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WHERE MY HAG MAINS AT?!

Poweas
Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

Just played her for the first time in ages, and my god, she's a beauty with that lunge!

Seriously, her traps are so difficult to run through now, just had a super fun game as her. No clue why people think she's worse than Billy or Freddy, lol, she can be so strong with that lunge.

where are the rest of you at?!

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  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    By lunge, I mean how she can now lunge through her traps instantly. It's so fun XD.

  • OniWantsUrLocation
    OniWantsUrLocation Member Posts: 506

    The reason why I hate Hag more than any other killer in the game is the delay when teleporting. This delay before she can attack ruins her for me. 

  • SpaceCoconut
    SpaceCoconut Member Posts: 1,962

    Hi :)

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    She can be annoying to face, but she's still the Queen and I still love her! 😄

  • Cheers
    Cheers Member Posts: 3,426

    I don't main her, although I do player occasionally.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807
    edited May 2020

    I'm sorry I still don't have enough shards for her 😭. She's 100% going to be the next killer I get

  • OniWantsUrLocation
    OniWantsUrLocation Member Posts: 506

    Wait what? I didn't know she'd be able to lunge right after the teleport. But she can't move/walk, can she? I did the Adept challenge earlier today and I realized that she can't move after a teleport. 

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    I bet you'll love her lol, she's just as fun as Spirit.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    I believe she can? I played her earlier and didn't see any delay, did you have bad ping or were you next to something?

    Also, I should do her adept lol, I did it for every killer and survivor back on console but haven't bothered to on PC aside from Spirit and Claudette.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    How have you found the little lunge shadow buff? Do you feel the difference or nah?

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,564

    Usually ends up camping when I face her. Just wish the camera didn't turn towards her traps either lol

  • SpaceCoconut
    SpaceCoconut Member Posts: 1,962

    Honestly, I never would have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it.

    My muscle memory makes me start moving after teleporting or swinging right away. I'll pay more attention to it tonight and see how impactful it is.

    Just thinking about it though, you're swinging blind if you go for a lunge right after teleporting and depending on the distance of the survivor if they have a quick reaction to the phantasm it could mean a miss whereas waiting a second before swinging or moving would mean a hit.

    It's an interesting change, but I wonder if it's a bug.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    I know I will. I only didn't get her before because I liked Plagues perks better besides ruin which I got from the shrine.

  • seki23
    seki23 Member Posts: 833

    used to be a hag main 2 years ago and very good then i got tired of her, i may comeback someday

  • MegMain98
    MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,919

    @Poweas You know I love me some Haggy. I know people don’t like her but I honestly wish she was played more often, it a novelty just to see her.

    Random question but what is your main cosmetic set on Hag? I used to use the Mud Medusa set but I’ve grown to really like the blue cabbage Hag.

  • 53nation
    53nation Member Posts: 681

    Love Hag. Had a basement party just last saturday. I also grabbed two people in about 30 seconds time. That was fun. Cause ya know, who's got time for crouching at the hook. Long live HAGGU

  • Shocktober
    Shocktober Member Posts: 678

    Why run anything except tryhard stealth hag?

    Blends almost as good as claud.

    I hope more people don't play her because she is one of the lamest killers killers to go against, unless you are urban evading around or in a flashlight SWF. Who doesn't love a hag with 10 traps around the hook?

  • Liruliniel
    Liruliniel Member Posts: 3,047
    edited May 2020

    Snake Charmer, Queen Hag, or P3 Hag are only Hags.

    I find it funny I actually am always excited to play a good Hag who don't camp.

  • Shocktober
    Shocktober Member Posts: 678

    Eh, P3 is hardly noticeable on hag. One of those is real, one of those is fake. You can't really combine it with anything other than this outfit either. It's impossible to not camp with hag if there are 2+ flashlights in the lobby, unless you want to be a 110 killer with no power. She is made for it, so if you like camping, hag is for you.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,219

    I main her before her rework but I'm going back to her slowly.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    They actually intended it funnily enough, they said they 'fixed' it. Although it wasn't supposed to be there. Pretty funny on the devs part, they changed their mind and shadow buffed her.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    Ok, so I actually don't go for cosmetics much funnily enough, I've just been chilling with a default Hag. I would go for cosmetics, but I'm saving up for Plague or Deathslinger because I find them fun.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    Some Hags play like that and win, it baffles me how they can play a killer so wrong. Hag isn't a campy killer as most people claim, she's very strong and is all about chasing and map pressure. It really triggers me when my teammates let Hags like that win, because they don't know how to counter her. Wish she was more played, as @MegMain98 said.

    Hag isn't 'made' for camping, Hag is made for map pressure and chasing. Her power is also strong for camping, but you haven't faced a good Hag, or played her well if you see her as an only camping killer. Against SWF with flashlights, I find that STBFL does gods work for helping me, because I can keep them off me by slugging and reset my web (I trap in bizarre locations so they don't predict them much) and eventually, with difficulty, I'll scrape a win.

    Plus, my build is scummy in the sense that I actually WANT to be chased, since I run Thanatophobia, Sloppy butcher, A Nurses Calling and STBFL which basically means the more people injured, the more free map pressure I get.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    Had one earlier briefly, was really good with the momentum and had people in and out of the basement hooks lol.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    One day, you'll face a Hag who knows what they're doing and you'll see why she's so scary. :P

    So true lol, had one earlier, was super fun, I kept triggering her traps and getting to safety and it annoyed her, but hey, she won in the end but it was a super fun game. Props to her for not getting annoyed and chasing me down like most would, it'd have lost her the game. Really fun game though.

  • Onyx_Blue
    Onyx_Blue Member Posts: 1,060

    Hag's the most boring killer to vs. Thankfully she isn't a popular selection among killers.

  • Shocktober
    Shocktober Member Posts: 678

    Let's see, a 110 killer, aka a killer with 0 map pressure, who's traps can be disarmed by walking over them if she isn't in the general vicinity? Do I want to distribute them all over the map, and have the majority of them be useless.....or do I want to concentrate them in one area where I can teleport to any single one of them if they are triggered? Aka a 3 gen or near a hook? Hmmm, tough choices.

    That's like saying trapper isn't made for camping. Even the most beloved trapper mains (otzdarva) describes the trapper as "territorial" (aka someone who camps). Ohtofu, another beloved streamer, describes the hags power as "good for camping" in his tier list.

    Let me spend 30-60 seconds setting up traps and then walk away from them so they are worthless. During a chase, anyone with a flashlight can disarm your traps before they are triggered, rendering your power worthless if they are any good. And even a yellow flashlight can disarm like 20+ traps with it's default charges. That means to get anyone using one, they have to step into the traps unaware.

    Sure, you can do some battle hag moves and pretend you are going to teleport to a trap during a chase but then not take it and omg 9000 IQ mindgame, but that's such a suboptimal playstyle it's hardly worth mentioning. Sorry to break it to you. If you want to chase people down, play another killer who is designed for it.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,219

    Glad they remove the penalty of slowing down when running

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    I used to have this really neat little speech about Hag's true power I used to copy and paste when people said she's bad or campy, but I lost that and cba retyping it. But yes, you should concentrate your traps in one half of the map, that's common sense, that's not a campy playstyle, and that makes her have serious map pressure.

    I dunno how to explain her to you, since my whole playstyle is very unique when it comes to Hag, but I'll say one thing, if you think she's THAT simple, and take the advice of streamers who don't even main her, you'll never understand her. You see, with Hag, you never want to commit to people, usually you will spawn far from survivors, so it's best to trap up your current location, and force them into you. This does mean you sacrifice generators, but she has a VERY strong late game. This is also her only chance against a flashlighter, to setup away from them and force them into her, which works effectively in my experiences.

    Also, comparing her to Trapper is very dumb, Trapper has a power to shut down loops in specific, Hag shuts down routes and areas with hers. They're so different it's funny.

    I don't think you'd get Hag anyways, since you obviously dislike her. So let's agree to disagree, since she's obviously not a camper, and there's no chance you would see that. Have a nice night/day.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    She got a lot of buffs lol, it surprised me when they released it, I really thought they'd have left her with 115% MS, but no, the devs hit the spot with the Hag buffs.

  • Shocktober
    Shocktober Member Posts: 678

    I play hag when i want an easy game. And I have played her extensively at rank 1. Those are my opinions of her, as well as many other popular rank 1 streamers if you don't agree.

    You need to know how to loop with hag, since you need to know where to place the traps optimally. It is the same with trapper. But as far as mechanically executing it after that? It is mashing control, or mousewheel down, depending on your keybind preferences, and then collecting your free hits.

    "Don't commit to chases, set up your traps in one area" BUT SHE'S NOT MADE FOR CAMPING. Like cmon, at least listen to what you are saying yourself.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    Oh, that explains it. You think setting up traps in one area is camping lol. My bad, I thought it was called a defensive playstyle, and assumed by camping you meant camping the hook.

    But that doesn't make my points wrong, by playing defensively, Hag has one of the strongest chasing and one of the best map pressure.

    You should've clarified your definition, since most people don't consider that camping.

  • Raven014
    Raven014 Member Posts: 4,188

    I actually like playing Hag, but I dont say that too much because I don't want her getting nerfed like Nurse.

  • MegMain98
    MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,919

    Hag is a territorial killer like Trapper and if you’re not playing her territorial then you aren’t playing her to her fullest potential.

    Saying that though, you still have to be GOOD with Hag in order to play her and not get stomped against good teams. You have to spend quite a while setting up your web of traps, knowing where to place your traps, and herding survivors into your traps. A baby Hag that hards camps with all her traps and doesn’t leave the hook will lose unless the team is super altruistic.

    Hag also has HARD counters like flashlights, OoO, and simply crouching. Boring counters? Yes but you can easily counter her. I wouldn’t say playing Hag is an “easy game”.

    And if you think Hag has no map pressure then you are delusional. She arguably has the best map pressure in the entire game because she can chase and juggle all the survivors at one time.

    If you don’t like Hag then that is all good, many people don’t Hag for basically the same reason. I just don’t see how Hag has “0 map pressure” and how Hag equals an “easy game”.

    By the way, who really cares what popular Rank 1 streamers say? People take their opinions like it’s gospel. Players need to formulate their own opinions about killers rather than piggy-backing on what popular streamers say. It’s so annoying.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    I don't think she's THAT strong, Spirit and Oni are certainly stronger than Hag so it's unlikely she'll get nerfed, plus, she's not played a lot so she's considered bad and people don't complain about her at all.

  • Raven014
    Raven014 Member Posts: 4,188

    She is my go to against tough teams because:

    1. Nobody knows how to counter her.
    2. She can deny loops way more efficiently than those two killers can if played right.
    3. Xbox players don't expect her (which is my platform).
    4. I love mindgames where it looks like a lose-lose for survivors. : D
  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @MegMain98 <3, better than what I used to say, thanks a lot! Also, I agree with the high ranked streamer thing, people follow them like sheep. Remember when they called SB bad, or when Tyde called Hag D tier (after her buffs), Usilyss thinks she's only made for camping hooks too. You're right about people needing to form their own opinions on killers. I remember way back when I was a survivor main, I used to go with whatever Ochido said, and after I started thinking for myself more, I began to see just how wrong he was on literally everything.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    I remember playing Hag on xbox, she actually felt weaker on it, idk, but on console, some of the R1 teams were far stronger than the PC R1 teams I've faced since switching. It's strange.

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,564

    Yea it triggers me when a camping killer gets more kills than they deserve, especially hag lol the camera turning thing just annoys me so much. When they camp this is even worse.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Unfortunately, that particular update only works for people with low ping playing against survivors with low ping. I very, very often go for an ith and miss because by the time it registered the survivor triggering, even though I was going for a pre-emptive teleport, the game makes it "fair" by delaying the trap trigger then holding me in place for a split second with no chance to move, by which time the survivor has usually gotten out of range and THEN the m1 I have been spamming triggers and I whiff the hit.

    Plus I still get the flicker sometimes.

  • Shocktober
    Shocktober Member Posts: 678

    I've already stated on these forums how I think hag is one of the best killers in the game, because sometimes I can be chasing 2-3 survivors at the same time. "Territorial" to me means camping.

    I don't think anything is wrong with camping, to clarify. There are only 3 things worth defending in the game, hooks, generators, and hex totems.

    But I also don't think it is a particularly hard playstyle. Sitting in a corner with a shotgun in call of duty isn't hard, but it is very effective.

  • MegMain98
    MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,919

    I agree that Hag is not a hard killer to play but she’s definitely not one of the easier ones because if you have no map awareness or know where to places traps or if the survivors have the right counters then you’re screwed.

    Hag isn’t mechanically hard like Nurse or Huntress but she’s not as simple as a killer like Myers where you stare at survivors and get results that way. She has to put in effort to get her results.

    Players can play Hag in a very campy way and there isn’t anything wrong with that because they bought the game and they aren’t exploiting anything. Just be prepared to get flamed in the post-game chat.

    I agree with what you stated, I just believe Hag is a bit harder to play that people let on especially if the survivors have her counters. She isn’t HARD but she isn’t easy mode either. Depends on how you play Hag. Stringing your webs together takes effort and a bit of luck. Hard camping is simple as can be.

  • Liruliniel
    Liruliniel Member Posts: 3,047

    I can easily and clearly tell the difference, but ok.

    You seem to of never played Hag very much or not very good ones. Hag is not meant for camping while her power is strong with it she has a base 40 meter TP. Her power is quite literally only limited by your imagination and skill level. Flashlights mean nothing to a good Hag. While they can be a hindrance to you as a killer they are in no way the hard counter you pretended they are. Smart players will adjust the traps making fake bait for a survivors cute little flashlight. Funny enough this is actually not even the best a Hag can get this is just average to good Hag level basics.

    Hag is everywhere and nowhere all at the same time. A True Hag main is probably tied for the single scariest killer in the game. A real Hag Main when they place a trap down is a guaranteed future hit. Once you realize that the Hag your up against knows what they are doing a deep unsettling paranoia starts to take grip.

    She has a low pick rate because of how people play her not because of how good she is. Statically speaking she has one of the lowest pick rates and one of the highest kill rates. So once a Hag starts to learn how to play and develop a sense of how to make a web correctly it becomes a completely different game.

    I love those games.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,219

    Oh yeah i know but lately I been running doc and oni. Like i said I'm getting back into her cause i do enjoy playing her.

  • ALostPuppy
    ALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    Basically this. Hag's only playstyle is constant proxy camping and being as uninteractive as possible. Do anything else and you get destroyed and you're not playing her right. It why I think she's possibly the worst designed killer in the game, below Deathslinger and Spirit (who are also 110, hm...seems like there's a trend here). An ability that forces the most lame kind of playstyle is poor design imo.

  • hagling
    hagling Member Posts: 279

    as a hag+plag main i find that she's a lot like trapper in that if you're just reacting to survivors, you're gonna lose. when you prepare ahead of time with hag she dominates, but given how quick gens still seem to pop + her garbage movement speed she's one of the most easily punished killers in the game and that's the reason she's among the least played. I think she could definitely do with a rework eventually.

    also! excessively hook-trapping hags are rare as ######### so i don't really know where this idea that hag's a camper comes in. if you fall for a standard singular hook trap that's completely on you, have some patience and crouch. but if you do encounter the rarer than rare cheese hag who places all 10 of her traps around 1 survivor foolishly? there's a good chance either you or the hooked survivor has kindred and you can see exactly where each of them land. do any of you have a flashlight? poof, you've deleted her power. no kindred, no flashlight, heaps of reckless altruism? darn. well, she's still gotta hit you twice. complain about leatherface being a filthy camper and i'll agree with you, his power is uniquely built for it and bubba mains are well renowed for their facecamping fetish, but even the campiest of campy hags have so much counterplay that i don't wanna hear it.

    hag's not campy by nature, people just whine because they don't play against her enough to know how. anyway hag's a gem, end of. 🖤