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A new players POV about the game etc.(Warning - LONNGGGGG)
Hi Everyone.
So I'm still new. I've been playing for about a month - 6 weeks, now. Full disclosure - I'm not very good yet at the game but I try all the time to improve, be a good teammate, and have fun.
This is a long post covering a wide range of topics so I understand if you don't read it all. I've highlighted/bolded each heading for those who want to skip to something that interests them. The only goal is to give people a perspective from someone fresh. I've covered a wide variety of common complaints I've read etc.
Okay so now that that's out of the way...
The first week I played was so much fun. I laughed so hard at the stupid mistakes I made, other teammates and killers. Moments like running from a killer and jumping out a second story window and getting smack at just the right time that I land face first on the ground below. Those kinds of things.
By the second of playing, I was subjected to verbal abuse that was just stunning and shocking. I'm talking I was called the c-word, b-word, you name the word - been called it in chat and it was nothing I had done wrong. I've never in any game seen some much hate, abusive, volatility and childishness ever. It was madness. At first I'd try to explain myself or what not and then I remembered about not feeding internet trolls. That's right - don't feed the trolls.
That second week I saw more and more bad teammates. I don't mean bad players as I certainly fall into that category, I'm referring to poor sportsmanship. THis brings me to the first heading.
Toxic Survivors / Teammates:
This just needs to stop. Like full-on stop. Seriously - I'm begging here. While it's against the rules (what I have an issue with below) and I do respect the right to play how you want, please consider that in a public game there are other people to consider. If you want to play in a way that ruins the games for others please do so in a private match with 5 of your friends and not with the rest of us.
Everyone has their idea of "toxic "but these ones are simply Toxic and there is no excuse for it. Trolls and griefers are what I am referencing. It's also, lest we forget, against the rules. Stop before you get banned.
1. Teammates who out you to a killer and help the killer. That's not okay.
2. Teammates who deliberately get you stuck so you can't move and it's obvious it's on purpose.
3. People who are total jerks in chat with other users. They need to go take a chill pill and relax. I'm not talking annoying ones, I'm talking the swearing, name-calling, brutal ones that. They are vile and need to go away.
While tunneling, face-camping, letting teammates die etc is not against the rules. I have to tell you it does make the game a lot less fun. If you want to play that way - I can't say anything as it's your choice to play that way. I don't consider it toxic though.
How do I handle the ones that break sportsmanship rules? I now just report. It probably does't do a thing but I will still do in the hopes that one day that person is actually banned from playing for breaking the rules and making others not enjoy the game. I don't even bother engaging them in the discussion. A troll is a troll and I don't feed them.
For those killers who think it's more a 4 man - yeah - my experience has been that they more often come in pairs. If I see that they are really toxic in-game I'm really happy to let them die on the hook. Especially those who are so busy with their buddy and only concerned about themselves. I stick with the good teammate and make sure I do everything I can to help them have a good game.
Suiciding on hooks:
Yes, I have been there done that - with very good cause - usually.
- If one of my teammates was absolutely going to die if they came for me. I was near death, the second time on the hook. I will space barred as much as I can and if I realized the only thing that was going to happen was the killer was going to get a 2 for 1 as there was no way my teammate was going to reach me and would only end up in harm's way - so I let go.
- It does happen by accident - I begin space barring my heart out and then - just dead. No idea why as I was space barring. So while "technically" not a hook suicide I will promise you that's what my teammates thought and that sucks.
- If I am being tunneled because I have obsession and nothing on to cause it, or, I am with a toxic bunch. Honestly I can't be bothered dealing with these types. I won't instant suicide, but, I will try to get myself off the hook and we know how that's going to end. IF I see a teammate that is not toxic making a play for me and the "temperature" f the game isn't horrific, I'll stick around for them and if I'm there at the end - I'll happily die on a hook for a good teammate.
I don't like to do that, truthfully, and I don't care if I'm losing, I'm not going to suicide for losing, but if I'm with a two man toxic team / people that are playing in a way where they are breaking the rules and it's not just a "play style" I'm not staying in that match and absolutely no one should ask someone too. It's depressing and miserable and I say "No thank you" and "goodbye" to that nonsense.
Why not suicide on purpose:
I'll repeat what I've said below about purposefully disconnecting:
- If it's a nice team I refuse to muck them over like that.
- If they are jerks... I find many killers are softer on teams if someone disconnects/suicide hooks. Not all, but many are. If I have a jerk team - no way am I disconnecting or suicide hooking as I absolutely want that killer to wipe the floor with them and I will enjoy watching it. Sure I die too, but there is a real satisfaction in watching mean teammates die."
Disconnecting on Purpose (sometimes not on purpose):
Disconnecting happens to me too and I can tell you with 100% certainty that I have never, nor will I ever do that on purpose. It happens to me 1 -2 times a week sometimes and I'm in the process of troubleshooting as to why so that it stops happening. It's annoying and doesn't happen in any other game. I am determined to sort out why as it stinks that when it does happen I can't tell my teammates. (More of a crash than a disconnect.)
Maybe a week back I crashed about 3 times that week. I also crashed on re-loading the game. Again - my teammates probably thought I dc'd on purpose but I have no way of letting them know what happened.
When someone DC's please don't assume it's on purpose. I've DC'd on hooks, mid chase, on a killer's shoulder, lying on the ground waiting as a teammate is running over to get me up, and a couple of times in great games doing exceptionally well for a change lol.
Why I don't do it purposely is the same reason as above about why not to purposely suicide hook:
- If it's a nice team I refuse to muck them over like that.
- If they are jerks... I find many killers are softer on teams if someone disconnects/suicide hooks. Not all, but many are. If I have a jerk team - no way am I disconnecting or suicide hooking as I absolutely want that killer to wipe the floor with them and I will enjoy watching it. Sure I die too, but there is a real satisfaction in watching mean teammates die.
Urban Evasion:
In the words of Sarah "You will pry Urban Evasion from my cold dead hands." ... and often the killer does lol.
Right now though I need it. This goes back to don't tell/order someone else HOW to play the game. (Unless they are being toxic - then please smack them hard for the rest of us poor souls that are trying really hard to get better.) Focus on how you are playing and maybe even consider helping someone else be better too. Win-win.
I need to improve my game. I get this. I'm not that good at it yet. This means I need to practice. In order to be able to practice I need to be alive for more than 2 minutes per game. I'm not good at chases, lopping or looking behind me. Very slowly I am improving. It is a slow process.
That being said I finally understand why everyone hates Urban Evasion...
The first week I played - yup - I was "that" player. I hid in the corner or walked fast around the map, but before you rip my head off, please give me a moment to explain HOW that happened....
There is no "play area" that I can learn to "look behind me", "loop" etc. I stress once more: I have to learn in a live game and no one can get any better if they're dead in 2.2 seconds. That's just a fact.
When I first started I was getting my bearings. I couldn't see the generators very well, I could rarely find a teammate, I had no concept of what the killers POV were and how and when they could see me and on and on. Even sorting out what buttons to press and when to press was a challenge. My point is that it takes some time to get the feel for things. So atm, yes, as Sarah says "You will pry Urban Evasion from my cold dead hands".
By the second week, I was doing gens, slowly saving other teammates, pressing buttons properly so I wasn't dying on the hook. Still getting a feel for it and doing much better. - do I still suck - yes I do - but I try really hard and slowly I am improving. Urban has helped me stay alive long enough to help my teammates much, much more.
Eventually I won't need it anymore and I often try new things to test my improvement but for now I do better for my teammates with it than I do without it. It's no longer a crutch though.
BTW IMHO: If you see someone doing something in game you feel needs improving, talk to them in chat - don't lecture, don't swear at them, don't be a jerk. Try saying "Hey I saw this... have you tried... have you seen this video... check out this..." in other words it would be really appreciated by many if you tried to be helpful. Yelling, name calling and swearing at someone isn't going to help them. Helping them - is going to help them and if you really want a selfish reason - getting that player better helps you too. Believe me - it does work. That's my humble opinion though.
Killers when you think you are in a 4 man pre-made please keep this in mind:
I don't see four-man pre-made as much as I see a two. If you think it sucks to be the killer, in this case, I assure you it sucks to be their teammate as well. They don't care about half their team. No fun at all to play with by all means if you get a sense of that - kill'm fast and hard!
The killer that I love and consider the ultimate player.
I had a game last week with what I consider the ultimate player. This was an obviously skilled player that was in the role of the killer. The user picked up pretty quickly that I wasn't very skilled. At any point they could have taken me out within seconds - instead, they made a point of chasing me for a good while, not once, but twice.
Why do I consider them the ultimate kind of player?
He could have killed me within a minute.
He could have taken me out of my team very quickly.
Instead, they made a conscious choice to chase me. Slow when I was slow and made a point to allow me to try loops and looking behind. It was the best game I've ever had. Not best points, not best win - best game.
While they ultimately killed me, we had a chat after the game for a few minutes and I expressed my appreciation to them. Indeed my assumption was correct, they were deliberately allowing me to run and practice. What they did allow me to get some actual practice lopping and dogging (albeit I was still really, really bad) they made it fun and helped me get some real SOLID practice. I'm grateful for them.
I'd play with someone like that even if they killed me every single game.
I forgot their name, I wish I could remember it. More people need to take a page out of this person's book on how they played. I'd love to play more with people who wanted to actually "play" and have fun.
Checking the temperature of the games:
This game does have a temperature and it can be read. Doing a temp check is a must for my sanity. It's like walking into a room and gauging the temperature. It isn't always accurate, but it is more often than not.
If I'm in a lobby and someone starts chatting demands and all sorts of other things. Eg: Bring this, wear that. I will wait and may leave that lobby depending on responses and tones. If it's too late to leave - I know this game could go poorly and welp - I deal.
If I see a known griefer/troll. At least I know what I'm up against, and it's not just the killer. I then focus on trying to help the other teammate have a good game.
You can spot a two man team, or trolls in a game fairly quickly. I act accordingly.
If I've had several games in a row that were simply not fun - like killers who just down everyone in a minute, repeated face camping, tunneling - and before you think it's all the killers, it's not. The worst offenders are teammates and in my opinion they are worse than any facecamper could be. Teammates that are griefing and out for themselves. When these things happen, I call it and log out for an hour or so. Several games in a row like that - tells you the temperature and there's no point in continuing.
When I go back in there is often a better group of people on that are more fun to play with.
No sense in wasting the little downtime I have with groups that I don't have synergy with - teammates or killers. I won't go in chat and tell them how to play the game. They can play however they like. It's my choice if I play - or walk away for a bit and wait for a group to enjoy playing with.
This is my suggestion to other players who are experiencing the same thing.
...And I think I'm done.... finally
If you have read this entire post. I'm completely and totally impressed and I'm very sorry about your eyes.
Feel free to add anything you think will help us new players be better players with you! All ears!
Edit to add: It would be really nice to see not just the your teammates names at the start of the match, but the killers as well. This will help us to avoid known killers that play unfairly with teammates that help them etc. Just a thought.
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Welcome to DBD, it can be a very fun and addicting experience. Though the experience can leave a lot to be desired at times.
Just wanted to point out while you can't learn to loop in the survivor tutorial, you can practice running while looking behind you and getting comfortable with 360's also if you haven't done the tutorials yet you do get bloodpoints for completing them.
Good luck out in the fog!
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THANK YOU! Seriously. Thank you.
Yeah, it is a love hate relationship for sure.
I must be blind as a bat then I have not seen it - or done it. When I'm back on tonight I will absolutely look for that tutorial and run my heart out. I really want to be able to do that. Not being good at it I think fails my team but also makes it less fun for killers too.
Maybe I was too excited to start to play that I missed it completely lol. Possible.
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Welcome to this game, and welcome to the forums! This game is...like none other, and I mean that in both a good way and a bad way. It's addictive enough in its formula that I keep coming back to it and legitimately do have fun in it, but it's got enough frustrating features in it that it's one of the few games that I take legitimate frustration breaks from this game, and I can't say that about any other game I've ever played.
That being said, I hope you enjoy your time in game, and best of luck with the massive grind ahead of you to get your loadouts squared away!
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Welcome! Its always nice to see a new face around here, unfortunately toxicity is a big issue here, hopefully the devs will find a way to fix it. Good luck with the grind, hope you get to red ranks soon!
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What platform do you play on? If you need practice looping I’m sure a lot of people would be happy to go into KYF with you and run some.
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Thank you. It's a very nice warm welcome!
I couldn't agree more. Good thing I'm not a gambler. "One more game. I 'll do better this next game!" 10 games later. Why did I torment myself lol.
It can be good fun too, but I agree - frustration breaks seem to happen a lot.
LOL thank you. I'm hoping to try all the perks and see how they all fit together. ermm that could take awhile.
Thank you very much!
I sadly have notice a bit ermm.. okay a lot of toxicity.
I think we collectively can help with it though. Ignoring trolls helps. Trying to better to each other in game.
Peer pressure can be a very positive tool when used well. Collectively, I think we can either drive the real baddie out or show them there is a better way that will make them happier too. I like the latter one myself - but I know that won't work for everyone. Some people are happier being miserable and they love making others the same. Quite sad really.
:-D Right now I rang from - I did get as low at a 7 and stayed 8 for a bit - that was exciting! but usually between 9 - 12. As long as we are all having fun. :-)
Hi! *waves* I play on PC. I have to say I love that "Kill your friends" term. It makes me chuckle. I'm on EST as well.
I need practice pretty much on everything - I'm bad. This is not me being modest. Truly it's rather a funny kind of sad. I don't mind as I can laugh at myself. I get more upset when I let down a team, or I can see the killer had a really rough game.
The one true thing a troll said to me in chat, or close to true was "You are the worst gamer ever." My response. "Probably true." but I have heart!
Maybe we can all start a group. "Adopt a Noob" or something like that. Not the worst idea ever?
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I try my hardest to help out newer survivors as killer. If theres some poor sap who just installed and has no clue whats going on, Ill either destroy their team, and then allow the newer player to try and loop me.
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Ill message the other survivors in the game, and try to get them to help me with a new guy, and then its a team effort. It does take a village to raise a Baby Dweet.
To all survivor players who try to help out newer killers. You are Gods gift to this game. Truly. You are. I would not have continued to play this game if yall hadnt taught me the best loops and how to run them
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Well, I almost purely main killer. So, I probably wouldn’t be suuuuper helpful outside of basic looping strats. The more intricate parts of survivor I wouldn’t be super knowledgeable on outside of the perspective of it from the killer side. I honestly probably potato just as much as you on survivor. I’d be happy to run some loops with you though.
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Did that killer have PWYF nad were you the obsession? :)
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Thank you. You may not hear it from the people but I can guarantee that they appreciate that more than you know and more than they say. It not only helps them in game but I'm willing to bet in many cases you've helped to turn and bad day and a bad game experience into something that made them smile and feel good!
I tell you a funny story, well, I think it's funny.
I had a similar experience with a killer when I first started. This killer killed our teammates and there was me and this other fresh greenie running around being chased relentlessly by him. All the while I'm thinking n my head. "Why am I not dead yet? I should be dead. He ate my teammates like easy and they were way better than me. Why aren't I dead yet?" BTW if memory serves - zero gens had been completed, or maybe one. We were blowing up gens all over the place. It was so sad in a funny way.
So there is myself and my last teammate running around trying to do gens, running from the killer and getting smacked down. The killer then kept carrying us to the gens, kicking the gens and dropping us. Rinse and repeat. Instead of us having a clue - he'd drop and we'd book it the helk away. This went on for about 10 minutes.
Finally he killed us and in the end game chat he says.
"I've never in my life tried so hard to keep two people alive!"
of course we are not perplexed and I'm like... "but you were chasing us and going to kill us! You chase, we run - this is how it works." and then he says. "Listen, when a killer kicks the gen and drops you at it does he is telling you to finish the gens." DOH!!!!!
Oh yes did we feel silly. At least I did. LOL
It was so nice of him and I felt so bad that he was trying to help teach us and we totally failed to get it.
I'm very sure we frustrated the life out of him, but I can't say I didn't laugh so hard that tears were running down my face when I realized how daft the two of us were.
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I meant that in a general sense:-)
Super sweet of you but please do not feel obligated if it's not up your alley. It's all good. It gave me an idea to think about seeing if some sort of grouping / learning might be helpful. I have to think on that more. Maybe people would be receptive to it - maybe not. I have to think more on the idea as I think it might not be a bad one.
If you ever want to test a new killer out on someone - absolutely message me. I'd be happy to be hung up on a hook for your experiments!
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I had to go look it up as I don't know all the perks yet.
My reaction to this:
"OMG SERIOUSLY! The killer has one of these too! Just no. no. no."
and I'm laughing right now.
The developers are sadists LOL.
Thank you for teaching me about that one - it all makes a bit more sense now.
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Thank you.
The sad thing is that you are probably correct. (I don't hide in bushes anymore much though and I'm very, very proud of that! I mostly use it to get out of sight quickly when the killer is coming. Believe me that is progress.
I really do hate to admit that method may be the best thing. I will gain the courage - suck it up and do it. It maybe a few weeks of in the tutorial first though - I really have to get that looking around down better first IMHO.
I spend a bit of time in the tutorial. I can look behind me when pressing A or D but it's sideways and I run into a lot of trees LOL but the S is a constant and epic fail atm. Nothing happens. So i'm doing something incorrect for sure.
I think it's about muscle memory for that maybe. I see it in youtube videos often and am in absolutely awe of it.
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It’s all good I’d be happy to help. Someone has to be the K in the KYF. I’m sure a lot of people would be down with the idea. You could start a discord or something and have experienced people who want to help newer people learn join it. The game has a steep learning curve and some people need the help/practice without 20 minute queue times.
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