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Camping and tunneling new survivors
I know people have been complaining about this since the beginning of time, but can something be done about this already?
I personally don't care too much if it happens to me because I have an idea of how to deal with it, but I've had a couple of friends start the game and it's really discouraging to new players when this stuff keep happening.
I even try to throw myself at the killer to give my friend a chance or use BT but nothing. It's not even giving them a chance to play to get better so they quit, and I'm sure it's happening to a lot of other people too.
Rant over lol.
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U guys need to play with meta perks ds/bt there is no other counter play for proxy Camper/tunnler
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Not everyone will have the Halloween chapter, or think that a character like Bill is initially strong.
Even with those perks, it is still relatively easy enough to miss a DS check or not hold a chase long enough.
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New players go against new killers. And new killers have no clue that what they are doing is frowned upon. They just do it because it seems logical to do it and you can't really blame them either. Devs need to come up with something.
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Yea I mean if their goal is to kill the person they're probably doing a pretty good job of it by doing that.
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Except with how crappy match making is, new players are going against rank 1s.
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@Scardkekz the thing is they’re new, they’re still trying to level up character. I’m the one bringing the perks to try to help them out.
I’m not in the high ranks right now cause I haven’t been playing as much, so we get matched with yellow green.
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There's nothing wrong with "tunneling" and "camping", other than it can be bad strategy to stand around a hook doing nothing or chase someone way too long while the gens get done. And sorry to say but new players are the ones that are most likely to be spotted, chased and downed so they're likely the first ones to die in a match regardless of how good or bad a killer is.
Honestly new players are going to get creamed in most multiplayer games starting out, it's the way of the world in this genre. You just have to stick with it, understand that losing is part of the learning experience, and get better over time basically. And I'm sure lots of people on the forums are happy to give advice and point to videos, etc, to help out.
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Use ds Unbrakable BT and dead hard, and if you dont have this perks you just cry
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@Breque Clearly you didn't read what I wrote.
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THe problem with camping and tunneling is that it's a strategy that is beyond unfun to go against, especially camping, since you pretty much don't get to play the game, and it's too rewarding for how little skill it requires. If it was less effective, less people would be encouraged to just camp and tunnel, which is why the devs should look into weakening camping and tunneling.
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Wait its possible to miss a DS check
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Camping mid-game isn't effective except when the survivors are silly enough to just rush in blindly for a rescue. If they are patient and do gens before one of them goes for a save the camper will lose. It doesn't need to be weaker, it's already a weak strategy.
And "tunneling" is literally just knocking someone down twice in a row. I'm convinced tunneling complaints are more about sore losing than anything else. Yeah, dying isn't as fun as surviving, so what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with downing someone twice in a row or chasing an injured survivor over a healthy survivor. "But it's not fun for them", is short-hand for "I'm losing so I'm not having fun". Losing is part of the game, I don't go around griping it's unfun when survivors escape, so why would I go around griping if I was clumsy enough to get downed multiple times by a killer?
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No wrong, if people say getting downed right after they get unhooked is not fun then that doesn't mean they just can't lose. They say it because indeed it's no fun. Because it kinda denies them to play the actual game. I get that some people complain about tunneling even if the killer didn't tunnel, some people accused me of tunneling even though I didn't. But there are people that actually have reasons to complain about tunneling because actual tunneling is just awful to go against.
Also, camping can be quite effective against solo teams, and at times even swf teams. It's just still too effective for how unfun it is to go against, and how barely any skill it takes to pull of.
For the health of the game and it's design, it would be better if the devs found a way to make camping and tunneling less effective, so people are further discouraged to camp and tunnel.
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Well first, saying "some" is a gross understatement. I never face camp mid-game (it's bad strategy) and I basically just chase who I have an opportunity to chase, but I get called a camper or tunneler pretty frequently after a loss. It's not an uncommon occurrence and it's almost always a survivor who died complaining about it. It's definitely a sore losing thing.
And I get it, losing isn't fun. But getting downed occasionally after a hook is part of the game.
Now if you want to talk about player elimination in general as a concept in multiplayer games, I'd agree with you that it's kind of a terrible mechanism, especially if it's a long game and the eliminate person has to wait a while to do anything else. Dead By Daylight fortunately isn't that long a game, about 10 minutes, so typically an eliminated player who actually wants to stick around and watch the rest of the match only has to do it for a few minutes before the game ends. But yeah, in a perfect world I'm not an advocate of player elimination in multiplayer games generally speaking, and if there were a way to do this sort of game without kicking people out one at a time I'd be for it.
But as it stands of course that's not the case, players get eliminated one at a time and that's pretty much the way it is. I'm not saying you need to think it's fun to be eliminated, but I am saying it's not the killer's problem if you're not having fun simply because they downed you quickly.
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Well I never blame the killer for tunneling or camping, I just think it would be healthy for the game if the devs found a way to nerf camping and tunneling so it is less encouraged. Because right now it seems like too many people still do it. I get that by design, this isn't easy to do so, simply because camping and tunneling are strategies that are created by the core design of the game. But I do believe there could be ways to make these strategies less effective which would be a good thing.
And I really am talking about tunneling a survivor non stop. I understand that sometimes survivors get downed after being unhooked without the killer necessarily tunneling. It's just about making camping and tunneling in general less effective. The less effective tunneling is, the less people will most likely do it. And if killers should get some buff in return, that of course would need to happen as well. It's really just to further improve the game's fun factor for both sides.
Also, in my experience, it's only a small minority of people that complain about me tunneling even though I didn't. I honestly barely get them at all. Most of the survivors I go against do not complain about tunneling if there was none, not at all. Not sure what kind of people you go against but I feel like you only think it's so many simply because you only remember those people, and not the many survivors that simply don't write anything into post game chat.
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It is possible to express an opinion without all the edgy insults. Of course I'm sure you are a pro the minute you start up any game ever made right? I mean that's the only legitimate reason you have to make a statement like that.
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Yeah, I'm guessing around 10% of people generally speaking are jerks, so regardless of tunneling and camping, etc, about 1/10 survivors are going to be rude in chat after a game regardless of what happens (if they win they'll make fun of you, if they lose they'll blame it on tunneling or camping or your loadout or whatever). So not a high percentage really but since there are four survivors per game it ends up being about once a night assuming I play 2-3 games. Obviously if they win they don't have a complaint about tunneling or camping, it's only when they die that it's a thing.
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I would guess the percentage to be a bit lower maybe, although maybe 10% is quite accurate. Who knows, there are days where I'd assume it would be even higher admittedly.
Sad enough if you get the worst of the worst, those even behave like jerks when they win.
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Lol i got facecamped by a billy for daring to have ds on my character. Nice chap to. Told me he hopes i get covid and stage 4 cancer at same time.
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SWF groups can go against rank 1
A 4 solo new players wont go higher then rank 14 or 12 actually
But if theyre in a swf (especially with one that has higher level) then yeah they get the short end of the stick
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Lol, well on the flip side 10% of people are awesome! 🙂 So I also get a nice comment probably every other day too. It does work both ways.
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@Dan_Eightynin9 You sound like you have 10IQ or something. With that mentality the game will DIE OFF eventually if new people don't keep coming in and the game loses existing players.
I bet you're a camper yourself and a sore winner, yikes.
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