A discussion about Pig or why Amanda is the worst Killer to play against and needs to be nerfed
Hi everyone on the forums, I am here to bring you an analysis on the most idiotic Killer in this game: Pig.
Pig has every tool she needs to make the Survivors' experiences miserable without any drawback whatsoever. She is so oppressive that even after all those nerfs Pig mains have whined about she still had a 70% (!!!) Kill rate in Red Ranks ( https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/106566/ ).
Pig has little to no counterplay in the hands of the Survivors, she has to make the mistakes, Survivors are merely spectators of a slaughter. Here's my suggestion on how to change every single problem she has currently.
Reverse Bear Traps (RBTs):
The Reverse Bear Trap is the most RNG-heavy disgusting thing in this game at the moment. All she needs is to down you, press M2 and that's it. You are now constantly zoned and threatened without any other input from the Killer side.
RBTs could kill you on the spot, they allow the Killer to PATROL BOXES in order to gain an unfair psychological advantage on the victim, they are completely random so you don't even know where to go but the most annoying thing is that they PUNISH Survivors for doing their objective.
Solution:
RBTs now activate when the Survivor wearing them cleanses a Totem. That way Pig is now stronger on Hex builds and Survivors can play their objective.
RBTs are always disabled by the farest boxes from the Survivors, like Freddy's clocks. That way they will not be such RNG idiocy.
RBTs timer changed to 360s. This way they will be a true delay mechanic and not a random kill thing that completely ruins the game for the Survivor.
Crouching:
Pig's crouching ability is easily the best stealth mechanic in the game currently. It's a mindgame tool, it's a dash, it's a counter to Borrowed Time, a must have perk nowadays.
Amanda has so many different options with this mechanic that there's no way for the Survivor to play around them all, negating counterplay.
First off, the biggest offender: when crouched, Pig looks like a Survivor. The lack of red stain, the size, the speed alter the way you, as a Survivor, are supposed to look at the game.
Secondly, since the Terror Radius closes on Pig and does NOT disappear instantly, she can use it to make someone think she left, the feeling is entirely different and there's no way for a Survivor to grasp what's going on with precision.
Last but not least, the dash. This is so unfair, how is she allowed to move at 6.9 m/s for 2.5s? How is a Survivor supposed to dodge that? Where is the counterplay? The only way out is to hope the Pig messes up, not reaching you because she miscalculated distances.
Side note on how the Undetectable aspect allows her to proxy camp better than any Killer bar Deathslinger, the second best Stealth Killer in the game.
Solution:
Crouching now takes 2s (up from 1.3s). This minor change will make sense with the next ones.
When crouched she is not Undetectable but she has a small 18m Terror Radius and the red stain. This give Survivors counterplay with Borrowed Time and Pig can no longer disguise as a Survivor.
During the dash she now moves at 4.8 m/s for 2s. This way there will be counterplay to it.
Add-Ons:
Most of her Add-Ons are nuts and make her even more insufferable from the other side point of view.
Combat Straps is the most oppressive one, allowing her to crouch way faster and permitting an even quicker Dash, especially combined with the next add-on I'm about to talk about.
Video Tape does a little bit too much on an already good aspect of the Killer and needs to be addressed. Change it so it does something else, something completely different.
Face Mask counters all aura reading Perks and items, a bit too much for a single add-on, no counterplay, no way to play around it, just suck it up and play without your stuff untill you remove the RBT, extremely oppressive.
Slow-Release Toxin has a similar problem but Exhaustion is so much more than Blindness, every Exhaustion add-on is broken but this one is total insanity, Exhaustion for around one minute after getting unhooked? You are supposed to recover from Exhaustion when hooked, this add-on doesn't make any sense at all.
Tampered timer is basically a free mori in disguise, obviously broken, I don't need to talk about it, Scorpionz proved it for me.
And that's it. That concludes my analysis. I hope you liked it :)
I would also like the roar to be changed to the Metro Golden Mayer one so that even new player can recognize it and know what's up ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLyllumxts ).
Comments
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Honest question, how long have you played this game?
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After Billy they should go after Amanda.
100%.
/s
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Damn bro, I need some of that crap you are smoking.
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Clown is overpowered plis nerf pig :^)
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I mean I only know one guy who mains pig and make her lookslike she's godtier but average players don't even near play her as good as he does.
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No. >:I
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You should go back to play pokemon lol
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Feel like someone just lost to Pig. He wants the helmets to remain completely pointless unless the survivor decides to activate it themselves, They get 6 minutes to disarm it after they choose to activate it and they know immediately which box has the correct key as soon as they get the helmet to begin with.
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Well first off
-Patrolling boxes makes no sence because the rbt are used to slow the game and not kill, except if getting tunneled or if she brought the worst addons combo you can always escape them, even before it activates
-the terror radius fades faster away when she crouches then when she just leaves you plus her sight of view is worsened when crouching
-the dash is countered by any window/pallet/locker and if you dont run in the wild she wont hit you cause she gotta be very close, crouch and then dash (hitting you with an m1 would be faster)
-just open your eyes and you will see that she isnt a survivor...
-a whole lot of her add ons are pure garbage and only a fiew ones are actually usefull or mean when combined together
Most of your suggestions would just break the killer and make it unfun/unusable, really
Im just guessing you didnt had enough play time yet cause you would see that pig is really really fine, not bad, not the best, a fun killer to face too
Plus you probably forgot to boop the snoot
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Lol nah.
If anything Pig could use a buff...
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Nice try but you knowing all of her stats and addon effects gives it away.
Pig mains always trying to be sneaky
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No more Pig nerfs... just no more...
The statistics you've linked are still... statistics. They do not really show how powerful the Killer is or not. If they did, we'd qucikly notice that the Cannibal is in that better half of the killers, while he was believed to be the worst at that time (and still is, before the PTB ofc). If you say that there is no conterplay to the Pig, you've probably haven't learned how to counter her yet.
Crouching, even though it seems nice and might be useful at some times... is not really used as a tool which allows them to sneak up on Survivors by many players. The big disadvantages of the crouch are poor vision and low movement speed. That's why crouching & dashing is rather used for ending loops quickly. While crouching she is... not invisible. She still can be spotted from afar. Her stealth ability is also countered by detection perks such as Spine Chill, which many people use and which is a counter not only to Pig, but also other stealth killers.
Her dash lasts for 2.5 seconds. How to counter it? Pallets, windows, getting away early, Sprint Burst, hiding... etc. While the Pig is trying to use her Dash while looping, simply leave the loop or continue if you're sure that she won't be able to catch you. Many people try to stay at a pallet while Pig is trying to mindgame them with her Dash, faking the actual direction she'll go - a common mistake made by many Survivors.
RBT is a great tool to slow the game down, but not always. RBTs are RNG, you never know if a trapped Survivor will manage to remove their trap on the first try within 20 seconds from being unhooked or if it's going to take them 2 minutes or more to do so. Both Survivors and The Pig suffer from this cause if one side is extremely lucky, the game for the second side is going to be miserable.
Pig's add-ons... they are meh, really meh. Only some of them are actually worth using. The ones you've mentioned are the better ones and the ones which players actually use (maybe excluding Face Mask). Add-ons are in the game to make the killer's power more efficient or sometimes to bring their power to a level in which they can actually kill Survivors due to a killer's high add-on reliance. Pig's base kit is not terrible and it can be boosted with add-ons, like many other killers. Trust me, other characters benefit from add-ons much more than the Pig and those boost their power tremendously. Pig's ones... don't
Pig is a weak killer, below average. Her power isn't great. I'm saying that from a Rank 1 killer perspective who's played many games as Amanda.
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I appreciate the effort you put in to create this meme post.
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Tell us who needs nerfed when you get out of rank 20 ok?
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I am lost for words.
🐷💖
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lmao
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Don't you dare mess with my piggy!
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Wow, honestly, git gud
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Lol at all the people taking this post seriously.
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WOW... just WOW
not even going to tell you how wrong you really are... I'll let everyone else do that
Have fun...
BOOP
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It's not even that. Pig's counterplay is far more obvious than most other killers, with every other killer having a better (although highly specialised) ability for stealth.
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I could agree that Jigsaw boxes and Reverse Bear Traps need some fine tuning but the rest of her kit is fine. I do believe with how Pig and her perks are designed she encourages tunneling similar to how Leatherface encouraged hardcore camping but that's about it. She could use a rework aimed at buffing her in all honesty. The only nerf I'd give her is removing her ability to see jigsaw boxes and that's about it. However I'd remove the addons that increase her RBT and look towards letting her recycle helmets that are taken off. But again that's just me. I do not agree with anything else you said however especially crouch. Do you not remember Ghostface when he initially hit the PTB? What you suggested would be worse than that.
tl;dr - Remove aura of jigsaw boxes for killer / Let Amanda see a Reverse Bear Trap on the ground after it is taken off so she can reset the timer and put it back on a survivor. Rework some of her addons.
Buff her in other ways? Definitely doesn't need heavy nerfs. Just fine tuning.
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Holy crap I legit almost had a stroke reading this. We did it pig mains, we became a target for nerfing!!!!!! Amanda Top Tier!
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Not a bad idea...
Here's mine... instead of searching for one key, survivors now search for pieces of the key
Small pieces, medium pieces, and of course whole keys
Change an addon or two to change the size and amount of pieces in each box (each box still can only be searched once per survivor)... I think this would make Amanda play differently without making her "too strong"
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Quite honestly I don't know how you remove the RNG aspect of her unless you just put Jigsaw boxes for survivor on a timer that randomly rotated and reworked some addons to change the frequency of how often the Jigsaw box rotates to where the key is available. Arguably this is still RNG but it gives survivors more of a sense of direction instead of hopelessly looking for a key.
I like your idea but I feel that adding parts to an item is not something BHVR would want to do and they'd likely opt towards just search X amount of boxes.
The only way I see you removing the RNG aspect of The Pig's kit is adding more various traps and minigames for her that were more consistent throughout the whole game. Maybe survivors have other traps they have to deal with that hinder them? Maybe they start with an RBT on? The Pig is a lot of wasted potential tbh considering the movie.
To tl;dr and clarify on the timer suggestion - A survivor will only see one aura for a jigsaw box and it has their key. After about 40 seconds the aura will turn off and another jigsaw box will light up. This will be the new box they have to go to. The Pig can use addons to speed up the frequency at which each jigsaw box unlocks per survivor. Ideally the aura will always be the farthest one but again just an idea.
I want Pig to be good but her power is too map dependent where RNG can either screw her over or the survivors. RBT's need to be less important and she should get a revamp on her entire kit in my opinion. Essentially give her a new power.
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Lol sounds legit.
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I think this may have been one of the worst forum post I have ever read in my life.
I seriously hope this is bait
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Imagine thinking that Pig needed a nerf. She needs a buff. She should move faster when crouched, her ambush attack should be silent and survivors shouldn’t be able to see jigsaw boxes until their RBT is active. She can slowdown games and get some good momentum going but that’s all reliant on you being able to down survivors fast. Her map pressure is virtually non-existent and she has nothing to help her during chases. I suggest maybe playing as her for yourself so you can see. As it’s so easy to sit in that survivor driving seat and say what is and isn’t OP, but it’s completely different when you’re the one in control of the killer.
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its really hard to tell... when I first read this it sounded like billy nerf upset.
But its so well done people accually responded like your serious. And joking or not you might have just convinced the devs to nerf her
I mean with the same logic they used to gutt billy to unusable they could use it just as you have for clown.
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Right. Now, as a Pig main, let me calmly debunk all of these points.
RBT - It is a GUESSING GAME, and the game has no actual randomness when deciding to get a key. Patrolling boxes is actually pretty detrimental to the Pig player too. Pig would also NOT be strong with Hex builds, as she has no mobility options. Making the boxes a set condition is also really detrimental to what is a STALL MECHANIC, not a primarily lethal one. Two and a half minutes (150 seconds) is more than enough time to get the RBT off, and that's even IF idiot randoms do generators when someone is downed or trapped, or are forced to complete it.
Crouching - This is a worse version of Ghostface's Night Shroud ability, and even a worse version of Wraith's Invisibility. Ghostface is an instant activation with next to no sound queue, and his crouching is instantaneous. Wraith literally goes invisible (outside of a small shimmer that any Halo veteran is familiar with) and moves faster in exchange for not being able to hit. Pig is still visible, has LESS movement and can't attack outside of using Dash. Dash is also about the same speed as Hillbilly's running when the chainsaw is active, and it isn't an instant-down. The "Undetectable" status also removes the Red Stain and Terror Radius, a status that is available to multiple killers through either abilities, or perks such as Insidious or Trail of Torment. Dash is also harder to curve than a lot of other abilities, and is easy to avoid. Especially with things like cover, and it having a less generous hitbox than the chainsaws. Sprint Burst and Spine Chill together also nearly negate this ability by acting as an early warning and giving you enough distance to outlast the dash timer, if you ignore the obnoxious ROAR that plays when she's charging the attack. Your solutions also go against the very nature of her being a STEALTH killer, and go against why people use Combat Straps so readily.
Add-Ons - I literally posted yesterday about how half her add-ons actively harm the user. Anyone who's played this game for more than a week can hit a skill check 99.99% of the time. Veteran players can also easily hit Great skill checks, so taking add-ons related to this basically give survivors a way to get the RBT removed quicker than usual. Combat Straps and JMF/Video Tape are widely used to ease the timers that are probably a little too long for the dash, and the RBT Status add-ons are just ignored as they are rather ineffectual. Blindness rarely helps as Aura Reading perks are very rare, and if you have Object of Obsession, then you are already getting what's coming to you. Exhausted won't do anything outside of targeting trapped survivors, the least optimal strategy for using them, or in very niche situation such as the last box on Mother's Dwelling, in which case there are a lot of factors going against you. Tampered Timer does also rely on larger maps and people completing generators to activate traps. It is hardly a free mori, and any Pig player can tell you how rare a kill from the RBT is outside of those who don't know how to use the mechanic.
Your analysis seems very flawed, and to anyone who's played the game for a decent length of time, it shows. So, my questions to you are the following and something that all of us would probably like to know about this entire post about why you want further nerfs to the single most nerfed killer in the game:
- Are you trolling us?
- What platform are you on?
- How long have you been playing this game?
- Have you ever played Pig?
- Why do you take the word of one content creator from one video in which they obviously cherry-pick from hours of recordings for content?
- Did you post this in frustration after losing to the Pig for the first time?
I know that you're probably going to ignore this and call me bias for both being a Pig main, and advertising it in my name, but seriously. I need to know your logic behind this because there is just no fathoming what you're asking for or suggesting.
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Are you also going to propose similar changes for Wraith? Considering he can also render BT useless? I’ve even seen him down somebody before. So he’s definitely in need of a nerf. A killer shouldn’t be able to down a survivor. How is that fun for the poor survivor? It just ruins the game.
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Even before she was nerfed into the ground she was low tier... She is arguably the second weakest killer, just above clown. Her issue is she has NOTHING going for her. She has nothing to end a chase. You can dash if they try to hold you at a loop but thats about it, as long as they keep cycling tiles shes far too slow to catch up. The bear traps themselves can be countered by 99ing gens. You do a bit of progress on multiple, and you try to coordinate your pops so more than one is always going off at the same time, minimizing the opportunities for activation. She can't patrol gens and boxes, if she wants to be an idiot and camp boxes just do gens, easy solution. No one out of white or Yellow ranks are feeling "psychological fear". You sound like someone who just picked up the game, which is fine, but learn the game before you start complaining about the lowest tier killers online
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2/20 for the effort <3
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The sad part is, that she will sooner or later be nerfed. A reason doesn't matter - just that some people have long enough complain about her is enough, I guess :|.
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If you think Pig is too strong then you seriously need to practice your surviving skills. Sounds like low rank games were you met lots of "tunneling" Pigs.
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I appreciate the effort you put into replying at the very least.
But I'm pretty sure this is just a revised list from the billy changes but with pig instead
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May I ask what he does differently than other players?
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I gave me a good laugh, especially with the last bit, thanks.
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When you have so much time in your hands, you write a whole giant thread as bait. Bravo
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I know, but it's still infuriating. It's also the reply that I'd wish more people show each other, rather than the usual myriad of "lol just git gud" and all of those usual ones.
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especially when it comes to Pig...
Seems to me that she's being overlooked (just saying)
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Will you also ask for nerfs to worse killers than Amanda? Let's nerf Clown and Doc bois.
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I have no clue on how you can't get a simple joke, you transformed my joke post into a bait post without my knowledge.
I don't get how you can take seriously a post that suggests the Metro Golden Mayers thing, the RBTs activating on Totems, complaining about the mask add-on for the love of God.
I am kind of a Pig main and I was just making a joke, a JOKE. I wanted to make you laugh, not angry. I had the most stupid suggestions that I could think of to make it funny but not blatantly trolly. Because that would kill the comedy in it in my opinion, just like a "/S" at the end.
I wrote it this moring in 15 minutes, victim of my own anxiety due to a medical appointment I had later. I needed some kind of distraction and I had the ideas for this kind of joke-post.
I'm sorry if I made you felt insulted or disrespected, it was meant to be a simple obvious joke, taking the piss on all the complaints there have been recently and on all the misuses of words like "to react" or "counterplay" I've read. Not a bait attempt.
It's not a Billy post, I couldn't care less about Billy, but you made me realize I should've added something like a cooldown on the Ambush Attack, something like "her throat gets too dry after an ambush so she needs to grab a water bottle in a locker" just to make it more obvious.
I'm especially sorry for the Scorpionz part because I think it was a bad decision to use his name in my joke. I don't know.
Have a nice day and, again, I'm sorry.
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This is bait
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This is bait.
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Im sorry but have you gone against many pigs bc their very easy to counter play the dash doesn't do crap if you mond game and the rng of rbt is very survivor based about a 2 and a half minute timer 5 boxes amd you search them fast. Also she doesnt look like a survivor whole crouching bc who in their right mind goes hey when did they give survivors a pig head like what. And since shes easy to spot to taking away her stealth when crouching is like saying wraith is to hard to spot he needs a terror radius while cloaked so I disagree with all of this and I play pig a lot and play against pigs a lot so
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You were trying to write a satirical post, but you made it too believable, despite the metro-goldwyn-meyer lion roar and all.
People write some sus af suggestions for this game on these forums lol.
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Lmfao, in another thread calling for PH nerfs I was being facetious and used Pig as an example of who survivors would want nerfed next. The trend is becoming too predictable.
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Well it started a "real" discussion on the topic of what we all thought of Amanda (Pig).... So Good Job 😄
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