Should killers be equally strong as survivors, or should they be a little stronger?

Vadim239

I firmly believe that killers now are weaker than survivors. But I wonder if the idea of balance between killer and survivors is a good idea. Shouldn't a killer be a little stronger than survivors? So that it didn't look as if 4 people are mocking and making fun of the "killer", teabagging (clicking a flashlight, etc). What do you think? Do you like playing a killer rather than playing a survivor?

JAZC_CR

killer need to be more stronger always, thats why you are 4vs1

Mister_xD

since its a 4v1, the killer should be just as strong as all 4 survivors together. the game should reward ppl for playing as a team in order to overcome the killer, instead of rewarding one guy for keeping the killer busy for the whole game (without going down btw, which in my eyes is some huge BS) and punishing the others for not playing this YOLO playstile. A single survivor should not have the ability to completely overcome the killer all by himself, but they do have this power at the moment...

Vadim239

@JAZC_CR said:
killer need to be more stronger always, thats why you are 4vs1

But I really feel, when getting pallet looped for 3-4 minutes that there's something wrong here

Jack11803

Guys, I’m pretty sure he’s asking If killer should be 1=4 survivors, or 1>4 survivors in power. Not a killer literally being as strong as one Dwight

Vadim239

@Mister_xD said:
since its a 4v1, the killer should be just as strong as all 4 survivors together. the game should reward ppl for playing as a team in order to overcome the killer, instead of rewarding one guy for keeping the killer busy for the whole game (without going down btw, which in my eyes is some huge BS) and punishing the others for not playing this YOLO playstile. A single survivor should not have the ability to completely overcome the killer all by himself, but they do have this power at the moment...

That's a good idea. If a team didn't play so well, give everyone less points. And give more for playing as a team.

Vadim239

@Jack11803 said:
Guys, I’m pretty sure he’s asking If killer should be 1=4 survivors, or 1>4 survivors in power. Not a killer literally being as strong as one Dwight

Exactly. I was bummed when one survivor managed to pallet loop for 3-4 minutes.

Vadim239

Even the 3 gens strat doesn't work as it used to do. I take overcharged 3, and Pop goes the weasel 3 Tanataphobia and give everyone hits , hook someone, break 3 nearby gens and they still manage to do them and leave, most of the time. I am playing very good as a hillbilly but that is phenomenal. At some point people will stop playing as killers. It's not fun playing at all. You have to break your neck everytime when the survivors are simply good, just to kill at least two of them. EACH survivor can be equally strong or quite strong. Strong enough to keep the killer busy for 3-4 gens. That's not right. I think it shouldn't be this way.

Mikysama

How guys can you get pallets looped 3 or 4 mins? Kick the goddam pallets and break them... And if one survivor try to play with you this way just find a new prey... I don't understand the pallets loop problems really...

Weederick

For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

Larcz

Of curse should be killer stronger 4x from 1surv but now we got 1surv =1,5killer.Want balance game like that mayby we make 2killers on 4survs? This is not asymtrical horror game not at all in this moment.

Vadim239

@Mikysama said:
How guys can you get pallets looped 3 or 4 mins? Kick the goddam pallets and break them... And if one survivor try to play with you this way just find a new prey... I don't understand the pallets loop problems really...

It's not the palletlooping. More like one guy dropping all the pallets going in circles, while everyone is rushing the gens. That's what is annoying . If one starts dropping every pallet, it will take a loooong time to kill this guy. By the time I do it, 5 gens are done. "Just find a new prey." Everytime I do it, they switch roles and everything remains. Good survivors know that.

Vadim239

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

First of all. Deathgarden is not DBD. And you cannot appeal to the fact that nobody wants to play it just because the killer is OP. Maybe there's a different reason. How can you be so sure. Maybe it's a different game and people just don't like to play it. Teach me your strategy of playing a hillbilly and your perks. I've been playing for 1700 hrs. And recently I feel like the survivors are so cocky and difficult to kill.

Vadim239

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

I don't think survivors should be stronger or even as strong as a killer. Or at least ban those who teabagging the killers, and make fun of them. What if no one will play DBD as a killer. Imagine this.

Weederick

@Vadim239 said:

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

First of all. Deathgarden is not DBD. And you cannot appeal to the fact that nobody wants to play it just because the killer is OP. Maybe there's a different reason. How can you be so sure. Maybe it's a different game and people just don't like to play it. Teach me your strategy of playing a hillbilly and your perks. I've been playing for 1700 hrs. And recently I feel like the survivors are so cocky and difficult to kill.

Its an assumption, but dying nonstop and not winning as a runner feels terrible. When the hunter has decent aim and cares about stopping the objective, you could not win. Atleast for solo players. And im already pretty frustration resistant, most people wouldn't bother to learn runner and still lose to good hunters 9/10. Dbd attracts casual players, its not cs go or dota, so they have to cater atleast a bit for them imo.
And for billy, be patient and bodyblock. Im running bbq, enduring, bamboozle and nurses calling without addons. Just get rid of the pallets quickly, play mindgames here and there and when the game progresses and pallets get scarce, slug them until they're all down.

CallMeRusty420

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

It's sad how the balance of DbD is so bad that even though it's a 4v1 pvp game with a ranking system, you have players that call it a casual game. I can't blame them though. I mean it is balanced that way after all lol

Orion

1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

Weederick

@CallMeRusty420 said:

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

It's sad how the balance of DbD is so bad that even though it's a 4v1 pvp game with a ranking system, you have players that call it a casual game. I can't blame them though. I mean it is balanced that way after all lol

Dbd certainly has a hardcore community which is active on the forums. I guess 90% of the players are lowranked casuals though, so we cant ######### on them lol, even though reading forums make it seems like everyone is playing at r1 against depip squads. There's also many happy killers who are not active on the forums.

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

You should already stomp a single survivor. 4 survivors are stronger than the killer, but 1 survivor is nothing against a killer. Even 3 survivors are already weaker than 1 killer. You should be winning 1vs3 ez, if not, youre doing something VERY wrong

Vadim239

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

Agree. Totally.

Orion

@Weederick said:

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

You should already stomp a single survivor. 4 survivors are stronger than the killer, but 1 survivor is nothing against a killer. Even 3 survivors are already weaker than 1 killer. You should be winning 1vs3 ez, if not, youre doing something VERY wrong

OP asked for opinions on balance, I answered. Do not assume anything about how I play from my reply.

Vadim239

@Weederick said:

@CallMeRusty420 said:

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

It's sad how the balance of DbD is so bad that even though it's a 4v1 pvp game with a ranking system, you have players that call it a casual game. I can't blame them though. I mean it is balanced that way after all lol

Dbd certainly has a hardcore community which is active on the forums. I guess 90% of the players are lowranked casuals though, so we cant ######### on them lol, even though reading forums make it seems like everyone is playing at r1 against depip squads. There's also many happy killers who are not active on the forums.

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

You should already stomp a single survivor. 4 survivors are stronger than the killer, but 1 survivor is nothing against a killer. Even 3 survivors are already weaker than 1 killer. You should be winning 1vs3 ez, if not, youre doing something VERY wrong

If, as you say, 1 survivor is nothing to a killer. Can this survivor drop all the pallets running away in circles successfully for 4-6 minutes, while everyone else is doing gens?

Weederick

@Orion said:

@Weederick said:

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

You should already stomp a single survivor. 4 survivors are stronger than the killer, but 1 survivor is nothing against a killer. Even 3 survivors are already weaker than 1 killer. You should be winning 1vs3 ez, if not, youre doing something VERY wrong

OP asked for opinions on balance, I answered. Do not assume anything about how I play from my reply.

I dont assume, my opinion is killer easily wins 1vs3. So killer is stronger than 3 survivors, but weaker than 4.

@Vadim239 said:

@Weederick said:

@CallMeRusty420 said:

@Weederick said:
For a casual game like dbd, survivors should have the advantage, when in doubt. Leaving all "Killers should be op and feared" bias aside, its a 1vs4 and if you want to outplay 4 players, you should be better than them, not worse. Appealing to the greater mass makes more sense for me. Look at deathgarden, hunter is op and no one plays it anymore.
You shouldnt have problems as billy tbh. He can take care of r1's most of the time.

It's sad how the balance of DbD is so bad that even though it's a 4v1 pvp game with a ranking system, you have players that call it a casual game. I can't blame them though. I mean it is balanced that way after all lol

Dbd certainly has a hardcore community which is active on the forums. I guess 90% of the players are lowranked casuals though, so we cant ######### on them lol, even though reading forums make it seems like everyone is playing at r1 against depip squads. There's also many happy killers who are not active on the forums.

@Orion said:
1 Killer should absolutely stomp a single Survivor. Even 4v1, the Killer should have a very slight power advantage, which is offset by the fact that there are 4 Survivors (numbers advantage).

You should already stomp a single survivor. 4 survivors are stronger than the killer, but 1 survivor is nothing against a killer. Even 3 survivors are already weaker than 1 killer. You should be winning 1vs3 ez, if not, youre doing something VERY wrong

If, as you say, 1 survivor is nothing to a killer. Can this survivor drop all the pallets running away in circles successfully for 4-6 minutes, while everyone else is doing gens?

Do you really literally get looped for 4-6 minutes? That would be concerning. I havent seen those chases since the double pallet/vacuum/flashlight/exhaustion nerf. Most chases are around a minute, even against good survivors. Some can extend it to 2 minutes on a good map.

Vadim239

I have a question. What rank killer are you now? How many do you kill usually? Do you find it easy or extremely difficult? What perks, strategy etc. are you using?

Vadim239

I want to get the achievment rank 1 killer, and with 1800 hrs I still didn't do it, because I randomly played the killer, and didn't see the problem when you go back to fun stuff. But now, I wanna kill myself. Teach me how to play killer someone. I hate to rip my ass everytime I play this stupid game as a killer. It's no fun at all.

Weederick

@Vadim239 said:
I have a question. What rank killer are you now? How many do you kill usually? Do you find it easy or extremely difficult? What perks, strategy etc. are you using?

I havent played since rank reset, since i was visitting home and only had my laptop with 15 fps. I was rank 1 before and most seasons since release. Depends on the killertier. Toptier killers usually 4k/hatch. Midtier killer half the time 4k/hatch, the other half people escape through the exitgates. Lowtier killers usually 1-2.
I find it easy to win most games, because most survivors aren't that good, regardless of rank. Against 3-4 good survivors i find it extremely difficult when they get a good map. If they stack decisive strikes, instaheals, unbreakables and sprint burst, you can't outpressure them. But luckily, those games are rare.
Strategywise, i'd recommend to watch ZubatLEL. He's one of the best killers i've seen. You generally want to learn how to mindgame pallets and play with your red stain routinely. To the point where you dont have to think about it, you just always moonwalk around corners and never show your red stain. Also slugging correctly is very important. Thats a lot of gut feeling though, as slugging can harm you just as much as it helps. You usually want to hook early in the game and slug later on.

And last but not least, relax its just a game. Dont care about pips or 4ks, just play to improve your gameplay. Then you wont be stressed.

HellDescent

Balance is the key. But there always be complaints no matter what they do. Good survivors can outplay the killer so is the other way around. It all depends on perks you have unlocked too. Going up against a doctor with bbq and chili, nurse's calling, distressing, unnerving presence and a few add-ons would be a nightmare.

Global

Since its asymmetric 1 survivor shouldnt be anywhere near as powerful as the killer with but if all 4 survivors work togther they should be on the same level as the killer but the current problem is that 1 survivor can loop for all 5 gens.

Vadim239

@Weederick said:

@Vadim239 said:
I have a question. What rank killer are you now? How many do you kill usually? Do you find it easy or extremely difficult? What perks, strategy etc. are you using?

I havent played since rank reset, since i was visitting home and only had my laptop with 15 fps. I was rank 1 before and most seasons since release. Depends on the killertier. Toptier killers usually 4k/hatch. Midtier killer half the time 4k/hatch, the other half people escape through the exitgates. Lowtier killers usually 1-2.
I find it easy to win most games, because most survivors aren't that good, regardless of rank. Against 3-4 good survivors i find it extremely difficult when they get a good map. If they stack decisive strikes, instaheals, unbreakables and sprint burst, you can't outpressure them. But luckily, those games are rare.
Strategywise, i'd recommend to watch ZubatLEL. He's one of the best killers i've seen. You generally want to learn how to mindgame pallets and play with your red stain routinely. To the point where you dont have to think about it, you just always moonwalk around corners and never show your red stain. Also slugging correctly is very important. Thats a lot of gut feeling though, as slugging can harm you just as much as it helps. You usually want to hook early in the game and slug later on.

And last but not least, relax its just a game. Dont care about pips or 4ks, just play to improve your gameplay. Then you wont be stressed.

THANKS.

Vadim239

@HellDescent said:
Balance is the key. But there always be complaints no matter what they do. Good survivors can outplay the killer so is the other way around. It all depends on perks you have unlocked too. Going up against a doctor with bbq and chili, nurse's calling, distressing, unnerving presence and a few add-ons would be a nightmare.

well.yeah. No argue with that.

Mikysama

Im maybe wrong but i thought about something. I think some survivors item should be limited as the tool box to avoid gen rushing. For example just 2 by group unless you find one in a chest during the match. I think also gens should be repair by 2 survivors and only one should not be able to fix it. To keep them under pressure and force group play. And the last survivor shouldnt can exit by the gate if they didnt fixed enough gens and escape only by the hatch.

jiminie

Yes they should, as certain people claim, they say Survivors need TEAMWORK to overcome the killer, tell me, what teamwork in a game with no way of communicating with eachother beside some pointless emotes?
And then they complain about SWF when they do actually work together and ask for it to be removed, even if a huge buff was to come for killers, 'hot #########' killer mains will always complain about SWF

Orion

@jiminie said:
Yes they should, as certain people claim, they say Survivors need TEAMWORK to overcome the killer, tell me, what teamwork in a game with no way of communicating with eachother beside some pointless emotes?
And then they complain about SWF when they do actually work together and ask for it to be removed, even if a huge buff was to come for killers, 'hot #########' killer mains will always complain about SWF

Don't project Survivor behavior onto Killers. Survivors outright demand free escapes and free hook rescues. Killers ask for the removal of free escapes and broken mechanics.

Mikysama

No way of communicating? On ps4 most use party to do it. Which is a bit unfair in my opinion because they can communicate through all the map without any problems. They should can use an in game chat working on the distance and if they use it bad or too loud then the killer should be able to hear them. But there is too much negative points in this since survivors enjoy trolling or insulting. Which is sad.

jiminie

@Mikysama said:
No way of communicating? On ps4 most use party to do it. Which is a bit unfair in my opinion because they can communicate through all the map without any problems. They should can use an in game chat working on the distance and if they use it bad or too loud then the killer should be able to hear them. But there is too much negative points in this since survivors enjoy trolling or insulting. Which is sad.

That's what SWF means, i was talking about in-game means of communicating for solo's

@Orion said:

@jiminie said:
Yes they should, as certain people claim, they say Survivors need TEAMWORK to overcome the killer, tell me, what teamwork in a game with no way of communicating with eachother beside some pointless emotes?
And then they complain about SWF when they do actually work together and ask for it to be removed, even if a huge buff was to come for killers, 'hot #########' killer mains will always complain about SWF

Don't project Survivor behavior onto Killers. Survivors outright demand free escapes and free hook rescues. Killers ask for the removal of free escapes and broken mechanics.

'Don't project Survivor behavior onto Killers?' Excuse me?
Stop acting like Survivors are the plague of this game, you killers are just as bad, if not even more, and broken mechanics? such as ?

Orion

@jiminie said:

@Orion said:

@jiminie said:
Yes they should, as certain people claim, they say Survivors need TEAMWORK to overcome the killer, tell me, what teamwork in a game with no way of communicating with eachother beside some pointless emotes?
And then they complain about SWF when they do actually work together and ask for it to be removed, even if a huge buff was to come for killers, 'hot #########' killer mains will always complain about SWF

Don't project Survivor behavior onto Killers. Survivors outright demand free escapes and free hook rescues. Killers ask for the removal of free escapes and broken mechanics.

'Don't project Survivor behavior onto Killers?' Excuse me?
Stop acting like Survivors are the plague of this game, you killers are just as bad, if not even more, and broken mechanics? such as ?

The vocal Survivors, minority or not, are the plague of this game. I won't get into the broken mechanics because I already know you'll refuse to acknowledge them as being broken.

Mikysama

Well i'm sorry but yes 80% of survivors im playing against are a plague. Even playing fair, they troll and send nasty pm when losing. So what is the interest to play killer if survivors do not fear us? I mean im not saying they should really fear us but they should feel pressure everytime the killer is around. Not to freely can t-bag. And about the solo way of communicating i gave an idea in my post. But most survivors are childish trolls so time they cannot play reasonably i don't think you will get your way of communicating. And this message do not point real good survivors which are a real pleasure to play against them even im losing. But too rare.

JammyJewels

Before I played this game I played Friday the 13th: The Game a lot. But whilst I did like the game I hated it for how easy it could be, how someone with no knowledge of the mechanics and with no real 'skill' in playing the game could run Jason around. Likewise, many Jasons could kill you and find you due to the intentionally overpowered design of Jason's abilities.

But then I played Dead By Daylight. And I realised I couldn't just run around and I actually had to play smart as both Killer and Survivor. And that's what I love about this game. I'd love to see Killers have an easier time of it but at the very same time, I still want it to require skill. A bad player should be punished due to their bad performance: we shouldn't discourage players from getting better by letting a buffed overpowered killer carry them. It should require practice to zoom across the map in a single Chainsaw Sprint as Hillbilly. It should require a ton of practice to nail the Nurse's Blinks. A Huntress should learn how her Hatchets work and how to aim them, likewise with a Doctor learning the perfect timing of when to zap during a chase.

Vadim239

Everytime I play DBD as killer, I wanna kill myself. But I know death is not an escape.