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  • Giche
    Giche Member Posts: 753

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Well, I'll say this, we're now over 24 hours since she was released and all of the things people were dubious about yesterday at 2 hours they remain dubious about now at 26 hours. So I'm not sure how "knee jerk" a reaction it was. Again, some people sure made the usual "Killer sucks, garbage chapter" posts but they were actually a minority. Oh well. It is what it is.

    Still doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to start crying about a new killer.

    That will be reasonable when it will be released.

    Then peoples will tell us : "Everything is fine, quit whining :) "

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  • steezo_de
    steezo_de Member Posts: 1,213

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I don't know about that. All of powerful killers are really old. We need a new top tier killer imo. They have nearly done that with the clown but he doesn't have slugging ability and map pressure.

    The clown is my favorite though.

    I would rather them not put a killer out too powerful when they still have map redesign to work on. I already know they're going to rework nurse, and it's not going to be for the better.. so top tier? I think would be a mistake... unless they can make her between Huntress/Billy, and I think it's still too early to tell. But if she's Clown tier then I'm fine too because he's up there, I think reight below Myers... and maybe under Wraith after his update. As far as slugging, that's a high risk high reward tactic that you take a chance on to get that 4k. I can't see them blaancing a killer around that even though that's how we play it. If devs are going for 2 death 2 escape as average then I think ikillers like Clown are fine for the average person.

    The new building window/door spawn changes are going to be big with everyone besides nurse and that will bring killers up in overall effectiveness.. especially if they make more changes like that.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    LOL new killer is out for 2 days and immediately she's low tier because people haven't found how to optimize with her yet. Remember when Freddy came out and everyone said he was OP. Yea, this is kinda the same thing.

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I don't know about that. All of powerful killers are really old. We need a new top tier killer imo. They have nearly done that with the clown but he doesn't have slugging ability and map pressure.

    The clown is my favorite though.

    I would rather them not put a killer out too powerful when they still have map redesign to work on. I already know they're going to rework nurse, and it's not going to be for the better.. so top tier? I think would be a mistake... unless they can make her between Huntress/Billy, and I think it's still too early to tell. But if she's Clown tier then I'm fine too because he's up there, I think reight below Myers... and maybe under Wraith after his update. As far as slugging, that's a high risk high reward tactic that you take a chance on to get that 4k. I can't see them blaancing a killer around that even though that's how we play it. If devs are going for 2 death 2 escape as average then I think ikillers like Clown are fine for the average person.

    The new building window/door spawn changes are going to be big with everyone besides nurse and that will bring killers up in overall effectiveness.. especially if they make more changes like that.

    When did they say that they were gonna rework nurse? I believe they said that they weren't gonna change her. I want to see killers that are as much powerful as hillbilliy. Nurse is stupidly strong while billy is strong but you have your means to fight against him. The most balanced killer imo though you are right about map changes. Maybe it is gonna change the game a little bit.

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    @Delfador said:

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Well, I'll say this, we're now over 24 hours since she was released and all of the things people were dubious about yesterday at 2 hours they remain dubious about now at 26 hours. So I'm not sure how "knee jerk" a reaction it was. Again, some people sure made the usual "Killer sucks, garbage chapter" posts but they were actually a minority. Oh well. It is what it is.

    Still doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to start crying about a new killer.

    When can we start to cry? After ptb when there will be almost no chance to buff her?

    If it comes out of the ptb and no feedback is heard just don't buy her. Consumerism at it's finest grind the character for perks or wait for them to get in the shrine. The idea of I'm not happy but let me give you money for an inferior product is foolish.

    She is too difficult for me to play so I am never gonna touch her. I am a survivor main. I just want to see another top tier killer that I can play against. She doesn't seem like one.

    I just rage quitted because the last killer was 7th billy in a row. They need to create a difficult top tier killer.

  • Giche
    Giche Member Posts: 753

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    I think they are being babies also. I'm starting to wonder if we should ages before people are allowed on the forum. I pointed you out because after watching people play all day yesterday, I was excited to read the feedback. So many negative posts but you seem all over them and the most negative. If she is that bad don't play her or buy her. Play your current main and stop complaining till you see how she is when she comes out of the PTB.

    PTB is there to give feedback (that can be edited later) and you tell him to shut up .

    Are you ok ?

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    If it comes out of the ptb and no feedback is heard just don't buy her. Consumerism at it's finest grind the character for perks or wait for them to get in the shrine. The idea of I'm not happy but let me give you money for an inferior product is foolish.

    On this one we can agree.

    But why should i have to "boycott" it when there is a PTB who can potentialy change thing for the better... with feedbacks.

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  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    @Dwights_leftfoot said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Well, I'll say this, we're now over 24 hours since she was released and all of the things people were dubious about yesterday at 2 hours they remain dubious about now at 26 hours. So I'm not sure how "knee jerk" a reaction it was. Again, some people sure made the usual "Killer sucks, garbage chapter" posts but they were actually a minority. Oh well. It is what it is.

    Still doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to start crying about a new killer.

    No? Then why are survivors still crying about potential DS and SC nerfs/changes before they're even on the PTB? It hasn't even been 2 hours and you guys won't shut up about those two points, will you?

    Fact is, doesn't matter if it's 2 hours or 200 hours the flaws in the spirit's kit are obvious to reasonable people who don't go around telling people they're "crying" when, in fact, all they are doing is discussing things like adults.

    I think they are being babies also. I'm starting to wonder if we should ages before people are allowed on the forum. I pointed you out because after watching people play all day yesterday, I was excited to read the feedback. So many negative posts but you seem all over them and the most negative. If she is that bad don't play her or buy her. Play your current main and stop complaining till you see how she is when she comes out of the PTB.

    If the feedback would be positive, you would not call people "babies" for "making an opinion on killer 1 day after his release", am I right?

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    I feel like the add-on that shows you survivors' blood should be built-in to her main kit and then rework that add-on to make scratch marks glow more red/purple as well as causing more scratch marks to appear during he phase walk. However it's too early to tell but I wouldn't say she's top tier... Maybe mid-high tier at best.
  • steezo_de
    steezo_de Member Posts: 1,213

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I don't know about that. All of powerful killers are really old. We need a new top tier killer imo. They have nearly done that with the clown but he doesn't have slugging ability and map pressure.

    The clown is my favorite though.

    I would rather them not put a killer out too powerful when they still have map redesign to work on. I already know they're going to rework nurse, and it's not going to be for the better.. so top tier? I think would be a mistake... unless they can make her between Huntress/Billy, and I think it's still too early to tell. But if she's Clown tier then I'm fine too because he's up there, I think reight below Myers... and maybe under Wraith after his update. As far as slugging, that's a high risk high reward tactic that you take a chance on to get that 4k. I can't see them blaancing a killer around that even though that's how we play it. If devs are going for 2 death 2 escape as average then I think ikillers like Clown are fine for the average person.

    The new building window/door spawn changes are going to be big with everyone besides nurse and that will bring killers up in overall effectiveness.. especially if they make more changes like that.

    When did they say that they were gonna rework nurse? I believe they said that they weren't gonna change her. I want to see killers that are as much powerful as hillbilliy. Nurse is stupidly strong while billy is strong but you have your means to fight against him. The most balanced killer imo though you are right about map changes. Maybe it is gonna change the game a little bit.

    Nurse base rework** is pure speculation by me because whenever they finally get to map redesign, it's not going to be in the survivor's favor. The nurse is already too strong as she is and will be even stronger after the change. I don't understand why they don't fix the maps first because I think that would help out killers a lot. The window/door changes on the PTB are a good start and I don't think they would need to do a whole lot more to tile rng... unless they were thinking of a complete overhaul of the maps, then yeah that would be a huge project.

    **As far as the nurse's perks, those will eventually be changed. Mclean said he wanted to work on all killer perks. He said this on his personal stream.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388
    So we are still doing this? Is all the salt because the dev basically said shutup 2hrs in or because you believe she won't get buffed before release? I just can't tell anymore. They can't patch mid ptb. Do you expect an announcement with the changes before they collect all the data?
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  • NextKillerSpongebob
    NextKillerSpongebob Member Posts: 271

    @Fengminni said:
    She is not low tier she is definitely high tier. 
    2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
    3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.

    Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour and she is really a strong killer if people actually take the time to understand her perks and ability. For me she is definitely up there with the the nurse and hillbilly. She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors 

    She is low tier. She is only high tier right now because she is new and no one really knows how to play against her. She is however even weaker than Freddy as of now

  • Global
    Global Member Posts: 770

    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

  • JEWberry
    JEWberry Member Posts: 78
    RSB said:

    @JEWberry said:
    I don’t understand why all of you are complaining about the killer when it has literally been a day. She literally has very similar advantages that the nurse does with some weaknesses.

    She can traverse the map fairly quickly like nurse and billy.

    She can't she has 20s cooldown after running for ~30m

    She can negate pallet loops to an extent like nurse and huntress.

    When she tries to outplay the surv, he can just walk away to the next loop unseen.

    She can mindgame very well like huntress and nurse.

    See above

    Her power has a cooldown when used for extended durations and u cannot see survivors unlike the nurse.
    However, if using her power CORRECTLY, the cooldown is very short.

    If, as you said, she can travel as well as Billy/Nurse, then she needs to suffer from 20s stun. The "correct" use of her power depends on the loop. If we are speaking about 2 "T" walls with vaults and pallet, then she will often need to use whole her power, again suffering from 20s stun.

    She takes a long time to learn how to play like the nurse and huntress.

    While Nurse can do everything better than her, and Huntress is more rewarding, I would say that Rin is too underpowered for downsides of her power.

    All of this combined allows her to down survivors rapidly causing her to snowball out of control like the nurse. 1 day isn’t enough to determine whether or not if she is good or bad but all of her plusses add up to being top-tier. Just because she can’t “see” survivors does not mean she does not know where they are.

    Seeing survivors is the last thing she needs. But being able to see blood, see the auras if having an aura reading perks, and reducing the cooldowns and charge time for her power is something she really needs.

    You say that the survivor can just walk to the next loop unseen. If u don’t see scratch marks stop using the ability lmao. If the duration is so short there is no way the survivor can break line of sight before u noticing that the scratch marks stop. You can even cancel her ability before pulling it off to see how the survivor reacts to you using your ability so you know what their built in reaction is when actually deciding how you want to trick them. Also most people force pull pallets rather than loop them when against her(in my experience) which makes it way easier when dealing with late game. In the "T" wall loop you describe, you can use the husk form to block the pallet if they choose to withhold pulling it or place it in front of a window or passage way. The husk is important for places with multiple entries and exits so that you can FORCE them to go where you want them to. This can allow for shorter bursts with her power in loop locations. 

    And you realize the blood you can see is not a glitch? It’s the blood the survivors drop BEFORE she uses her ability thus allowing her to see it. The only buff i could settle with is making the cooldown 2-4 seconds shorter but 4 seconds is a bit of a stretch.

    You also said that she can’t travel around fast but she literally travels faster than 3/4ths of the cast including the cooldown(nurse, billy, and wraith are faster. hag in certain situations). Sure it isn't optimal to call AMAZING travel but it still makes it easier to get to far away gens and she will suffer the 20s cooldown like you said. I never said she is as fast as hillbilly and nurse though i only said that she was able to travel decently quick like they can(30 meters in about 5 seconds is pretty ######### fast).

    You never really give an opinion on that she takes a long time to learn whether you agree or disagree but you do say that the huntress is more rewarding. Nurse is better, no doubt. But huntress still gets looped, and doesn't have a way to deal with loops that break in LOS which hurts her time. The Spirit can break any loop if she learns how the survivor works. Huntress can still disrespect pallet pulls and throw a hatchet but that's if the survivor isn't paying attention to how the Huntress is playing. I feel that shorter loops also favor the Spirit extremely well compared to the huntress because once again, huntress still has to loop it as well unless if the wall is short enough. 

    You say it like these negative aspects of her make her low tier which i have to disagree on. She has too many advantages that are meta rn that counteract the bad. It's just too early and too much to say that she is low tier. The only maps that might pose a problem are maps with many corners and doors like Lery's memorial institute only when she is using her ability but thinking of a strategy beforehand can really help out those situations.
  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    That's illogical.

    I think she's fine. I've seen some pretty dirty Spirits lately...

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  • Global
    Global Member Posts: 770

    @Brady said:

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    That's illogical.

    I think she's fine. I've seen some pretty dirty Spirits lately...

    every killer that has came out in the ptb has been called op i have yet to see a "please nerf spirit she to gud" post i guess she could be good at rank 20 - 17 but any further down it just doesnt seem possible to me. I havent played her yet in the PTB i just checked wraiths buffs with my friend in the ptb. just really dont like her ability its more of a hinderance than something to help id probably only pick her up for the haunting grounds hex.

  • JEWberry
    JEWberry Member Posts: 78

    @Global said:

    @Brady said:

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    That's illogical.

    I think she's fine. I've seen some pretty dirty Spirits lately...

    every killer that has came out in the ptb has been called op i have yet to see a "please nerf spirit she to gud" post i guess she could be good at rank 20 - 17 but any further down it just doesnt seem possible to me. I havent played her yet in the PTB i just checked wraiths buffs with my friend in the ptb. just really dont like her ability its more of a hinderance than something to help id probably only pick her up for the haunting grounds hex.

    "I haven't played her yet in the PTB" that literally makes your view on her skewed as an assumption than what u actually find out through experience. Give her a try and play a few games. Figure out your opinion once you have experience.

  • Global
    Global Member Posts: 770

    @JEWberry said:

    @Global said:

    @Brady said:

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    That's illogical.

    I think she's fine. I've seen some pretty dirty Spirits lately...

    every killer that has came out in the ptb has been called op i have yet to see a "please nerf spirit she to gud" post i guess she could be good at rank 20 - 17 but any further down it just doesnt seem possible to me. I havent played her yet in the PTB i just checked wraiths buffs with my friend in the ptb. just really dont like her ability its more of a hinderance than something to help id probably only pick her up for the haunting grounds hex.

    "I haven't played her yet in the PTB" that literally makes your view on her skewed as an assumption than what u actually find out through experience. Give her a try and play a few games. Figure out your opinion once you have experience.

    Id rather wait until i get to a the "noobie" ranks before trying her because i dont need try something to know wether or not it will be not so good especially when the only people playing ptb are swf groups.

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  • Weederick
    Weederick Member Posts: 1,080

    @Global said:

    @JEWberry said:

    @Global said:

    @Brady said:

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    That's illogical.

    I think she's fine. I've seen some pretty dirty Spirits lately...

    every killer that has came out in the ptb has been called op i have yet to see a "please nerf spirit she to gud" post i guess she could be good at rank 20 - 17 but any further down it just doesnt seem possible to me. I havent played her yet in the PTB i just checked wraiths buffs with my friend in the ptb. just really dont like her ability its more of a hinderance than something to help id probably only pick her up for the haunting grounds hex.

    "I haven't played her yet in the PTB" that literally makes your view on her skewed as an assumption than what u actually find out through experience. Give her a try and play a few games. Figure out your opinion once you have experience.

    Id rather wait until i get to a the "noobie" ranks before trying her because i dont need try something to know wether or not it will be not so good especially when the only people playing ptb are swf groups.

    Or you go wreck faces, as she is a contender for toptier

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I don't know about that. All of powerful killers are really old. We need a new top tier killer imo. They have nearly done that with the clown but he doesn't have slugging ability and map pressure.

    The clown is my favorite though.

    I would rather them not put a killer out too powerful when they still have map redesign to work on. I already know they're going to rework nurse, and it's not going to be for the better.. so top tier? I think would be a mistake... unless they can make her between Huntress/Billy, and I think it's still too early to tell. But if she's Clown tier then I'm fine too because he's up there, I think reight below Myers... and maybe under Wraith after his update. As far as slugging, that's a high risk high reward tactic that you take a chance on to get that 4k. I can't see them blaancing a killer around that even though that's how we play it. If devs are going for 2 death 2 escape as average then I think ikillers like Clown are fine for the average person.

    The new building window/door spawn changes are going to be big with everyone besides nurse and that will bring killers up in overall effectiveness.. especially if they make more changes like that.

    When did they say that they were gonna rework nurse? I believe they said that they weren't gonna change her. I want to see killers that are as much powerful as hillbilliy. Nurse is stupidly strong while billy is strong but you have your means to fight against him. The most balanced killer imo though you are right about map changes. Maybe it is gonna change the game a little bit.

    Nurse base rework** is pure speculation by me because whenever they finally get to map redesign, it's not going to be in the survivor's favor. The nurse is already too strong as she is and will be even stronger after the change. I don't understand why they don't fix the maps first because I think that would help out killers a lot. The window/door changes on the PTB are a good start and I don't think they would need to do a whole lot more to tile rng... unless they were thinking of a complete overhaul of the maps, then yeah that would be a huge project.

    **As far as the nurse's perks, those will eventually be changed. Mclean said he wanted to work on all killer perks. He said this on his personal stream.

    I don't think so.

    They didn't change the maps a lot. They generally changed the main buildings which have no meaning for nurse since you can't loop her. There is no change in the game that can make her more powerful right now.

    None of the nurse's perks is problem. Stridor is bad, thana is really bad I still don't know why people use it and nurse's calling is well between okay and good.

  • TheDarkLycan
    TheDarkLycan Member Posts: 435
    RSB said:

    ...low tier killer. Really, I think she can aspire to be the new worst killer.

    1. She can sprint slower than Billy, she needs to charge her sprint longer than him, her sprint is like 3-5 seconds, and she has a big cooldown for it, when she ends sprinting.
    2. While she is sprinting she CAN'T see the survivors. Really, she can't, this is in her basic kit, they are literally invisible for her.
    3. I think... she is actually slow as a Huntress?
    4. She should not be stunned in one place while charging her power, she should be able to move.

    Really, what is this? A crippled Billy? Without being able to see survivors, with a big cooldown, and without ability to hurt survivors with your sprint?

    This may be the first Chapter I will not buy for real money, despite the killer looks really really great - she is just as weak as good she looks.

    I agree a bit, she does have 115% movement speed btw which if I'm not mistaken is same as trapper and some others, her ability is iffy due to the need of an add-on to see blood when you should just need bloodhound or something and the movement in her shift isn't meant for getting across map like Billy, it's mentioned for stopping people for looping and for catching up to survivors and lastly the part about what if survivors are not running or hurt is kinda dumb since if they are not running then that just means you don't use the power and injure them and use the power if they are not injured to get to them or mindgame them like she is meant to be used for. Though it seems only the good players can see how good The Spirit is going to be. (Btw her ability cooldown isn't bad since her add-ons help relieve the stress of the 20 wait time.)
  • JEWberry
    JEWberry Member Posts: 78

    @TheDarkLycan said:

    I agree a bit, she does have 115% movement speed btw which if I'm not mistaken is same as trapper and some others, her ability is iffy due to the need of an add-on to see blood when you should just need bloodhound or something and the movement in her shift isn't meant for getting across map like Billy, it's mentioned for stopping people for looping and for catching up to survivors and lastly the part about what if survivors are not running or hurt is kinda dumb since if they are not running then that just means you don't use the power and injure them and use the power if they are not injured to get to them or mindgame them like she is meant to be used for. Though it seems only the good players can see how good The Spirit is going to be. (Btw her ability cooldown isn't bad since her add-ons help relieve the stress of the 20 wait time.)

    Good post, idk about the 115% movement speed but i agree with everything else. Although her power is not meant for movement, it is still an option nonetheless. Hopefully people begin to see her potential when she is out for a longer period of time.

  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436

    Use bloodhound on her.

    Even from gameplay, it's not hard to tell where an injured survivor is, let alone one that's leaving scratch marks.

    -She has map pressure
    -Ambush, Is it really that hard to tell if someone's on a generator? Really? Use your brain.
    -She is fun to use and go against, something they aim for.

    No survivors are complaining, because infact, most of us think she's fairly balanced. In red ranks on PTB, it's been a very varied test so far - 4Ks here, 0Ks there, 1-3Ks sometimes. Personal experience here. Most of us already adapted, and I've even been using a special build just for her.

    Everyone who's so quick to comments, doesn't actually bother with the PTB and actually playing it.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I believe she is worse than clown. But look what happened to clown, its like he has never been introduced to the game. You only see bamboozle, clown himself dissapeared

  • steezo_de
    steezo_de Member Posts: 1,213

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:

    @Delfador said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I don't know about that. All of powerful killers are really old. We need a new top tier killer imo. They have nearly done that with the clown but he doesn't have slugging ability and map pressure.

    The clown is my favorite though.

    I would rather them not put a killer out too powerful when they still have map redesign to work on. I already know they're going to rework nurse, and it's not going to be for the better.. so top tier? I think would be a mistake... unless they can make her between Huntress/Billy, and I think it's still too early to tell. But if she's Clown tier then I'm fine too because he's up there, I think reight below Myers... and maybe under Wraith after his update. As far as slugging, that's a high risk high reward tactic that you take a chance on to get that 4k. I can't see them blaancing a killer around that even though that's how we play it. If devs are going for 2 death 2 escape as average then I think ikillers like Clown are fine for the average person.

    The new building window/door spawn changes are going to be big with everyone besides nurse and that will bring killers up in overall effectiveness.. especially if they make more changes like that.

    When did they say that they were gonna rework nurse? I believe they said that they weren't gonna change her. I want to see killers that are as much powerful as hillbilliy. Nurse is stupidly strong while billy is strong but you have your means to fight against him. The most balanced killer imo though you are right about map changes. Maybe it is gonna change the game a little bit.

    Nurse base rework** is pure speculation by me because whenever they finally get to map redesign, it's not going to be in the survivor's favor. The nurse is already too strong as she is and will be even stronger after the change. I don't understand why they don't fix the maps first because I think that would help out killers a lot. The window/door changes on the PTB are a good start and I don't think they would need to do a whole lot more to tile rng... unless they were thinking of a complete overhaul of the maps, then yeah that would be a huge project.

    **As far as the nurse's perks, those will eventually be changed. Mclean said he wanted to work on all killer perks. He said this on his personal stream.

    I don't think so.

    They didn't change the maps a lot. They generally changed the main buildings which have no meaning for nurse since you can't loop her. There is no change in the game that can make her more powerful right now.

    None of the nurse's perks is problem. Stridor is bad, thana is really bad I still don't know why people use it and nurse's calling is well between okay and good.

    Maybe not make her more powerful, but with the map balance that is currently survivor favored, after map changes it will make all killers that much more stronger. And that's what I'm getting at. They're making changes to issues that just might be fixed by tackling the biggest problem of all and that is map design.

    I didn't mean perks, I meant addons.Mclean didn't say anything about adjusting her perks.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @NextKillerSpongebob said:

    @Fengminni said:
    She is not low tier she is definitely high tier. 
    2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
    3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.

    Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour and she is really a strong killer if people actually take the time to understand her perks and ability. For me she is definitely up there with the the nurse and hillbilly. She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors 

    She is low tier. She is only high tier right now because she is new and no one really knows how to play against her. She is however even weaker than Freddy as of now

    After a single day survivors adapted enough already, I have seen decent killers get completely rekt by survivors already, you just gotta know how to juke the killer (survivors are invisible), they can do all sorts of things, leave the loop, walk back in your own steps, stop running etc etc
    There are so many ways to counter her and playing her is insanely difficult and not rewarding enough

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @Brady said:
    Use bloodhound on her.

    Even from gameplay, it's not hard to tell where an injured survivor is, let alone one that's leaving scratch marks.

    -She has map pressure
    -Ambush, Is it really that hard to tell if someone's on a generator? Really? Use your brain.
    -She is fun to use and go against, something they aim for.

    No survivors are complaining, because infact, most of us think she's fairly balanced. In red ranks on PTB, it's been a very varied test so far - 4Ks here, 0Ks there, 1-3Ks sometimes. Personal experience here. Most of us already adapted, and I've even been using a special build just for her.

    Everyone who's so quick to comments, doesn't actually bother with the PTB and actually playing it.

    This is my personal experience.

    When she uses her ability for map pressure, she has no weapon against loops. It takes too much time to charge it while she has %110 ms. When she uses it in chases, a lot of pallets are not being used so you always have protection against her.

    Her ambush is not that good. I need to be honest, maybe I didn't face enough good killers but I am in the red ranks too.

    She is fun to play and go against, I have no objection here.

    I think you are making a mistake when you say there are 4Ks etc. I don't think that I have ever done a generator in the PTB. Why would I sit on a generator, try to win the game in PTB? I generally follow the killer, try my new survivor perks, try to get her attention to chase me so that I can observe. It will be very different experience when she goes live because everybody will start to try to win the game as usual.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @JEWberry said:
    I don’t understand why all of you are complaining about the killer when it has literally been a day. She literally has very similar advantages that the nurse does with some weaknesses.

    She can traverse the map fairly quickly like nurse and billy.

    She can negate pallet loops to an extent like nurse and huntress.

    She can mindgame very well like huntress and nurse.

    Her power has a cooldown when used for extended durations and u cannot see survivors unlike the nurse.
    However, if using her power CORRECTLY, the cooldown is very short.

    She takes a long time to learn how to play like the nurse and huntress.

    All of this combined allows her to down survivors rapidly causing her to snowball out of control like the nurse. 1 day isn’t enough to determine whether or not if she is good or bad but all of her plusses add up to being top-tier. Just because she can’t “see” survivors does not mean she does not know where they are.

    Nurses has map control - spirit hasnt
    nurses can go through walls pallets and windows - spirit cant
    Nurse has no cooldown on jump, spirit has

    Spirit has no tools to negate looping, she gets rekt by every single window and has to rely on bad survivors making mistakes. The reason why nurse is so strong is because you dont need to rely on survivors mistake to do well, no, you own skill determines your chance to get them.

    Spirit is nowhere close to nurse and no amount of practising will change that.

    Sure, I guess an experienced killer puting in tons of hours into her will be a wrecking ball against average survivors, but when it comes to a coordinated SWF, RIP

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    @Global said:
    Survivors arent complaining about how op she is....thats how weak she is

    Yeah, when survivors are defending her so adamantly it tells you how effective she is. Sadly the Devs posted as recently as an hour ago on the PTB Forum that they're not listening to feedback and, as of now, there are no changes planned for her. Too bad.

    Too bad, but maybe we have more luck in 3 months :wink:
    Until then, back to billy/nurse only. I cant believe that we actually got 13 killers now, such large variety true? :wink:

  • steezo_de
    steezo_de Member Posts: 1,213

    @Master said:

    @steezo_de said:
    If she's somewhere around Clown effectiveness, I'm fine with her. It's only been a day so I'll see how it plays out.

    I believe she is worse than clown. But look what happened to clown, its like he has never been introduced to the game. You only see bamboozle, clown himself dissapeared

    I think that's because while effective, he's boring. His power doesn't boost me. It just unboosts the survivor. Boring. It's a different type of power tho so I can appreciate it... it's just not for me. I have no problem killing with him tho and if I can get the same kill ratio with the spirit that I do with the clown, I'm fine with it.

  • JEWberry
    JEWberry Member Posts: 78

    @Master said:

    Nurses has map control - spirit hasnt
    nurses can go through walls pallets and windows - spirit cant
    Nurse has no cooldown on jump, spirit has

    Spirit has no tools to negate looping, she gets rekt by every single window and has to rely on bad survivors making mistakes. The reason why nurse is so strong is because you dont need to rely on survivors mistake to do well, no, you own skill determines your chance to get them.

    Spirit is nowhere close to nurse and no amount of practising will change that.

    Sure, I guess an experienced killer puting in tons of hours into her will be a wrecking ball against average survivors, but when it comes to a coordinated SWF, RIP

    Where in that statement did i say spirit was better than nurse? Just because the spirit can't go through walls doesn't mean she can't stop loops with pure mind games, it's almost like you think of her sprint as a one line track like the nurses blink. Stop saying she has NO tools to stop looping, because her ability is a huge loop stopper. Every single high rank survivor i have played with said it is really hard to loop against her as well as myself. She can block areas with her physical husk preventing certain areas from being looped and she can catch survivors off-guard if they don't make a decision fast. If you are getting rekt by every single window then that is pretty sad honestly, her ability grants her the ability to cut off survivors yet you can't cut off a single window??? Once again, ik she won't be as good as the nurse as her ability does not completely bypass survivor utility like the nurse. However, what i am saying is that she has similar tools to the nurse in general which make the nurse a top-tier killer.

    You also say a coordinated SWF will shut her down ez but that is the exact same case with the nurse. Anyone can do the objective and beat nurses simply because of time management and comms to improve map awareness. The nurse has good map control but she can't go after 4 survivors at once when they are all on gens.

  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436

    @Delfador said:

    @Brady said:
    Use bloodhound on her.

    Even from gameplay, it's not hard to tell where an injured survivor is, let alone one that's leaving scratch marks.

    -She has map pressure
    -Ambush, Is it really that hard to tell if someone's on a generator? Really? Use your brain.
    -She is fun to use and go against, something they aim for.

    No survivors are complaining, because infact, most of us think she's fairly balanced. In red ranks on PTB, it's been a very varied test so far - 4Ks here, 0Ks there, 1-3Ks sometimes. Personal experience here. Most of us already adapted, and I've even been using a special build just for her.

    Everyone who's so quick to comments, doesn't actually bother with the PTB and actually playing it.

    This is my personal experience.

    When she uses her ability for map pressure, she has no weapon against loops. It takes too much time to charge it while she has %110 ms. When she uses it in chases, a lot of pallets are not being used so you always have protection against her.

    Her ambush is not that good. I need to be honest, maybe I didn't face enough good killers but I am in the red ranks too.

    She is fun to play and go against, I have no objection here.

    I think you are making a mistake when you say there are 4Ks etc. I don't think that I have ever done a generator in the PTB. Why would I sit on a generator, try to win the game in PTB? I generally follow the killer, try my new survivor perks, try to get her attention to chase me so that I can observe. It will be very different experience when she goes live because everybody will start to try to win the game as usual.

    Routine-like matches are important to evaluate. To do a "regular" match in the PTB is important because they need experience of what a genuine match would be like in the live. Yes, it's good to break boundaries and go nuts and not be serious; try everything out. But both matches are as important.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @ZombieGenesis said:

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    Except they patched both previous PTBs mid-run. I believe they patched one PTB multiple times if I recall correctly.

    As for this thread, it's just become a place for people who didn't come to the forum yesterday to come and call killers names for, you know, having opinions about stuff.

    If they don't buff anything on this killer before release make a post titled. "i was right" I will support you on the post and tell anyone who will listen that you called hours into the ptb.

  • CallMeRusty420
    CallMeRusty420 Member Posts: 615

    Yeah I don't even have to play her to know that she's trash. It's obvious as the arrival of morning the next day.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @IronWolf115 said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    @IronWolf115 said:
    I am gonna wait to see if she gets buffed at all. She has only just come out to be fair so there is room for change at least.

    Check out the PTB Feedback Forum. Janick is dismissing any and all killer concerns. She is what she is.

    I just checked them out, I see what you mean but for now I stand by what I said.

    She has only been out for a couple of hours so I want to see where this goes

    Janick is dong that because the killer is just out and the rant fest went full blown toxic. If I was a dev I wouldn't give an inch either and let the data play out with testing. If after 1-2 weeks she needs tweaking they can then address it. But talk about knee jerk reactions about something, that's just as bad as what they accused survivors of doing.

    No game company out there except Blizzard which seems to release stuff that's broken or works so they break it is going to buff on 1st day. If you look at Riot they put it on their test realms and if it's extremely busted one way or another they'll add a small change on ptr.

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    @fcc2014 said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:

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    Except they patched both previous PTBs mid-run. I believe they patched one PTB multiple times if I recall correctly.

    As for this thread, it's just become a place for people who didn't come to the forum yesterday to come and call killers names for, you know, having opinions about stuff.

    If they don't buff anything on this killer before release make a post titled. "i was right" I will support you on the post and tell anyone who will listen that you called hours into the ptb.

    Horvath already stated, that they don't plan to buff her, so...

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  • Giche
    Giche Member Posts: 753
    edited August 2018

    @Delfador said:

    This is my personal experience.

    When she uses her ability for map pressure, she has no weapon against loops. It takes too much time to charge it while she has %110 ms. When she uses it in chases, a lot of pallets are not being used so you always have protection against her.

    Her ambush is not that good. I need to be honest, maybe I didn't face enough good killers but I am in the red ranks too.

    She is fun to play and go against, I have no objection here.

    I think you are making a mistake when you say there are 4Ks etc. I don't think that I have ever done a generator in the PTB. Why would I sit on a generator, try to win the game in PTB? I generally follow the killer, try my new survivor perks, try to get her attention to chase me so that I can observe. It will be very different experience when she goes live because everybody will start to try to win the game as usual.

    ^^^^^^ This

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  • Giche
    Giche Member Posts: 753

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    This isn't a "poor me" post but I will say that if she hits the live server exactly as she is now without something being tweaked I think that'll be a sign for me to uninstall the game. I know several others who feel the same way. I think the devs have shown their hands once too many times, survivors are all they care about and all they'll listen to.

    It's a shame because this game has been a huge part of my life for 2 years now but I'm tired of these new killers that show up and are immediately forgotten. What was the last killer that came out and that people actually play with any consistency? The Huntress from over a year ago? Since then we've gotten Leatherface, Freddy, Amanda, and The Clown? How many of those see any regular use(aside from all the perkless rank 1 Freddy players that no one seems to ever see in actual play)?

    Anyway, I get it. I'm a whiner and a crybaby and I won't be missed if I leave. I got it.

    Dude, this post actually made me sad.

    Coming from someone who lost hopes a long time ago about this game.

    You and other veterans were really commited to save this game, even with all the shits throwed at you by survivor mains and the devs, and i admire it.

    But i'll say one thing :

    If you all managed your addiction to this game better, you would ALL have moved from the game (even for a hiatus) for each bullshits patchs we got.

    With that, killer's strike would happened naturaly, without even the need to "organize" it.

    There was peoples still playing killer religiously from January 2018 to April 2018... WITH THE SOUNDS MUFFLED !

    4 F****ng MONTHS of adapting to this bullshit bug who should have been worked on and fixed at least the FIRST WEEK of his release.

    Tell me now why the devs would have fixed anything if no one really complained, and worse , still played in the WORSE conditions ?

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  • Giche
    Giche Member Posts: 753

    @ZombieGenesis

    I get you.

    Personally, i'm here since release (June 2016) and "only" played 1000 hours since then.
    Without really quitting the game, because i stayed informed about it, for the exact reason you described : Love the concept, lack of competition for the game.

    But for each toxic periods, like infinites in nearly all map, then 4X instant DS squad, then 70+ pallet on most maps, then... i stopped playing for months.

    My DBD's life was basically playing hardcore some months, bullshits patch, 5 months hiatus, ...

    I know that if more peoples had done the same thing more often, we would have got more "Doctor patch" and "Clown patch" due to the lack of killer hosting lobbies.

    I could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure about it.

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    The problems with her are still relevant. We, after the PTB's patch, can add to it really loud chanelling sound, which were added recently.