Why Hasn't DS Been Nerfed?
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I assumed it because of the comment you responded to. I'm not saying it shouldn't be anti tunnel. As a 50/50 player I am sick of being tunneled, DS is absolutely an amazing counter for it, but it can be amazing for a whole lot more, and not all of it should be rewarded.
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Statistics is being applied to the game, thats the point of statistics. To be applied to stuff. And if you had an unbiased poll that said plague needs to be nerfed, with no invites or skewing of results, then plague would need to be nerfed. Because thats how statistics worked. You dismiss the statistic for no reason. What do you think the chances are that 70% of the people who saw that post were not just killer mains, but bad killer mains?
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Noed, freddy, spirit with stridor, ebony mori, iri head, deathslinger insta shoot, camping and tunneling reward stupid plays too, and yet they're still here... So?
It is supposed to be a defensive perk with conditions and anti tunnel aspects.
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And when did I say those didn't need changes? Those are all BS too.
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No they're not, or then why didn't they nerf all killers?
How do we exactly know that the people that are going to vote are unbiased? Oh yeah, we can't.
Does that mean old leatherface needs a nerf? he has a 70% kill rate.
Does that mean trapper needs a nerf too? No, cause statistic doesn't work with DBD.
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The point of statistics is to get peoples biases. And leatherface might need a nerf depending on how the devs want to balance the game. If the game is balanced around 70% kill rate hes fine, if its balanced around 50% kill rate hes unbalanced. Same with trapper.
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The thing is, they're still here and devs dont say anything about that, so basically devs think these are fine?
As I said It is supposed to be a defensive perk with conditions and anti tunnel aspects.
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You need to be joking at this point.
The point is, statistic doesn't prove anything on DBD cause
- There are a lot of factors
- We dont know if they're biased or not
- There's a lot more survivors than killers (4v1) so if every DBD player voted, survivors would get a lot more votes in their favor, how is that fair?
That's why I say statistic dont work on DBD
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What does that have to do with my post? The majority thinks DS along with your examples are not fine, so they are not fine. I focused on DS because I had a poll and just got off a game where all 4 survs had it. If I got tunneled 3 games in a row you better believe I'm gonna complain about it.
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The problem with that is, the bias of the people doesn't matter, thats the point of the pole. Its the bias of the pole maker that matters and whether or not they skew the results. And DS is one specific DBD factor, therefore it can be voted on in a bubble. And yes, statistics state that there are likely to be 4x as many survivor mains as killer mains, but wouldn't that prove the point about DS needing a change? If its likely to be 4x the amount of bias towards survivors as there are killers?
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Majority isn't 45 people.
AS i said before 34k are currently playing, 45 people think ds needs a nerf, what if the other 33,955 thinks it doesn't?
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So, if i do a vote about you sending me 500€ every month, and i get a sample size of 100 people to vote, will you respect the result?
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And we've circled right back to the exact same thing. How do we know any of your examples are truly broken then? The poll is backed by science, the recommended idea is that you have 10 voters per variable, in which case 64 should suffice. Since he poll is backed by science, it can be assumed the results are somewhat accurate (Science says that something as drastic as a 20% difference can occur, though its unlikely), in which case approximately half the playerbase would want it changed, which is still enough imo.
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So do you SERIOUSLY think we should balance around biased people? holy f...
I gave you valid arguments and you come up with this? I literally told you why statistic dont work in DBD.
You wanna know why they didn't use kill rate statistic? cause they dont know the factor, if the killer used a mori, camped, if a survivor was afk etc... theres a lot of factors and you can't balance around it.
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If you think 100 random people who know neither of us, and you don't skew the results in any way, or attempt to bias anyone in some kinda way. Sure. However, the situation you propose is whether or not I already do it. So I won't have to respect it.
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Science is science, this is reality.
A lot of things can happen, You are assuming that half of the playerbase would vote that DS needs a nerf, I am assuming that 33,955 people would vote it doesn't. And my assumption would be as valid as yours since you never know what could happen.
I give you a lot factors yet you're ignoring them.
And this is a pointless discussion, devs never use statistic so my argument is valid and they already said it when they posted the kill rates statistic, so just a tip: dont waste your time doing polls.
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@SCP_FOR_DBD Using your logic:
I got more upvotes than you on this discussion, and im against a DS nerf, so the "Majority" agrees with me so whats your point?
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Everyone is biased, that is how the game works. Its the bias of whether or not they think something is fair based on their own experience. You appear to confuse my usage of the word "bias", I am not using bias as in the context of bias of unfair, I am using it in the context of bias built up over playing the game. As for the kill statistic. Those are factors they create, so they have the power to change them. I never said they should change bubba based on that statistic, because they didn't control for variables.
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Everyone use to talk about global warming too, and said Barrack Obama becoming the first black president would end the racial divide once and for all. Look at us today. A country falling apart and global warming didn't exist, and buildings being burned to the ground and innocent white people shot in the streets because "everyone is talking about" how racist the most free country on the planet is. "Everyone" is not always right.
DS is a drop in the bucket to what a killer can bring in a match, whether it be a killer with broken hitboxes or unfair perk combinations.
I know this. Killers love to tunnel and DS is standing in their way. They also love to decimate a team to feed the ego and DS says "not today Charlie". If killers can equip oppressive loadouts, then survivors should have methods of defense and DS doesn't even cut the mustard.
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Wow 70% in a killer biased forum want it easier to tunnel. LOL
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"I never said they should change bubba based on that statistic, because they didn't control for variables."
This apply to DS too, and dude only 3 people agree with your discussion, everyone else is against a DS nerf, so the majority thinks DS doesn't need a nerf (Using your logic)...
Your problem is, you think only because 45 people think DS should be nerfed, you think the rest of the playerbase thinks it should be nerfed, when it doesn't work like that. What if they dont? What if they think it should be buffed?
No one knows, and BHVR isn't dumb to balance around 45 people that are upset about X perk
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This forum is full of killer mains that's why.
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He thinks only because 45 people said they want it nerfed everyone thinks that too, it's just hillarious at this point
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Science is applied to reality, thats why we have science. Tell me one time science has been wrong. And as for the upvote argument, at this time the post has 238 views, you have 20 upvotes at this time, this does not account for the potential of someone liking multiple comments at a time. Same goes for mine. Therefore, neither can be used as a proper basis for it. Though statistics would indicate that you are more widely believed to be true, whilst I am in the minority. The difference between the devs kil statistic and my opinion is just that, one is a hard statistic taken from the game without controlling for variables. Mine is an opinion poll that has. (In case your wondering what I controlled for, that is the 20% difference that was said.) Consider this a response to the other replys you made in the time it took for me to write this = as well. This comment took a while to make. You have given a good bit too think about, thank you.
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A lot of time, search it on google.
" at this time the post has 238 views, you have 20 upvotes at this time, this does not account for the potential of someone liking multiple comments at a time."
Using your logic, your poll had 174 views and only 45 people think DS should be nerfed.
And the difference is, that variables apply to your poll too, and we can't balance the game around 45 people. That is obvious, if you dont realize this then you're blind.
And no, polls are not reliable, remember when a lot of posters predicted that Hillary Clinton would win the 2016 election? You already know what happend.
So dont pretend that only because 45 people think DS needs to be nerfed, 34,955 thinks it should too, no one knows what is going to happen.
And even then, back to the kill rates, if plague ever gets nerfed, that's not healthy for game and balance, and this pretty obvious, thanks god devs dont do polls on this game, so basically this discussion is pointless cause devs dont listen to this.
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Science can not by definition be wrong, either some unknown variable is changing science, or the science was based in fallacy and should not have been considered science in the first place. The 2016 polls were technically right, Hillary got more votes, from what I can tell they didn't account for the electoral college. You keep confusing what I'm saying, the poll is an indication of what the majority thinks. Its not 100% accurate (Thats why I keep adding/ditching 20%) Those 64 people are stand ins for the game community. Similar to how 100 people is normally a sample size used to demonstrate the common populations ideals in the real world, if 100 can be used as a stand in for 7.8 billion people, why can't 64 be used as a stand in for 35,019 people? And I am not saying 34,955 people are asking for it to be changed, how you got that statistic I don't know.
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Wait, you don't seriously think global warming doesn't exist do you?
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"the poll is an indication of what the majority thinks"
Yet you're back at it... dude I already told you why this is wrong, yet you just ignore it or dont adress it, if you're not going to adress my points, then im sorry but i'll be forced to leave.
You are revolving around a conspiracy / assumption that could be like this or not, it is a 50/50, what you could not understand is that this does not apply to games ..
Right now there are 29,151 people playing, you cannot say that just because 45 people said that DS needs changes, the rest think the same, when it is not, it is only a conspiracy.
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@SCP_FOR_DBD I can't edit but read this.
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Not man-made global warming, but the Earth naturally has periods of warming and cooling.
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i think ds just needs a rework because if your heal up doing a gen or saving some off a hook your not being tunneled
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You still ignore what I have to say. I already stated why the 45 votes matters to it. I controlled for variables to get the farthest of each situation. Yet here you are, still claiming all I'm saying is "duh 45 people mean majority", the difference between my views and yours is that my views are backed by science. You have yet to address my points either. "Similar to how 100 people is normally a sample size used to demonstrate the common populations ideals in the real world, if 100 can be used as a stand in for 7.8 billion people, why can't 64 be used as a stand in for 35,019 people? And I am not saying 34,955 people are asking for it to be changed, how you got that statistic I don't know."
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That has 4 categories, and is much wider of a pool. Mix that in with party bias "Different from killer/survivor bias" and you have a different situation.
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Didn't ignore it, that you ignore mine because the majority is against your post and you have no one to respond to is another matter.
Science has been wrong and many times, I already told you to google them, but since you ignored that, it is not my problem.
And if you are going to base yourself on an assumption, the truth is that it is not worth arguing with you.
MANY and too many times the pools have been wrong, quite a few reliable sources have confirmed it, that you want to choose your cherry picked web sites is another matter.
Most of the DBD community are survivors (4: 1 ratio) so if those 100 people are killer mains they would obviously want DS nerfed, and you would be hovering over 34,955 people believing that they all think the same as a main killer would do.
Do you see the problem with your argument?
A good example would be:
I do a survey to 100 people who are biased with the red color.
All of them are obviously going to reply that they like the color red.
So should I assume that all human beings like the color red?
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@SCP_FOR_DBD I edited my comment but im waiting for it to be approved, so yeah guess you should wait for my response
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Borrowed Time - Good anti tunnel perk that does it's job, even prevents camping. Barely anybody wants this perk nerfed, even killers don't due to it being fair.
Decisive strike - Very good perk that does a little too much, can be abused for 1 minute of 100% invincibility and is hell when combined with soul guard, unbreakable. Makes the killer feel unfairly punished for getting DSed because he doesn't have a 60 second timer for every unhook. Most broken (IMO) when hook bombing with DS, now 2 people are invincible.
There are good designed anti tunnel perks like BT, and there are bad ones like DS. If killers really wanted to tunnel, they would be asking for both a DS nerf and a BT nerf. But they don't.
DS is unfair.
(Inb4 "just play PH lmao")
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That is a biased site with an agenda. How would they know or prove that humans are emitting more gases than what the Earth is naturally producing? Records have only been studied for about 100 years. It is estimated Earth is 4.5 billion years old. There could have been millions of times when it was a lot hotter than it is today!
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Looks like my comment didn't get approved, so i'll just say this:
I'll do a survey to 100 people. All of them are biased to the red color.
I'll ask them they're favorite color, they're obviously going to answer red.
So now I should pretend EVERYONE likes the red color and is their favorite color?
See why your argument is wrong?
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DS is a joke of what it once was. It used to be that DS gave an entire team immunity in the beginning of the game. They did not have to be hooked, it was without a time limit. They could skip using it and save it and save it if they wanted to. Nothing like eating 4 DS before the first hook and having 1 gen left.
DS is fine as is. The only tweak it may need is to deactivate when inside the locker.
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Thats kinda what I'm looking for, nothing huge. Just a few small nerfs that make it less abuseable.
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Sorry your edit didn't get approved. While your situation isn't a perfect example of what my poll is (It assumes everyone is biased towards one, mine had a similar problem, not to the same extent.) i see the problem with my reasoning. I was a little tipsy and got into an argument with my mates, they sprayed me with a hose, that seems to have cured it. Sorry for my stubbornness. On a different note, can you help me with this anti global warming guy? Since you are far better at this than me.
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Same way we know dinosaurs existed. Same way we know anything old that isn't around now existed. If you want proper facts, heres NASA. Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
If you can give me something without an agenda and with more credibility than ######### NASA, I might entertain your beliefs.
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Dont worry, we're all here to help us each other, DS needs a change, which is to deactivate in lockers, that's the only change I think it needs IMO, it doesn't bother me as a killer but I see why.
And are you talking about sluzzy? oh well, I need to analize his comments but right now I'm going into a virtual class, so I'll see what I can do.
All I can say, thank you for being mature and accept that you're wrong, a lot of people on the forums are unable to do that
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Why hasn't camping/tunneling been nerfed?
Oh. Yeah, because just like DS it doesn't "need it".
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Yeah, I feel like DS could use some changes, mostly for lockers and gens.
As for sluzzy, I've got into a fight with 3 anti vaxxers yesterday (2 of them were family members), I'm a little tired of arguing with people like that.
Thanks for being so understanding! Most of the time I get called any number of things, none of them are very kind.
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We know dinosaurs exists because of hard facts, being fossils. However, knowing the "precise" temperature of the atmosphere across that entire timeline is impossible. They can estimate and they know from studying the surface that there has been periods of warming and cooling and humans have only been here a tiny part of that history. My point is they can't prove humans is causing global warming. We can't even predict the path of a hurricane with 100% accuracy, we certainly don't know everything about the highest parts of the atmosphere when we can't even predict the lower part of it.
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The problems I have with DS are
- The perk last too long, I can hook 2 other survivor's and still get punished fore tunneling even though I didn't tunnel
- How easily abused the perk is especially when killer's are trying to play fair and mind they own damn business
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I think it doesn't need changes for gens.
You can do swing (dont be close to the survivor so the game doesn't grab the survivor) and slug him, but locker DS has no counter, but anyways i'd rather eat the ds, they're going to be in the floor again in 15s lmao.
I think you should just ignore them, they're really anooying and toxic, they just seek for attention, everytime I see a "COVID-19 vaccine has a chip so bill gates can control us" i laugh out loud 😂, they just seek for attention that's all what they want, hopefully oxford vaccine will help us to end this pandemic once and for all.
And dont worry, people on internet are really rude, a lot of them are just salty kids, if they insult you just leave the discussion (that's what I do) they suffer more when you don't pay attention to them.
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Stranger things, but I think everyone knows this serie lol
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We know based on the animals tolerance at the time plus the stuff you yourself have said proved the earth cooled and warmed, Not to mention the fact you still haven't provided a source nor have you disproven NASA.
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