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What about rancor?
What pary of this perk is even SLIGHTLY fair? Oh, they did all the gens, so i know where you are, i can instadown you, and instakill you, thats so fun for everyone! At least with noed you need a totem, at least with a mori you need a hook, but rancor is just a skilless middle finger to whoever has obsession just for being obsession. Not to mention its a near terrible perk except to ruin one persons fun just because screw them. No im not an entitled survivor main, i have both sides rank 1. Nearly everything in this game has a counter, but not this, you get found after gens done because they dedicated to someone all game? boom, free kill.
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Rancor is an awful killer perk.
I've never used it, literally ever. EVER.
It's F tier for me. You can get better an easier results with Infectious Fright.
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Exactly. Its not good, just a complete middle finger to one person. At least rework to make it viable AND balanced
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How is being to insta down and kill ONE person at the END of the game is unbalanced? It's a ######### Noed. If your fun is only escaping then you should only play SWF and bring keys with you. This perk sucks so much almost no one uses it. I am sure you've started this thread because you or your friend got killed because of Rancor but guess what, I bet you won't see it anytime soon again (unless you play against the same guy).
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Rancor gives the killer bubble notifications; it doesn't actually tell the killer which of those notifications is the obsession. In most cases, the obsession will know that the killer is running Rancor because they'll see the killer's aura after each gen pops (which is very valuable information). I've escaped against Rancor as the obsession by hiding before the last gen pops.
I mean, Rancor is designed to work with the Spirit, who can't see auras when she's phasing, so it shows the bubble notifications. If that were all it did, however, it'd just be a much crappier Bitter Murmur. Plus, back when Spirit was released, DS was still the biggest pain-in-the-ass free-escape perk that let the survivor stab a killer with no prerequisite other than losing a chase. Rancor got around that, so the killer wasn't forced to eat the DS during the match; they could hunt down everyone else and save the obsession for after the last gen was completed. I used it for that very purpose and it was magnificent.
Now, Rancor has a sort of strange synergy with other obsession perks. For the most part, being the obsession is no longer a death sentence the way it used to be. Most killer obsession perks actually require the killer to not hit/kill the obsession. With Rancor, the killer can focus on the other survivors during the match but still have a chance at killing the obsession after the last gen has popped. That's not even a guaranteed death sentence, because if the obsession stays far away from the killer once it's down to one gen left, all they have to do is get out fast after someone else opens a door.
At least Rancor doesn't activate until after all the gens are done, not just when the exit gates are powered. That means if the obsession has a chance to go down to Rancor, they've already survived five gens. If I survive five gens and then die, I'm usually pretty damn happy I got to participate in the majority of the match.
Edit: I also might as well add that I almost never see Rancor. It's a very rare perk to go up against, at least in my experience.
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The slightly fair part is that the obsession knows it is active the second a gen is complete. so you can easilly play around it.
If you're so against it run Hope. If you are even decent at chases Hope makes you uncatchable. Other then that Adrenelline if you really hate non-meta perks. ensures you are at full health or atleast not downed. Playing stealth at the end also counters the perk.
Outside of Devour Hope, it's probably the most fair way to give a mori to a killer. If they have a kill challenge i would rather see rancor rather then a mori.
Besides Rancor builds where you try to mori everybody by changing the obsession are fun
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Lets see, the perk gives information bubbles when gens are completed. That is nice info. The obsession can see the auras of the killer when this happens. They are given warning that Rancor is on the table. If the obsession doesn't change, that is more than enough warning for them.
It isn't unfair for the killer, since it only activates when 5 gens are on.
It is also really funny when someone is hiding behind a tree next to me and a gen pops. It is the funniest thing ever. XD
It is a rare perk though, because it is very specific. And, I would admit, a relic from a time when DS was very different. But it shouldn’t change because it is fine now.
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Ok, i took this with a wrong approach, rancor needs a rework in general. Its not good, rarely used and can be made worldwide to survs with noed and an ebony. Its sole purpose right now is to go after one guy at the end for one free kill. Its not worth the perk slot and just screws over the obsession in all scenarios, its not that its unbalanced or op, its not good nor fun on either side. Apologies for a poor start, i was salty after being forced with rancor after running a spirit all game without even being hit only to get instadeath
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You might be right but unfortunately there are so many perks that need rework I don't think we will see this one reworked because it's not as trashy as monstrous shrine or relentless for example.
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I can't see him being added.
For one, he's too large to be a killer. And then BHVR would have a real job getting the license, especially now the franchise is owned by Disney.
.....😀
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I mean, I think it's more fun for survivors than NOED + a mori. Moris often result in survivors getting tunneled off the hook, whereas if the killer really wants to use Rancor to kill the obsession then the obsession will get to survive through five gens. I know when I see the killer's aura after a gen pops I get that "oh [BAD WORD]" moment and things feel more tense for it.
I use Rancor for the "kill a survivor by your own hand with _____" daily rituals. Rancor + Nemesis keeps it from feeling too much like I'm just killing someone unlucky enough to spawn in as the obsession. And I've still had the obsession escape at the end, because the other survivors body blocked for her.
There are a lot of killer (and survivor) perks that are rarely used, but at least this one can be useful for certain things (like that daily ritual) whereas Monstrous Shrine is just garbage all around.
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I mean it is pretty easy to find the obsession when that person uses object of obsession so rancor kinda counters that perk.
Personally rancor is my favorite perk
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######### are you talking about?
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😃
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ಠ_ಠ
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It should be easy to figure out but Disney owns so much stuff nowadays that i'm really struggling to figure it out
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It shows you the killers aura to warn you after a gen is completed. I've only been killed by it twice and I've been rancor about 20 times (tbh it's probably a lot more than 20 not that I think about it).
Here's info that will teach you how to counter it.
- It doesn't show the killer exactly which survivor is the obsession. So he has a 1/4 chance of guessing the correct survivor if all 4 are alive.
- When there's one gen left then you should hide in a locker. The killer won't see you once the gen is popped.
I find the perk exciting. Makes endgame extremely tense and fun for me. I would only use it if I was running a meme build or I had a mori daily.
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Not a guaranteed kill, bubbles for info is mediocre
Low tier perk
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I love how guys like you always say ,,frEe kIlL" when its clearly not. You have to ,,waste" a perk slot for it, find the obsession and you need to down the obsession. How is it a free kill?
I know it can be annoying. Once i had a clown just following me the entire match without hitting me because he just wanted to kill me at the end of the match because i was the obsession. But i knew it as soon as the first gen was done and tried to lose him the whole match until i was able to escape.
Its not even a strong perk.
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I like being the rancor obsession. Makes the endgame way more tense than it usually is, also it's not like you're being tunnelled + moried off hook, you've actually had a chance to play the game.
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I like using Rancor with Nemesis, Furtive Chase, and Whispers. Rancor Roulette I call it. You get to see the Survivors freak out as they pass it around.
That's fun, for me at least.
As for Rancor itself, I'm 90% sure it only exists just so you can complete the Mori Dailies without a Mori.
And no, it's not very fair, but meh; I also don't think it's a big problem.
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I might try that, possibly with myc instead of whispers
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Tbh, I'd bring it to kill my obsession during EGC if it worked after closing the hatch. It would make things more cinematic.
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Feel free, I just use Whispers on almost every build and Make Your Choice synergizes amazingly with the unhooker being Oblivious.
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"Its an F you middle finger to the obsession"
Yuo. Thats exactly what its meant for 😂
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Other than comboing nicely with STBFL it's honestly pretty garbo as you may never even see the obsession in endgame as it really doesn't give much info. It's a for fun mori perk.
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Rancor only works in an "ignore the obsession" build. Even when a gen pops you have no real idea where the rancor is, they have no unique indicator and yet they get to see you. The only chance you have to get value out of it's secondary ability is in a build where you deliberately leave them alive til the gens are done and kill two other survivors. Or just run a more consistent perk that doesn't give someone the benefits of their own fifth perk.
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I mean you don't have to wait until all gens are done and mori the obsession then you can take them out earlier and still get info without giving any away.
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Rancor only exists as long as there's a living obsession. No obsession, no info. You have to keep them alive or waste a perk slot. But then you can down and kill them. But only if you find them. And they have all the info they need to avoid you.
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I used rancor a lot in the past especially before DS was reworked, the bubbles show up even after the obsession dies.
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Eh, when Rancor is involved, it usually turns into one of the most intense matches, and the most fun ones. Its the one reason in the game that discourages being the Obsession and I like the thrill it offers.
Just the other day I faced a Clown with it while I had MoM. Escaping thanks to that extra health state against Rancor felt amazing.
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Rancor is a decent information perk. While bubbles are less useful than auras it's one advantage over Bitter Mumurs is that it shows the location of every survivor instead of survivors around the finished gen. The main problem is that since it's reliant on survivors finishing gens you can't control when you get the information so not every activation is going to be useful.
The mori is a nice bonus, but it's not really that great once you remember that all 5 gens must be finished. In most situations where all gens do get done most survivors are still alived at that point. Basically you are just getting a pity kill while the rest of the survivors leave. Plus the obsession has so many opportunities to know there is rancor in play that most obsession will just leave through the exit gates immediately anyways.
It's an okay perk, but there's just better options to find survivors that you can control better.
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There’s no better feeling than when you spawn in as the Obsession and somebody uses DS midway through the match...
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throughout the trial you receive multiple huge warnings the killer is running the perk in form of the killers aura being shown to you.
this additionally allows you to evade the killer more efficiently.
in the end all this perk really does is to push one survivor (the obsession) out of the trial as soon as they can leave.
if you stick around with Rancor active, well thats on you. and if you happened to be in a chase when the last gen popped, thats unfortunate, but still something you should have avoided.
during the endgame (lets say when one gen is left) you want to avoid the killer as good as possible to prevent said scenarios and then open a door and leave asap. thats how you counter Rancor.
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