I don't care when people use it (I am going after the other person anyway as I don't like to tunnel). It's when the BT person then slows down and actively gets in your way with body blocking that I get irked by it. But even then, I just now end up tunneling them because if you're diving in front of your rescuer like that, I know you're going to have BT and you're going to be super bummed to know that I'm just going to be on your ass waiting 20 seconds to knock you right back down for trying to pull that kind of stunt...
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Why Do People Dislike Borrowed Time?
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I understand the hate for the old version, but not really for the new version. I'm a 50/50 player, and I really don't have all that big a problem with it, certainly not as much as DS. I was playing survivor today, and ran it. The killer we were playing got a 2k (They killed the 1st at 1 gen, 2nd when exit gates were powered), after the match they got really mad about me running it, even though I only got to use it once. So is it just them? or do others feel the same?
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Cause they want to hard tunnel
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Unhooking is the weakest moment for survivors and they want to abuse it. It works a lot. Borrowed time is one of the few perks that makes it a little more bearable with that kind of killer.
Like I am totally capable of doing that same maneuver. I just never thought to complain about it and politic to get it removed. There’s something really gross to me about that last sentence.
There were versions of some of these perks, as you alluded to, that were unfairly designed. DS, MoM, BT. These latest versions just aren’t.
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I don't care when people use it (I am going after the other person anyway as I don't like to tunnel). It's when the BT person then slows down and actively gets in your way with body blocking that I get irked by it. But even then, I just now end up tunneling them because if you're diving in front of your rescuer like that, I know you're going to have BT and you're going to be super bummed to know that I'm just going to be on your ass waiting 20 seconds to knock you right back down for trying to pull that kind of stunt...
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It's probably the "meta" perk that annoys me the least because I know it's necessary for the game. DS with Unbreakable needs to stop being an immunity bubble, but BT doesn't combo with anything like that. BT just gives you a chance at getting out against a camping endgame killer.
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I agree. Just because your under the affects of BT does not mean you should go towards the killer. It's a perk meant to help you with an unsafe save. That doesn't mean you make unsafe saves on purpose because you have it. It's meant for a good purpose but people miss use it. I feel the same about those people who get in the killers face then jump in a locker right before getting downed because they have DS.
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I don’t get the appeal of it. It’s a meh perk and only really shines if someone wants to tunnel.
I’d assume some killers dislike it because it rewards going for an unsafe save and they feel like they should be able to punish it.
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It's not even that. It rewards farming.
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Because people use it aggressively when its supposed to be used defensively, and that evidently pisses some killers off.
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I just don’t think it should work for body blocking. Other than that it’s a great perk.
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I'd be okay with that. If the hit you take is a protection hit, it doesn't work. That's actually pretty fair.
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It is doing it's job, DONT tunnel the unhooked survivor, go for the unhooked. And if they unhook in your face it is basically a hook trade, so why do you complain?
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You would have to make sure it was ‘x’ meters away from hook though.
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You know, if you get tunneled that often, it's probably something you're doing. If it's anything like how you behave here, I don't blame killers for tunneling you.
In all honestly - most times when a killer goes after a survivor that was just unhooked, it's because they were unhooked in the killers face, and they usually, 90% of the time, just slug them, in order to cuck the unhooker of their altruism as a punishment for farming. Not sure what your backwards definition of tunneling is, but this isn't tunneling.
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The only problem I have with that is when the person who makes the save is someone I already hooked recently, they got saved as I downed this other person and they still have DS. I'm screwed no matter who I choose to go after. One has DS. The other has BT and can also have DS. I can slug but they could have unbreakable. There is no right choice.
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i dislike it for the fact that it just encourages hookfarming.
i guarantee you, if BT didnt exist 75% of the unhooks in the killers face wouldnt happen.
they should change it so the unhooker gets the unsafe unhook penalities when the unhooked survivor gets hit, not when they go down withing 10 seconds of being unhooked.
just so its no longer a guaranteed safe unhook for the hoor farmers.
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It's the way that survivors play when they have the Borrowed Time effect, which is eerily similar to when they have Decisive Strike.
They know they are invulnerable and shove it in your face.
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Because often you have the idiot survivors that once they get off hook pester you for 15 seconds just to take a free hit and waste some time even when you clearly aren't going for them anymore and are trying to let them get away and heal.
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Another good point.
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Because it doesn't let camping killers have their way.
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I've seen BT be used when not against camping killers more times than not. It's usually used to dive bomb and insta save off hooks as soon as the killer begins to walk away. If you really want it to be anti-camp, perhaps making it so BT doesn't become usable until 10 seconds after hooking would be a good solution.
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Same but then it end up in a dc for the unhooked person.
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Behave or not, the perk it's doing it's job which is to prevent tunneling, so what about you accept it?
Well, why instead of going back to the hook, they dont pressure gens? (and they wonder why gens pop like crazy) the perk it's doing it's J O B, dont go back to the hook or just chase the unhooker.
Uhh I have never seen that happen, can you include a vid proof from it?
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Killers don't like it due to it preventing an easy kill for them. I do play both side and ran against it and ran it myself. The only thing that irk me is when they dive bomb before i can leave the hook.
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Try that against tombstone and it a pretty much hilarious.
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I'd say it's a good percentage, but I wouldn't generalize. I don't personally have a problem with the perk as I don't tunnel off hook even though I main the killer that counters BT the hardest. Tunneling and camping is a sure fire way to lose a lot of games, but I can see how it would be annoying to some killers if they aren't allowed to properly punish an unsafe hook and the the person with BT does their most to body block the unhooker. Just like DS being used in scummy ways sometimes.
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It's not about "going back to the hook". They were never given the chance to LEAVE the hook. The person was unhooked in the killers face. That's what I'm talking about.
But since you think that's "tunneling", there's no rational conversation to be had with the likes of you.
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Simple: It stacks far too well with other 2nd chance perks and is abused to the point of being a trolling perk along with making people learn bad habits.
Sound familiar?
Also I doubt anyone anyone dislikes the perk for what its intended...Which is something that will always be applicable to survivor's 2nd chance perks its just most are poorly thought through.
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Then why are you complaining? if they unhook in the killer face that's basically a free grab or a hook trade, that BENEFITS the killer.
Dont tunnel, and git gud.
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Because it rewards bad hook saves.
I don't mind it, I do think the timer is a bit too long, but whatever. It as a perk needs to be in the game to counter hard camping.
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"I have 0 arguments so that means this guy is a troll 🤡🤡🤡🤡"
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This exactly. I'm more than fine with borrowed time punishing tunneling killers, but it shouldn't be rewarding hook farmers.
EDIT: I actually think a good fix for it would be that EVEN if the unhooker had borrowed time, if they farm the survivor in the killers face, borrowed time STILL works for the one who was unhooked, but if they take a hook and get put into the mending state, the unhooker no longer gets the "Safe unhook" points. For the unhooker, it would be as if borrowed time didn't exist. They would still be punished, and the freshly unhooked person wouldn't likely get tunneled, or even slugged.
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Im a killer main. Bt is fine. I go for the unhooker anyways.
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People think "oh you want BT to be nerfed a bit? TUNNELER!!!11111" Same with DS.
Point is that just because something is overtuned (BT, DS), doesn't mean we want to tunnel.
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How do u want us to take your opinion serious when you LIED to us in the stretched res discussion so it fits your entitled killer main agenda?
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I mean, BT just needs to be changed so if the unhooked person takes a hit, they still don't go down, but that hit also strips the unhooker of the ability to get a safe unhook. The effect on the unhooked survivor would remain the same.
As for DS, just make it so if someone else is hooked, you unhook someone else, you fully heal, or you get on a generator, it disables. If any of those 4 things happen, you are obviously not being tunneled. I have zero issues with anti tunnel perks, as long as they don't reward just parading yourself in the killers face cause you know you are invincible.
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Because it’s meant to altruistically save people on the hook but its best use is by far and long turning the person who got unhooked into a meat shield because until those 15 seconds are up, both the unhooked and the unhooker are completely invincible with this strategy. It rewards unhooking in the Killer’s face like a complete idiot. It rewards Survivors for making a stupid, reckless, suicidal misplay.
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God you will not shut up about that will you?
The image isn't edited, he quickly adjusted his camera in a similar position to try and show streched isn't cheating. Look back at the clip, he quickly looks up.
I'm not here to discuss this with you, and more importantly the fact you keep on following me around threads exclaiming I edited something when I didn't makes you look childish as hell. ESPECIALLY when the topic isn't even about stretched.
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It seems to be some killers are unable to do this, smh
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This is called "harassment". They're the type of person who laughs at their own jokes, cause nobody else is laughing. So they need to fill the laughter void.
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"Hey guys look at this *insert false accusation here*, he did this!!!111! His opinion is not valid reeEEEEEEEE"
He did this in another thread, not the first time lmao.
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Nah, I was on this thread before you, next time dont edit pictures to get up votes :)
This is the definition of a entitled killer main, you clearly did that on purpose, let's pretend all survivors look to the ground LMAO
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I feel ya, man. Just laugh knowing - you're better than them, and you're actually trying to contribute instead of being an awful human being.
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Once again, not here to discuss that, if you think I "edited" an image when the best editing software I have is MS paint, then that's you.
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Just remove the ability to get safe unhook points if the person who has BT gets unhooked. Simple fix so if they want to be a shield, it punishes the unhooker either way. I'd be fine with that. No more stacks of WGLF just because you have BT.
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As a surv - People come for the dumbest saves just because they have borrowed time.
As a killer - It just sucks when you find an injured surv, smack them, and they still had bt.
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It has no limitations in the number of times it can be used in a match.
Imagine if it worked the other way around. If it was a killer perk that caused any hooked survivor who is rescued outside of 32 meters from the killer to instantly be put in the dying state for up to 20 seconds and could be used unlimited number of times in a match.
That's why it sucks
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So make your choice but stronger?
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Exactly on that second part. Running towards the hook as I hook the survivor is the dumbest thing survivors can do. BT let's them get away with it.
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Don't be so sure. I had a game recently where a Kate unhooked in my face twice without Borrowed Time. I know she didn't have it because, while I won't actively tunnel a freshly unhooked Survivor, I will attack them if given the opportunity, and I downed the rescuee both times. Rather than re-hook though, I just went after the Kate each time and hooked her.
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I've taken to running Borrowed Time alongside Babysitter. I try not to make stupid saves with it, since part of the idea is to use Babysitter to give them a chance to get away, but I have gone for the occasional YOLO Save.
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