that is not in line with this thread. Should you kill someone being a toxic #########? Sure. Should you do everything on your power to full slug a 4-man team and death hook them before any gens are done? ######### no. Idk why thats even up for discussion, since it's apples and oranges, but whatever.
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Also that happens, but only if i play in a full team. We dont give the killer 4 kills, but at least some hooks. Unfortunatly we stoped this at some point because we ran into killers that got greedy and very selfish (killing all of us eventually). At the endgame chat when asking him what this was all about you get an answer like "i am the killer, your fault you trust me"... no wonder nice survivors refuse to give potentially friendly killers anything anymore.
I think it goes both ways, selfish people just like those i discribed ruins the reputation of all other killer mains, and it spreads misstrust all over the game. Same goes for survivors of course.
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I also explicitly said "kills", not "hooks", so, again, your example is not relevant.
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Chase survivor - leave survivor- "pressure gen" previous survivor hops on gen straight away- "gen pressure" instantly lost- time wasted walking- find survivor- chase survivor- leave survivor- survivor hops on gen- "gen pressure" instantly lost- gates open.
We are talking about survivors that don't self care in a corner right?
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Well then, your point of few does not make a lot of sense either. Because nobody goes in and gives the killer a free 4K and so is of course also no killer downing all 4 people, pick them up, let them do all gens and then let them leave (well actually i do with my AKA "FriendlyKiller" account)... Thats not the topic at all, its about why go for 4K slug even survivors have lost anyway.
People here are wondering why the killer is not giving them at least a chance to get something done. A nice play would be to hook someone of the slugged and give the last standing person the chance to pick up one of his teammates. Your response to that "Ah, yes, I can definitely remember when survivors all huddled around the hook for me to kill them after I had a ######### game where they completely dominated..." does not make a lot of sense in that way.
Giving an auto 4K =/= giving the other side at least a chance.
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Alright then, let's go for a closer comparison. Why don't all survivors play worse when they're up against a newbie killer?
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1. They want to win
2. They have a challenge
3. They had a bad last game and they want a revengue
4. Survivors have bad manners in this match
5. They like to annoy other players and get "-rep" in their profile.
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Who says they are not? A few weeks ago i played in a 3 man versus a legion on mothers dwelling, the legion was obviously not not that good (turned out he was rank 9 vs rank 1) so instead of finishing the last gen, we started doing all the other gens to 99 and the totems aswell. The only reason for that was to give him more time to get free hooks and we all get more bloodpoints.
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Experience says they're not. Let's not pretend you don't know as well as I do that killers are more likely to go easy on survivors than survivors are to go easy on killers.
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I only 4man slug at like 1,2 gens left or when gates are open. Otherwise I 3man slug,cause it's just boring and gives 0 fun out of the game itself. You don't get alot of bp,and the game was a waste of time pretty much. Never understood why people did it
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Of course you are right with that, but there are those people who care about the other side aswell (even tho they are rare). Bringing in a statement like "i dont care for other people because they dont care for me" does not lead us anyway, isnt it?
Obviously the game is supposed to beplayed the way everyone is playing it (play ruthless) otherwise it would loose a lot of its charm. But it cant be a bad idea to go easy on the other side every once in a while when you see you are dominating them hardcore.. just for the sake of a more insteresting and fun gameing experience.
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I didn't bring in that statement, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in demanding killers play nice when they actually do play nice more often than survivors, but survivors don't demand other survivors play nice as often as they do killers.
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This is true but I’d say it’s down to the asymmetrical nature of the game. Killers can straight up remove survivors from the match if they decide to, if you go easy on survivors the worst they can do is teabag you. I’ve had times where I regretted going easy on survivors but nowhere near as much as I’ve regretted being nice to killers.
I still remember a match from a few months back against a Clown who was really struggling. I felt bad for him so I let him hook me, he proceeded to face camp me into stage two, immediately downed me again once I got unhooked and slugged me until I died to the end game. None of us were toxic and I tried to be nice to the guy and he was a complete dick in response. Needless to say I don’t give free hooks as often now.
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So you wanted to give him a free kill, but you're pissed that he actually took it? I'm confused.
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Maybe you are right with that, i am not saying that survivors are little angles and killers are beasts. All i say is that there are those people on both sides who play friendly in situations when the other side is struggeling to get anything done. Thats why i think any arugment which is generalizing about the other side is wrong.
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And I'm saying that it's usually killers who play nice, with constant demands from survivors to play nicer. Saying "both sides do it" is disingenuous because it completely ignores the actual number of people who do it.
If I point out that men are, on average, taller than women, and you point out that women can also be tall (and so "both men and women can be tall"), you're not addressing anything I said. You're using a technicality to dismiss my statement.
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Depends on each game. I want to 3 hook everyone for points, especially with 5 gens left. Though if I think they are a strong team then I'll slug a bit. I wouldn't slug 3 or 4 at the end, probably only 1.
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I’m not sure what is confusing about the situation, it’s quite obvious. I wasn’t pissed that he killed me, I was annoyed that he killed me in the most obnoxious way possible. You don’t have to face camp someone and then leave them on the ground to bleed out for four minutes when they were nice to you. It would be like a killer giving me hatch and me then berating them in end game chat for being a pussy. “Well you wanted them to escape and now you’re pissed they did?” No, the end result isn’t the problem, it’s the way they went about it.
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First of all, we are not talking about any facts. There are no numbers about which side is more friendly. This is a random guess.. nothing more. I agree with you on that part, but that does not mean it is true.
Second, my only problem with your statement was generalizing:
Ah, yes, I can definitely remember when survivors all huddled around the hook for me to kill them after I had a [BAD WORD] game where they completely dominated...
Oh, no, wait, that literally never happened, to anyone, ever.
Even the statement had nothing to do with the context of the op (we are not talking about giving the other side a free win, we are talking about giving the other side a chance) i doubt that this really never happend since there are teams who give free hooks and even kills to the killer.
All in all i think we can leave it to that.
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Look at it from the killer's perspective. He's been having a ######### trial, completely outmatched. Someone lets himself get hooked, but doesn't immediately kill himself (implying you expected to be rescued, or you would've attempted to self-unhook and let the Entity take you ASAP).
Someone comes in and rescues. Killer's already tilted, so this looks like they're just mocking him further by showing that even if the survivors were to literally hand themselves to him, he still wouldn't be able to get any kills. He decides to let you bleed out.
There's no communication in this game. If someone wanted to give me a sacrifice (hasn't happened yet, but maybe one day), they'd have to be very explicit about it for me to be sure that's what they wanted (for example, literally killing themselves on the hook instead of waiting around).
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You can try to excuse someone being an ass unprovoked all you want, but he had absolutely no reason to make me bleed out even if I hadn’t been doing him a favour and this is the reason survivors are less likely to take it easy on killers. Some salty killer player on a power trip can waste your time, even a really bad one, if you let them, but bad survivors can’t do that. They can’t remove the killer from the match. As long as killers can kill and survivors can only escape, it will always be more likely for killers to show mercy because it’s inherently less risky to do it.
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If I'm presented with an opportunity to slug I will, whether it's at five gens or gate is powered up. I try to play as fair as possible but I personally don't see anything wrong with slugging. The reason the killer is able to slug to begin with is due to the survivor team making a mistake.
What you got to remember this game is still survivor sided, if I'm presented with an opportunity to win the game I will. If I don't then I could potentially lose the game. Either side in a winning position can change in an instant, I rather not take any chances. I've played this game for nearly two years and I'm past caring about pipping and ranking up, I just want to get a that 4k.
It's not the killers fault for if the survivors derank, the survivors are losing pips because they did not play well. It's no different if the killer losing pips because they decided to waste all their time chasing that one good looper. Frankly I rather have bad survivors losing pips as I'm less likely to get them as team mates when I'm playing survivor.
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My point is that from his perspective, it may not have been unprovoked. The fact that you didn't immediately ######### in particular sends mixed messages.
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If someone takes me giving them a free hook as a sign of BM then they have serious issues and probably shouldn’t be socialising with others.
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Sure, just ignore what I said about mixed messages.
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Not immediately killing myself on hook is not BM either. More hooks and unhooks = more points for everyone.
In any case, you’re obviously set on seeing the killer as the victim in this scenario so I’m gonna just bow out of this conversation.
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I didn't say it was BM, I said it sent mixed messages, nor did I say the killer was the victim, I said he could've misinterpreted your intentions because he was already tilted.
Are you actually reading what I'm writing?
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Why not?
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Yes, they are. As am I. And it's clear you like to see the killer in the most charitable light possible while immediately assuming the worst of survivors. It's your shtick.
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