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Nurse tier
So I have seen a lot of tier lists for killers on this and all I can say is wow. First people place bubba as A tier and crap and dont put nurse at top. Anyways my point isn't to talk about how peoples tier list don't even make sense, its to ask you guys why people think nurse is bad? People think billy or spirit is better than nurse and frankly I still believe nurse is the best killer. In a game like this tier lists have to be objective, just because nurse is weak without experience doesn't mean she is bad and imo nurse trumps spirit. Her power has a heftier cool down and yeah it has lots of mindgame potential but it can also be misnamed. While a good nurse can see and track better and fully counter loops. Anyways whats your guys opinion on nurse and her tier and give explanation.
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Nurse is a tough one. On paper her power is far and away the best, a tier all to itself. In practice however, there is just a small percentage of players who can play her to her full potential with the plethora of bugs. I fully understand why folks put her lower on the list. It’s very unfair to compare the 99% of players to the 1% who play this game as a career. If nurse can’t effectively be played by the vast majority of killers, then she deserves to be lower on tier lists. Just my honest opinion.
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If she was bug free, she might deserve the S spot even with garbage rework and addons she now has.
If she was bug free AND rework free she would be S tier along with Spirit/Freddy.
But she's neither bug free nor rework free so she is definitely A tier. Her power is still incredibly strong but it's plagued by bugs and a timer without addons so she's fallen from her spot she held for years. Even if you're good you can still get ######### over randomly by bugs or deadzones so your consistency is largely out of your control after you've learned the basics.
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She can teleport through windows and pallets, the two things survivors use to make distance from the killer. Anyone who says she’s bad is just wrong, she has weaknesses and bugs and she’s difficult to master but she has the greatest potential of any killer in the game.
The fact that there are people who think a teleporting killer in a game about chases isn’t good really makes me scratch my head sometimes.
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This game has many tiles that are full of walls and LOS breaks. Just because pallets and windows aren't good against her doesn't mean 1.) they can't be used against her, they can but it's much harder and 2.) her equivalent of windows and pallets is LOS breaks and stealth.
People act like pallets and windows are the only thing survivors have in the game and conveniently ignore everything else when discussing Nurse.
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I consider the nurse to be easily D tier simply because she is nearly impossible for anyone to use and if we are taking the AVERAGE of each killer into consideration she is by far the worst average performing killer in the entire game.
There is no real point in talking about max power "Ifs" with her when being Olympic gold medalists is more common then finding a nurse who can fully use her.
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People think Nurse is not as good as other strong killers because she is very difficult to master and if you suck you are not gonna get anything done at all, in the other hand great nurses will decimate pretty much everything and god nurses will decimate even the sweatiest of the SWFs.
In terms of raw power Nurse is the strongest killer by a huge margin, its so higher over the rest of the killers if she were to spit on them they would think The Entity is spitting. Tiers are not based on our own personal skills but in the potential a character has.
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I like the narrative that she is so much stronger than any other killer by miles that they fear her like she is the Entity.
Her backstory and her power are so disconnected but it makes sense if it wanted her to be the top dog.
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I play nurse on console and have matches like plague with her. Think B really hard with frame rate and bugs get more than brutal killer
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I think you can make an argument for spirit over nurse since the rework nurse not. Where her best addons almost make her pre-nerf base nurse.
That said, the best nurse player > the best spirit player
Los blockers are bad for every killer mate. This isn't a nurse only issue. And a great nurse will blink in ways it speeds her chase up, either by guessing or predicting, or by teleporting to the corner and going from there.
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Everything that survivors can use in chases against the Nurse are also things they can use against other killers. Breaking line of sight, spins, unpredictable pathing, stealth, doubling back - all can be used against a Pig or a Billy or a Spirit as well.
I’m not saying there’s nothing survivors can do against her. I’m saying there is LESS they can do against Nurse than any other killer because she ignores all physical barriers, which makes her the best killer in the game.
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Can you post a video where u dominate a good red rank team while playing nurse?
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Tru3talent recently made videos on how Bubba is underrated and now people of course are saying the same because their favourite streamer said so, so now everyone puts Bubba on higher Tier without any clue how to play him probably.
I tried "his" playstyle as well and of course it works. Brute forcing pallets with Nemesis and Play with your Food. He isn't the first one who plays like this. But people are thinking he created this playstyle and now they say that Bubba is good.
He never was bad, rather falsely played.
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Dedicated servers and bugs really hold her back. There's no consistency to her power usage. I can beat 99% of teams at rank 1 without add ons, but it's still not uncommon to have a sequence like: dead blink around tires, blink, aim dress to window frame, cooldown, blink, blink, aim dress to window frame, lose chase.
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Nurse is S, in my opinion. Every top player I read tier lists from considers her S. Tier lists are based on the top level of play, and at the top level of play, nobody denies she's godly. You watch someone like Dowsey play her, who not only hits his blinks, but knows exactly how to blink to establish line of sight and prevent counterplay. You see him get a 10 second chase on a healthy player, in a god loop. I'm not going to tier Nurse based on how many people can't play her, I'll tier her based on the best, like every other killer.
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one day she will get reverted...some day...
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When the game is almost dead and about to shut down. They're really being stubborn on her :/
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Yeah that happens a lot nowadays in a lot of games, I remember when everyone said Wraith was super bad, almost as bad as old Freddy then some streamer made a build and said it was a strong killer, suddenly we had thousands of Wraiths with carbon copy builds and Wraith wasnt so bad after all. I believe a lot of players play with a certain mindset and some Killers need entirely different approaches.
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Nurse is S tier in theory alone
The S-tier god nurses that predict every mindgame and hit every blink don't exist
That said tier list are based on theory alone so it's no wonder she's always on top
On a realistic note though she's more of a low A high B tier
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Understandable but in reality tier lists are supposed to take account being played to the best of the killers extent if you know what I mean
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Understandable about bugs but deadzones thats where she shines even better unless you mean something else and even freddy and spirit can get screwed over no killer is op and freddy is not even s tier
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You obviously never played against a good nurse who I also a good killer I was WRECKED on the GAME by the best nurse ive ever played and he knew where everyone was his predictions as a killer were accurate and he was rusty and the next time when I was better at survivor I got him and the same map and barely escaped through hatch if you go up against the top tier nurse you can barely use LOS blockers because any good killer can read patterns and adapt
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Tier lists are supposed to be who is the best not performs the best if that was the case freddy would be the best killer
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Yeah spirit is almost as good as pre nerf nurse and even with the nerf nurse is just harder to use but only slightly worse
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Honestly its usually up to the person making the tier list but it can be said there are 2 lists the capabilities of a killer if someone were to just pick up and play them with minimal practice and not too many outside factors like perks and addons or to have someone who has mastered a killer with maximum going in their favor to show a killers potential. In terms of potential many killers like Nurse, Spirit, Huntress, Trapper, and Hag can rise far above more killers but in terms of simplicity to pick up and play killers like Freddy, Bubba, Also spirit because it does have a lower starting point and Wraith are great examples of how pickup and play ability can make killers good.
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Hahaha no I have never once stated I was a good nurse and just because I suck at spirit does that mean she isn't one of the best killers in the game? Just because 360 barely work against smart killers does that mean I don't know how to 360? No your remark is so stupid I dont know why you bothered if you really want proof of that look at a streamer called turjay he got wrecked by a swf because he played dumb and he is on ps4 they talked trash on his twitch and said he could get anyone to play them and so he went on Twitter for help and a nurse callrd superalf who is deemed best nurse on ps4 wrecked them all easily without perks and if you think that means nothing you have no need to comment dumb remarks
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Normally I'd agree but the nurse is such an extreme example its almost(if not outright) frivolous to mention it sense virtually no one will ever reach that potential(Sub 1% of all nurse players).
Whats the point in ranking her about a potential that can never truly be reached by even most pros?
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Yeah bubba isn't the best but he isnt easy he needs skill and a good build and that build can work or fail it depends on the survs and killer but he is very add-on and perk reliant
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Agree her lunge I believe is bugged some hits feel shorter than others or just dont land like they did the game before
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You do realize they don't go based off of something unreal that's like saying clown is A tier because he olays perfectly no this is about the people who play to the best of her capabilities and if you see the best nurses out there you can actually see her skill shine and when you actually care to notice that no tier list isn't talking about a perfect killer when we say god tier we mean that they are some of the best out there
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Its not pointless because tier lists are not for what killer many people can play that's like saying the tsar bomba wasnt the strongest bomb because we only had 2 ever made just because something is rare or hard doesn't mean they can't be called good like trapper is a good killer but most people can't use his traps right or use very obvious traps but we don't see him in F tier or really high up a tier list is based on potential and results of how the killer performs at high levels not at what frequency or how many players perform
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If we are talking about raw power its bubba or oni sense they are the only killers with AoE instant downs and thus are the only ones who can instantly down all 4 survivors.
Most tier lists have to add in how realistically they can be played at whatever tier they are placed sense in hypothetical best case scenarios rarely reflect reality.
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That's the thing. I don't see he best nurses out there. I rarely see a nurse and when i do it's a completle stompfest cause they can't play her. I'm not much of a streamer watching guy but i din't remember them playing nurse that much either
Spirit is top tier and you see her all the time. Same as Billy. You never see nurses anymore.
Note I'm not saying she's weak but even when masteres people highly overexaggerate her power. She still moves at snail pase when moving between generators and if you use your power for mobility you are stuck with nothing for a short time.
I'm sorry but the S-tier nurse seem to be a legendary mithical creature killer mains tell their children about who will one day return and vanquish the evil swf
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I'm a Nurse main and she's A-/B+ Tier.
TOO many bugs,
THIS happens way too often, a fatigue simulator, grab always fail and you'll end up fatigued.
I'm have a stress free time with Huntress, Spirit and Billy.
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if we’re going off of raw potential then yeah, nurse would definitely be the best killer in the game
but, this game is casual. A majority of the playerbase cant play Nurse to her highest potential because they dont play this game enough to learn everything about her power, thats why shes low on a lot of peoples personal tier lists
besides, tier lists are opinionated, anyway. does it really matter that some random person put Nurse in F tier?
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What if you don't use nemesis and PWYF combo? I doubt you'll say he's good without this combo, which is introduced half year ago together with Oni.
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Her post blink lunge is shorter than a normal lunge not sure exactly how much shorter but its enough to mess with muscle memory from playing other killers, just use wooden horse to try and remove some of the penalty from playing nurse infrequently
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Why wouldn't you use Perks which are good on a Killer if you have them? Good Players would usually have all Perks unlocked.
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Honestly I think she's still S-tier, but I can 100% understand why people wouldn't put her there. The plethora of bugs that plague her really make it much harder to play her. Along with more indoor maps coming out (boy I sure to love aiming straight or even up and teleporting through the floor, or sometimes not being allowed to teleport upstairs because ######### me) and she starts to feel a lot worse than she should.
Her power's base strength keeps her high tier, but the bugs just weigh her down so much and BHVR won't fix them because they will do at most the bare minimum for the Killer side of things.
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What i mean is, he is, as people claim, the worst killer without this combo.
Pig also has a good perk combo, monitor and whisper. But pig can live without it. However, that's not the case for bubba. The "brute force" strategy won't work if you don't use nemesis and PWYF.
IMO the killer is not truly viable if he needs certain things that cannot be changed. Trapper with no additional trap add-ons is also under this.
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It isn't about him being viable but rather he has the potential to be good with a certain set up. But still, why shouldn't you use these Perks if you have them if they make him good?
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I don't really like the fact " xxx killer can only be decent when using certain perks"
I don't like being fixed and tied to some perks when playing as certain killer.. I want to change up my builds so i don't get bored of single strategy every game.
Bubba in this case is tied with nemesis and PWYF. So you only left 2 slots for perk choice. That's what i don't like. It limits my character's build. But if i opened those 2 slots up, he's not viable and i can't do anything against decent survivors.
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I played nurse after a long while in order to get my adept on her and I was surprised to see that she was not all that different from the nurse I knew from before the nerf, sure, the timer ######### a lot with my muscle memory and was unbelivably annoying, but besides that she is still a pretty damn solid killer.
Her new add-ons are fun, the new omega blink is better than the old one in my opinion, the tooth is also pretty good.
Also, at least in my experience, she is not as bug ridden as many people insist, I barely encountered any dead zones. Maybe it is because I have not played on the newer maps, but still. Oh, and they fixed that bugged blinked animation.
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If that were the case freddy would be S tier
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See That's your issue you have no clue or understanding of how good she is I've seen good nurse and ive been wrecked by good nurses its something rare but she isnt over exaggerate and you can ask anyone on the forums
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See when I think of tier lists id rather have truth I mean yeah in general tier lists are opinionated but there are also indisputable facts like spirit is good but I SUCK with her and I would rank her low but for me I have to look at things logically it kind of sucks because it makes everyone argue with me
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Honestly its not that its the fact everyone HATES nurse so many people will call her bad but if they said hey what if we five her one blink only those same people would be like yeah she is too strong and also yeah game is probably her best indoor map and midwich because the floors are right above so blinking would be easier but id say game is great for nurse but only if you are a smart killer and a good nurse
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Same here my bugs are rare and its usually like not going through walls when I had the full charge or my hits that normally land dont land anymore
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Have you read your own post? There multiple people saying she's overrated. Again not bad. Overrated
A perfect Spirit will down you just as fast as a nurse and has a lower terror radius and is faster without her power
I've been wrecked by good leatherfaces too that doesn't mean anything.
I'm sorry but i'm not seeing it. Nurse is one of those killers people juat mindlessly put on top without conciddering her weaknesses
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But tier lists always assume that the pkayer is able to use the character to their fullest potential,don't they?
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People just assume shes still best but in practice it's not realistic..shes fallen from graces becayse the devs handed free gen time to survivors while also increasing her already brutal learning curve , so any survivor who knows her even a little will make you lose games unless you slug like a mad man , every blink is 5+ seconds of free gen time..start counting it out and you'll see the problem..because those 5 seconds only take into account how long shes doing nothing at all
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