When will Discordance get edited?
Hello I have a question about Discordance since the level 1 perk is kinda more powerful than the level 3 one, shouldn't it be the otherway around?
For Example
Discordance Level 1 = Send a notification when 2 survivors are working on a gen every 8 seconds
Discordance Level 3 = Send a notification when 2 survivors are working on a gen every 12 seconds.
Swap them around so ...
Discordance Level 3 would be = Send a notifcation when 2 survivors are working on a gen every 8 seconds.
Or in general rework the perk somehow because right now its hard to see a level 1 perk is more powerful than the level 3 one.
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Especially for people who got their cast p3 full perks before realising this...like me
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For now I have all currently available killer perks level 3 on my spirit expect discordance. But I know that feel.
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Discordance shouldn't even have levels, I think it's a perfect example that leveling perks is a bad mechanic. Also, it is stressful to have to go up to level 3 one perk, spending a lot of points on the bloodweb.
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Actually tier 3 is the better option it’s only your personal preference to use tier 1
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This has been answered many times and they don't plan on changing it as some prefer lvl 1 for more notifications and others prefer level 3 for less notifications. Basically those that like it how it is like the idea less noise spam.
It comes down to personal preference.
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Their response was that they'll keep it that way because different people have different tastes, saying that some prefer the longer Aura duration, and if people want the level 1 version, then they can choose to not level it up.
Which is flawed logic, cause first of all, the game purposefully doesn't tell you beforehand what the next level(s) are like, so you need information from others or the wiki to even know level 3 is "worse".
And secondly, we can't revert Perk levels, so those who didn't know or didn't care at the time are completely screwed.
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Having a loud noise indicator go off 50% more often in a game where your sense of sound is critical isn't a better option when the T3 version gives you the same information, but actually for even longer after they get off the gen.
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I don't think 1 is definitively better than 3. It depends on what kind of player you are and what your build is. Discordance level 1 gives you more recent information, which is good if you're paying a lot of attention to gen auras, but it means you have a higher risk of not seeing the aura. Discordance level 3 gives you information for longer, so you have 4 more seconds to look up and see the aura, but the information is also less current.
I personally think the difference between tier 1 and tier 3 is very small. If you have two people on a gen, they're probably going to stay there until they finish a gen. The main exception is if the killer downs a survivor and forces one of the survivors to leave to go for the save. After a killer downs a survivor is a really easy time to take a peek at the gens and look for a yellow aura, though, so you should see that easily in tier 1 or tier 3.
Personally I think I'd rather have tier 3 in most cases. It's not always easy to focus on gen auras when you're in a chase, so having four extra seconds to see the aura means there's a higher chance I'll see it if one or both survivors leave the gen early. You could make the argument "well, why would you want to pressure the gen directly if one or both survivors were already forced to leave to save teammates, etc.?" My response to that is simple: Pop. Even if you don't run right over to the gen and choose to defend your hooks / slugs instead, you still know that there's probably a good amount of progress on that gen and you should try to pop it if you're in the area.
Like I said, though, I really don't think tier 1 and tier 3 are very different in strength.
Edit: I also didn't realize Discordance gives a loud noise notification, but from the other comments it seems it does. That's pretty stupid imo - compare to perks like Surveillance that don't give loud noise notifications. In that case, it's more of a trade off between tier 1 spamming loud noise notifications versus tier 3 not spamming loud noise notifications quite as much. 1 is definitely "stronger" than 3 if there's a loud noise notification, but the loud noise notification spam is also a bit of a downside if you're trying to listen to track nearby survivors. I still think there's room to prefer 3 over 1 for that reason, even if the effect is weaker.
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I do think its better how it is now. The more the yellow notification lasts, the bigger the chance to see it when my attention gets free. Maybe there arent 2 or more survs up there anymore, but at least one stays in the gen, aways, wich keeps the perk useful anyway.
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Obligatory weekly discordance thread
No. At this point the perk is a year and a half old. Anyone who wanted the T1 now has the T1 and anyone who wants the t3 now has the t3. Swapping them now literally ######### over every single old player.
All the devs need to do is let us choose which perk level we want to use provided we've unlocked them. Say you've got Autodidact t3 you can choose to use T1 t2 ot t3 but say you have ds T1 you can only use ds T1
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Discordance is so annoying! Useful, but annoying. Here’s how I’d like to see it edited:
When 2 or more survivors are on a gen, receive a loud noise notification (only one) and the gen will have a yellow aura for as long as multiple survivors are working it. Receive a token each time Discordance produces a loud noise notification, up to a max on 2/3/4 tokens. Consume a token to further damage an already damaged/regressing generator. (This is equal to a normal kick.)
I think this could be very powerful, but not OP. Plenty of counterplay to deny tokens by not teaming up on gens (which is more efficient anyway. And it’ll be easy to tell when a killer is using this perk.
But here’s why I like it. It makes it worth your while to travel across the map to a discordance gen. Most of the time you get there and it’s so far gone that kicking is almost pointless. Now you can actually make a real dent on that gen’s progress and stand a chance if they try to “tap-swarm” it. Furthermore, no more annoying booms every few seconds!
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Having Autodidact T3
>deciding to use the T1 version
>its free real estate
Really loved the exemple you chose out for this hahahaha but i see your point, even tho there is almost no perks that are better at rank 1/2 then 3 (other then discordance and the old version of devour hope)
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Yes please it annoys me to no end that Discordance T2 is always on my bloodweb because that's the most optimal way to use the perk.
Fix this already how difficult can it be. Swap the numbers first and if needed rework it later down the line but good god this seems so silly leaving it as it is for so long. I get it's not a HIGH PRIORITY issue but how hard can it really be to address.
I keep saying that levels on perks need to go. Levels is why some perks have stupid stats tacked onto them. BHVR always wants a perk to have something to scale off of. It's why NOED has movement speed and Lightborn has the auras thing tacked on. We could have cool unique perks if tiers didn't exist but they want their bloodpoints economy to be a thing.
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i wouldnt like that.
they should make the aura notification i get inbetween the audio cues more accurate by making it turn off as soon as one leaves the gen and the perk would be fine.
if there is one thing i hate its when i chase someone and every 8 seconds discordance screams in my ear "HEY THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE, DID YOU KNOW?". i need ONE notification to know there are two players there, not 50.
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and if people want the level 1 version, then they can choose to not level it up.
When I was leveling up Legion, both times I reached a Level when only one perk was available, it was Discordance. So no, I could not simply choose to not level it up unless I opted to just stop leveling up Legion altogether.
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I completely agree. Having three levels to every perk should be changed to just one.
This is hands-down one of the grindiest games in recent memory, and having to invest millions upon millions of bloodpoints into just one character so that you can unlock the highest level of perks is beyond aggravating.
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I think Dowsey made a video about T3 being better than T1...then Otzdarva thinks the inverse...
I guess is just personal preference, I agree that having a notification more frequently might be better but it can be annoying while in a chase.
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Discordance T2 is the one true discordance and anyone who thinks otherwise is a vile heretic.
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T1 is inarguably better information. Once you start heading toward the gen you can tell 50% faster if they've booked it or not over t3. There are no actual information benefits of using a higher tier unless you don't want to take a moment in the 8 seconds of highlight to look at what gen it is. Maybe they could go best of both worlds and make the aura last longer but make the noise notifications more frequent.
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A minor change they could make might be to change the intensity or color of the yellow aura based on the number of players doing the gens for the higher rank versions. So at rank 2 you get one color/brightness if three or four people are on a gen and at rank 3 you get one color if two are on a gen, another if three are on it and another if four are on it.
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I'm one of those people that prefers t3 Disco because I can't stand the loud noise spam and the added 4 seconds of yellow aura doesn't really matter when 99 times out of 100 one person stays on the gen anyway.
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Hey look I was walking to the bank in like 30 degree heat cut me a break I couldn't think of a good example
I guess there's actually Make Your Choice too which some people prefer T1 of.
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The main argument I see is that Loud Noise Notifications are annoying. What if they just gave Discordance it's own unique sound that isn't?
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It's on the list, and it will be updated "soon". I can't comment on exactly when, as usual. But the new design is in place and it will go out as soon as it can get through the production pipeline.
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Neat. :) Any details on what the new version will do, generally speaking?
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On a tangent I'd love to see Spies From the Shadows use crow calls instead of explosions for its noise alerts. 😄
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Complete random guess without anything to back it up:
Any time two or more Survivors are working on the same Generator, you receive a Noise notification.
The aura of a Generator being worked on by two or more Survivors will be highlighted in yellow. The aura will remain for 12/10/8 seconds after one or fewer Survivors are working on it.
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As it has not been implemented yet, it could change at the last minute. So I'm sorry that I can't comment on that at the moment.
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And here is an example of why we don't need development answers from people who are not developers.
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And here is an example of why we don't need comments from people unrelated to the thread, especially when the only purpose of it is to mock another.
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People confidently giving answers that could be completely the opposite of reality is actively harmful to useful discussion and the issue plagues every facet of this forum.
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People giving answers based on previous developer's statements (I like how you went for mine, not those from @Boss or @twistedmonkey which said the same as mine :p) is what is normal, sensible people do. Clearly something was changed with no details being given just yet outside of the dev team, as confirmed by @Almo. Please, take a seat.
Post edited by GoodBoyKaru on0 -
There are very few perks people want at Tier 1. Changing the UI to allow selection across the board is not an efficient use of production time. It's much better just to design the perks so that T3 is always the one you want. Discordance has this issue, so we're going to fix it.
:)
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Dont worry i was just joking around, no harm intended hahaha
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I know you can’t say much but will this change screw over those who prefer tier 3 though?
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Such a mean, rude bully >:C
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I have this same issue but with make your choice, I prefer myc 1 over 3
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Then we can expect Make Your Choice to change as well, can't we?
Some people like the longer duration of Exposed, others like to be able to trigger Exposed more rapidly.
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Keep it this way please. The last thing I need is a notification every 7 seconds on something I already know is happening
If more people are on a gen while you're in a chase, they are unlikely to leave it before you're done. If you're not in a chase, you don't need 58w993483920 notifications to know where to go.
Don't change it kthxbye
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The goal of the new design is to remove the issue so that everyone will prefer the Tier 3 version.
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Alright that’s good to hear I hope it ends up being something everybody can enjoy
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Honestly I'm fine with it staying the way it is as long as people who have T1 have a way of stopping it's showing up in the blood web.
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What about the people that don't have it at tier 1? Even It's, the postorchild for T1 discordance, was forced to purchase T2 and T3 on a lot of killers. Changing it after the fact isn't exactly fair.
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No worries, guess I'll wait! 😄
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Huh, that raises an interesting follow-up then, what other perks if any are being revised because Tier 3 isn't as popular or as good as Tier 1?
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Did you read my post I literally said I'm fine with it staying how it is
As long as they give people who want to keep tier-1 and option just to lock it like that so it doesn't keep polluting the bloodweb. This wouldn't affect anybody else except people who wanted to stay tier 1
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Really I'm just waiting for perk tiers to be removed entirely.
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Why do killers perks get buffed more than survivors?
Discordance works as intended and for as long as needed I dont think it needs a change
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Sorry i decided ill make you my objectif of obsession, just let me head on the conversation with my decisive strike to lighten up your day...
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