Entitled Survivor Rule Book
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I'm not ignoring it. I think NOED is a problem because of campers using it and putting off the people that are just getting into the game. I already said I don't think it's great when playing normally. We clearly don't really disagree. I dunno why you think we do.
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Would hate to be the killer who lets 2 gens pop before a hook
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Implying you have control over what survivors do when you're not there. If you're not chasing me, I'm on a gen. So is every other survivor with more than half a neuron. If the guy you're chasing is somewhat competent, you will not get him down before I'm done with my gen.
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Because I dont think noeds a problem, so we dont agree. I also dont think camping is a problem, so we dont agree there either. Under the current system those new/newish survivors are still going to keep pipping past the guy that uses this specific strat and never changes. Theyll continue getting better, he wont.
Noed wasnt desingned to assist campers, its designed for end game builds. Nerfing it/removing it because some people play like ######### is a poor reason to do so. Just like nerfing DS because some survivors play like ######### while they have it is a bad idea.
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oops sorry i got it mixed up with resilience
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Yeah, I play hit and run GF. I'm not even getting into a chase. I'm getting everyone injured and bothering everyone to keep gens from popping. Obviously our play styles and killers would effect our outlook. I usually have a down and hook before a gen pops. Nurses, sloppy, and a mix of info perks on the best stealth killer in the game lol
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If you're hitting them you're definitely getting into chases. Hitting triggers the chase conditions. That said, no heal meta is a thing.
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Ohh ok lol. That is true then
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I think camping is an issue when it can chase people away from the game. The game having an influx of new people is very important. I'm not gonna change my mind about NOED being unhealthy for the game. So, we can agree to disagree.
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Happens in the reds. Some of these survivors are very good very smart. It also can happen if you go the wrong direction at the beginning of the match. Admittedly the better you are tge more rare it is but it happens to everyone
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A lot of crap chases people away from the game. Yet, despite all the supposedly rampant camping and NOED usage, the game has only grown. Could it be that these complaints are extremely exaggerated?
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I mean getting into a chase as in I focus on the survivor and run behind them. Not the game considering me in a chase. I bop them and then go on my way so that down the road I pop up out of stealth and bop them so they go down. GF is honestly one of the best killers if you use the cooldown addons imo. No terror radius or stain every 16 seconds. Then you have discordance/thana(depending on what you want) and bbq? Survivors are not gonna be having a fun time.
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Could be. DBD is an amazing game, but we all know it's far from well balanced lmao
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Camping and NOED are part of the game. Camping, like looping, always will be. Theres no changing either of those 2 things. It is what it is.
And thats fine, youre entitled to your opinion. It just seems the devs dont agree with you and the game is growing constantly and holding numbers sooo 🤷♂️
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The devs also think adrenaline and DS are fine. You agree with everything the Devs think? I know it's growing. I just hate to see things that could hinder those numbers. Camping will always be in the game. I wouldn't compare it to looping though
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I'm aware of Ghostface's effect on survivors. Personally I don't get it because I'm always looking around even if I don't hear the TR, but it seems to be an issue for them.
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Yeah, I picked GF when I bought the game day one. I've gotten so used to just popping up and getting grabs and bothering everyone to keep gens from popping it really hinders my ability to play other killers. I've just gotten so used to that play style lol
Edit : Said hooks instead of gens lol
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That's his best counter, but it's hard to react when he knows right where you are and you aren't in a gen with full visibility. Like gens in shacks and around walls are so good for him
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I agree with the devs that adrenaline and ds are fine specifically. No I dont always agree with the devs, but I can usually explain why with actual justifications. Like nerfing ruin without also implementing changes to ease match speeds. That was a bad decision as so many at tge tine relied on it for a legit reason.
Camping and looping are both strategies employed to help their side meet their objective. 1 is inefficient and bad strategy, the other is efficient and good strategy. So yes, they are comparable. Its just in 2020 1 is frowned upon by the community and the other isnt.
And, just as an aside, only one of them has ever been considered an exploit by the devs (hint, its not camping).
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I have good reflexes. The only killer that might sneak up on me is the Wraith, and that's only because he's literally invisible.
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Looping infinites is 100% an exploit. I dunno if I'd say they're comparable unless you're comparing infinites to camping. Most people don't 'camp' though. Staying around a hook because survivors around the hook is 100% fine. I agree with ruin, but I think DS should have a few other ways to turn off. Adrenaline is fine until every single person in the game has it lmao
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Really? I find it much easier to react to wraith. He has to bong before being able to hit and is still a bit visible with his wobbly model. GF just pops out around the corner and smacks. I mean, I obviously don't play survivor much so I don't really know, but most people consider him pretty low tier.
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I don't wait for someone to die to break totems I assume all killers have it and break any totems I see during the match.
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Yeah, noed isn't great in a regular game. I just think it's an issue that it compliments facecamping.
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When the game first released looping AT ALL was considered an exploit. Infinites always held that moniker.
Camping is not now nor has it ever been considered an exploit by the devs. And most people dont camp because its inefficient (and honestly kind of boring). But there are times in a match where it makes sense to do so. Just like looping makes sense, and ill give you an example.
I put someone on their 2nd hook. I go away, chase, hook someone else. Tge other dude is still on hook so i come back to check the hook. When i get tgere, theres nobody there and the survivor has maybe 15 20 seconds left. In this situation, camping that last little bit isnt a terrible call. Thats 1 less person working on gens. But it IS camping.
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Well, looping certainly isn't an exploit anymore because they put loops in all their maps. I don't think that sort of camping is bad. I think face-camping is bad and NOED is great for face-campers. That's just like my opinion man
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Funny, thats how i feel about 90% of posts i read from you.
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You haven't understood the basis of this game it seems.
The game is designed in a way where all gens WILL pop unless the survivors ROYALLY screw up. Mathematically alone survivors will be able to do all gens unless they derp around or don't last more than 20 seconds in a chase which only happens agaisnt hightier killers that are able to effectively counter loops or instadown and punish hard mistakes.
The devs designed this game around 2 people escaping which is why the gentime is so low, even getting a single hook should always cost you about 1 gen if you calculate chasetime at full resources+finding ppl+hooking them.
You should never be able to 4k survivors who go by the following basics:
Run as far away from still active gens
Don't run to teammates
Do gens and do bones
Don't be overly altruistic
Depip squad did an experiment on this and yeah, those were great players but you don't have to be a great player to hold m1. The main issue is that you will mostly win because holding m1 is boring as hell and doesn't make you pip.
Most kills in this game you get is because of altruism, that's not you being good, that's people trying to have fun while you have to sweat.
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A lot of people use it. Saw a rank one with it last night.
Not everyone who camps use it but the people who do camp rarely ever used it on me due to me doing bones and gens.
Had a Billy camp the basement by the time it took him to down his first person two gens popped
Some people are just not good at chases and or loops.
Anyhow moral of the story you can't really generalize a perk for the sake of CaMpErS
If people did not go down in a 30 sec chase it would not be an issue and if the killer chased you longer then a few minutes they just wasted their own time and if the other teammates did gens congrats on them if they did not then yeah potatoes.
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Well, if the devs are going for a 2 survivor escape ratio they've done it poorly. It wasn't even that back before they shrunk the maps and got rid of pallets. I seriously doubt it's that now even though they won't release the stats.
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Im not saying it is considered an exploit now. My point is it used to be while camping has never been considered an exploit. Despite NOED, and camping, the game has continued growing. Like I mentioned, youre entitled to your opinion and you can play however you want to. But so can the face camping noeder and clearly hes not hindering the game as a whole.
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I don't disagree. Most people are bad at chases and in higher ranks NOED isn't used all that much. I worry more about green ranks and the newbies it hurts. I don't think it's a good perk in most situations.
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Because that accounts for optimal survivorplay. Which doesn't happen that often since people are you know...trying to have fun and derp around.
I tried to do optimal play with friends, let's just say I am never invited into regular SWFs with my "doesn't matter if you die we will escape" or "just le me die and escape" attitude.
If one half your playerbase isn't taking the game seriously most of the time then stats mean nothing.
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I agree he's not hindering the game as a whole.
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Yeah, also most people aren't all that good at the game. Most people aren't going to chase you for more than 20-30 seconds unless they're very good and you can usually tell when they're the chasers of the team so you just go for their teammates first, right?
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Honestly, given the state of matchmaking and the effect SWF has on it, the new player experience can already be absolutely awful for killers.
Hard to fault them for using something they think might even the playing field a bit because you think it'll "hurt newbies".
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A chase willl always at least last for 20 seconds unless you play stuff like billy that can instadown ppl at will or nurse that can port right after you.
If you don't last 20 seconds against e.g a legion (total chase time, not measured from first hit) then you literally outplayed yourself by trying to play around a nearby loop instead of going distance.
And if map RNG is in your favour (which it often is btw) then you get matches like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRim0z5SmpQ where it's pallets galore and a normal killer would be absolutely useless against a team that doesn't run around and does whatever instead of just focusing on gens.
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Honestly facts. The matchmaking sucks atm
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True. It can be harder for killers that actually have to chase. I don't really need to chase as GF. It's super easy to just do hit and runs and bother everyone to keep up the pressure. I rarely have a game where a gen pops before I get a hook. Obviously there are those games where people just hold m1 on 3 different gens and they all pop at once while you mess around with their friend.
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Most killers dont have that luxury, its why freddy is so strong. he doesn't lose time after he commited for a single hit, after that single hit he can just teleport to a gen. With a normal killer and no sloppy even selfcare is better than what ppl account for because it takes like what...24 secs to heal yourself after you wasted the killers time for AT LEAST 20 seconds while you still have teammates?
I mean the game where scottjund played against depip squad, did they play optimally? heck no, and he still only got 2 kills out of it while they had no perks no items etc. Yeah the game is different now but I'd digress and say it's gotten easier for survivors with the removal of ruin and having pallets every 8m.
I would love to feel like I won the game because I as a killer was better, but there's always this feeling that "if they just split up I'd probably be ######### after seeing 6 pallets in a straight row".
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Yeah, honestly. It's one of the reasons I feel like I've never been able to relate to the "survivor sided" arguments even though I fully feel it when I try new killers. I tend to just level killers in the background if I want their perks and use the shrine. I don't get how people don't think GF is one of the best killers in the game. Maybe because his reveal mechanic is still busted lol
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Sure, he has to bong, and that's what gives me time to escape. I just meant he can get close to me, more than any other killer.
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Yeah, but lots use the addon that makes his bong static and the same for everyone across the map just to mix people up more. So, he can use his speed boost after the bong to hit you without realizing
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I have eyes, I'll see him turning visible and vault through a window long before he's finished.
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Just as an aside, dont chase someone through 6 pallets. Believe when i tell you its a mistake I still make, even though i know better.
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Yeah, if you're at a gen with full visibility. There aren't many of those on every map. He does it around the corner and dashes around that angle? Scary lol
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I'm too cautious for that. I'll just assume he's near me if I don't know where he is.
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It be like that. Most aren't that cautious.
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This is the killer version. LOL
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This is the survivor one.
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