I feel bad for Otz...
He uploaded a video where he got 4 escaped by a group of toxic survivors and they still flashlight bm him after he played fair on a survivor favored map. He’s probably THE if not one of the most kindest YouTuber/Streamers out there. With that being said, notice how he uploaded a match where he lost and wasn’t afraid to show it meanwhile other YouTubers and streamers (not saying names) only upload games where they ONLY escape or Kill everyone. This game is just getting more toxic as the days go by.
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I uploaded a very similar one just today, with two games played one after the others: one against a full swf team (4 blendettes with Object of Obsession), the other vs a Solo team.
Can you guess the difference between the two games?
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Games are too easy for survivors at high ranks, once you reach a certain level it's just child's play to run any killer at any skill level in the game. Hexy's tournament even showed this. It's just not a fun game at high levels, and survivors that reach higher levels of play need something to keep them occupied, so they figure out ways to abuse the killer, since wins are too easy. Nothing is done to help keep this in check.
People like to say there are toxic players on both sides, but really there isn't. If you see a toxic killer, chances are they are that way because of survivors. There's just nothing a killer can do against survivors, and survivors are allowed free reign to rub their superiority in the face of killers. The two things killers can do against survivors is camp and tunnel, but those two things are severely limited due to perks like BT and DS. Meanwhile survivors can bodyblock, they can teabag, they can relentlessly blind the killer, they can hold the game hostage, and they can do this all while effortlessly doing the gens and opening the gates because the game gives them the time to do so, there is no sense of beating the clock.
I can go hours and hours playing survivor games with no toxic killers. It only takes two or three games as killer to find a toxic survivor lobby, that then sours my mood and makes me play more ruthlessly as killer. There's just nothing the killer can do to survivors that's really toxic without sacrificing the game as a result. I think that's the major problem. Survivors can be super toxic and do this to one of the strongest killer players in the game while also doing their objectives. Most of the time if you choose to tunnel or camp survivors as killer, you're likely not going to 4k.
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that's why he needs to change his attitude towards this game and eventually the game itself will help him.
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I have a lot of respect and appreciation when streamers upload the games that they lose to. As experienced as a lot of these streamers are, they all have bad games. They're not infallible, and I hate it when they try and pretend that they are. We can clearly tell that they all have their fair share of losses as a lot of times you can easily tell that they're not always a rank 1.
DBD can be a lot of fun, but it's also one of the most imbalanced and toxic games out there. I don't have hours each day to invest into this game so I play the game casually at best, and it's really hard to play this game casually since the matchmaking can ensure that you never get a fair and balanced experience.
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Honestly if all streamers posted their losses they'd be way more interesting to watch.
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He lost a game this is so sad for him. Perhaps he won once or twice before who knows.
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Dude I really do at times get mad when players do Otz like this like he is one of the nicest dbd content creators I know, hes a great teacher at the game as well
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I never really got into watching Otz for some reason but he does seem like one of the nicest streamers. 🙂
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There are more streamers who upload their failures than you may think. I've seen tons from Otz, Puppers and even Monto. Though he is often considered divisive, N00b3 dies in most of his vids. Otz even posts compilation videos of him getting beaten.
There is a reason I don't buy into many narratives about "get gud and don't get caught" or "learn to end loops faster and get gud". It's because I've seen really good players beaten often in streams and videos. Being good does not mean 4k every match or escape every chase.
Oh, and there are tons of toxic players on both sides.
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So you're condoning toxic behavior?
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Could you link the video/vod of that match?
Would be interesting to watch
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Yay, cannot wait to see this video reposted 10 more times from people who are more offended about the game in question than Otz himself.
There are toxic people on both sides. And apparently in Otz Chat as well, since they seemed to go to the Chat of Penzi and harrassed him. Would be some irony if they were also disgusted by the flashlight-clicking.
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Which is why I don't understand when people say this game is killer-sided. When survivors can be this toxic because they're not afraid of getting hit or killed, means that they have far too many perks and tools at their disposal.
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It's not that he lost. It's that the other side was toxic with the taunts, let alone being SWF.
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This kind of behavior is what ruins the game. People acting like this are no fun to play with and causes other people to be try hards. The problem is a killer gets bullyed by toxic swf and they can only take it out on the people they come across in the next match. Those people didn't have anything to do with it.
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I mean as toxic survivors go this was pretty light. No teabagging or pointing. Yes they did macro clicks which - why is that even a thing? But as toxicity goes this doesnt even register - at least not that I've encountered!
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"The problem is a killer gets bullyed by toxic swf and they can only take it out on the people they come across in the next match. Those people didn't have anything to do with it."
Yeah, but why even take it out on them in the first place? Like, I also dont grab my Skeleton Key after I got morid by an Iri Head Huntress or a Stridor Spirit just to get a Hatch escape against that poor Wraith in the next game I play.
I am not saying that this behavior is any good and players should not act like that, but in the end, you are all getting offended by players teabagging (and flashlight-clicking) in a videogame.
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Don't feel bad for him. Games like that just give him more content so that he continues to make a living off of playing a video game. Have some perspective.
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Lucky for him that he gets paid to take the abuse. Most people that play this game just take it for free.
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Though you make some good points you lost me pretty early on:
"People like to say there are toxic players on both sides, but really there isn't. If you see a toxic killer, chances are they are that way because of survivors."
You dont think toxic survivors are made by toxic killers? I never played with DS until crossplay (aside from Laurie adept achievement) due to the amount of camping and tunneling crossplay killers. I'm apparently toxic because I run this perk. But I wouldnt have run it if not for tunneling/camping killers. I've only ever teabagged/BMd a killer if they BM first - teabagging pig/GF or tunneling/camping.
TLDR: To say only toxic killers are made by toxic survivors is false. Toxicity is on both sides and both sides feed into the other.
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Otz imo is a decent trapper, when he has another killer in his hands hes nothing special
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Honestly, I think EXACTLY these other youtubers are a great part of the problem. they spread a 'you must play like this and always win, otherwise you suck' mentality.
like, i recently had a match of I assume four soloQs (didn't ask) and three of them been goofing around with my deathslinger (testing new build and i'm not playing too serious anyway) but number 4 (rank 5 iirc) then went to get on our throats for how much we suck and how they'll be reporting us for griefing etc (we didn't do anything to a disadvantage of that player) and how we 'need to learn to play'
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I wouldn't say it's toxic but it was a whole of bm for a stacked swf who sent him to an unfavorable map. Insults and racist/homophobic slurs are what I would deem toxic.
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I watched the entire video - You guys are really screaming over flashlight clicking? Not once did I see someone t-bag at a pallet or from afar. There wasn't even toxic endgame chat. All I saw was competent teamwork - SWF or not. Flashlight clicking? Really? If only I dealt with "toxicity" as simple as that when playing survivor.
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I think he is super kind and is really good as trapper! Unfortunately, I have had teammates like this and even played against survivors who just abuse certain items and it makes the game so unplayable. Sure, you got me with the flashlight after pallet stunning me, but was it necessary to do it another five times as i break them lol. And don't even get me started on teammates who are off doing wack stuff instead of objectives. Also the killers who will camp important things ( For example: Amanda with traps, Wraith with hooked survivors, etc.) really get on my last nerve because I'm not an amazing player, but there's no skill in camping things and downing me by doing so just seems so dull. Anyways, props to Otz for being a good player, he's well loved by the community and I'm sure this group will experience a killer with no patience for their shenanigans
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Not sure why Otz decided to play dumb here.. Intentionally or not but he took no perks to help him in chase - No Bamboozle, no no PWYF, no Spirit Fury, No Im All Ears, no Blood Echo, no PWYF, absolutely nothing, not even Enduring and Brutal Force, and, also, picked a killer who has no tools to end chases, lol. Intentionally or not but he made every possible worst choice he could to prepare himself for drama. If someone is surprised that he got himself in trouble with those perks and m1 killer, you must have less than 10h in game. Is Otz a new player, too?
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Not really. Survivor isn't challenging and frustrating enough for killers to really add fuel to the fire. I play survivor at high red ranks solo and most of my games I'm mad at the other survivors rather than the killer. My last 100 games at rank 1 have had 5 moris and 3 tunnelers / campers. I very rarely run into toxic killers, and if they are being toxic, they are ruining their game. You just don't get killers that want to intentionally ruin their game at the highest ranks. It's part of my point. Survivors can be toxic while also easily escaping. Not saying there's absolutely none, but they're few and far inbetween that the few games per 100 that I get aren't that big of a deal.
Meanwhile, like I said, within the first 2-3 killer games I get toxic survivors at rank 1. When I was in green and purple ranks I did run into quite a few toxic killers, though. It just gets rarer as you go up the ranks, the inverse is true with survivors. I don't start my killer sessions wanting to be a jerk to survivors, but survivors quickly change my mood. I imagine this is true for many killers.
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Amen to getting more annoyed with rando teammates at red ranks.
I do feel that it comes down to a lot of perception bias. Take Otzs vid. The poster is saying how survivors are toxic, etc. From what I could see it was only one Claud using the FL macro. 1 toxic survivor and you get the view that all the survivors were toxic.
When you play killer you go against 4 survivors - 4 times the chance of encountering toxicity than when you play survivor and encounter 1 killer (and to an extent 3 survivors but we'll ignore sandbagging/trolling for now).
Add to that survivors who are toxic like to play with friends and tend to also play with toxic survivors. Playing against 4 toxic survivors is a lot more infuriating than playing against 1 toxic survivor and 3 others.
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If you consider bodyblocking and flashlight blinding to be "toxic" that's not really surprising to begin with.
Bodyblocking is directly encouraged by the game by protection hits and all the perks that involve them, and the entire purpose of flashlights is to blind the killer.
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Swfs are the true killers of this game.
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He deserves to lose because he always plays nice. If you wanna see a streamer that actually tries to win just watch hexy
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Tbf, look at Otz's build. They're all running good perks.
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Doctor's power can do good work against pallets and windows, so he probably decided to use those perks elsewhere aside from STBFL. STBFL definitely helps in chase, though.
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except you ignore pretty much the entirety of the rest of my post. It's the fact that survivors are capable of doing those things without any risk. The game gives them enough chances and enough time to get away. Obviously the whole reason why you get blood points for protection hits is that they're supposed to confer risk on the one taking the hit, but this is not the case. It boils down to risk, punishment, and reward.
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Discordance is not a perk I like to run on Doctor, but it is quite strong. Surge is strong as well. How would you have changed his build?
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"Why take it out on them in the first place"
Why was the swf toxic in the first place? Besides venting is good. Letting all that angry bottle up until it explodes leads to something worse.
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I love the attitude of some people saying he deserves to lose because he's a literal nice person. You guys are the reason this community sucks. Honestly, we need more people like Otz. He helps playing against scum bareable.
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Even Otz is supposed to lose sometimes. But does he lose enough?
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because the game is survivor side that may never going to change.
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Otz is one of the people in the DBD community that we should really prop up. Like Umbra, Bronx & Tofu. The people that are good, positive & have strong communities.
It's the Hexys & AngryPugs of the world that shouldn't be put on a platform. Big followings, hosting tournaments or not. If you hoist up the negativity & give them a platform, expect that to spread through the community as well.
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No way they just used their flashlights for a short period of time at him. Oh the humanity!
Seriously, It's really funny when snowflakes begin to complain about spamming RMB or/and CTRL. Grow up and stop getting offended by everything.
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I for one upload the good, the bad and the ugly. But massive respect to Otz. One of the reasons I am subbed to him is he is a really nice bloke in real life. GG.
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Im glad to hear someone else say it!
Edit: After reading more comments, clearly noone understands what rude behavior is. Insults in chat arent the only toxic behavior, yes flashlight clicking is a rude toxic behaviour. Its the DBD variant of tbagging, which is also prevalent. Heres the thing, survivors (and some killers but mostly survivors) dont care that Tbagging and flashlight clicking are toxic, or they will look you in the eyes and say "UgH it ISnT tOXiC gIt GuD" Literally every other game this is considered rude, Not reportable but rude.
SO WHY IS IT THAT IF A KILLER DARES TO PLAY THE GAME IT IS ALL CONSIDERED TOXIC BEHAVIOUR?!?!
Thats what bothers me more than anything else. You chased to long? DIRTY TUNNELER! You were too close to the hook after hooking someone? FILTHY CAMPER! You dare to run a perk not designated as "fair?" TRASH KILLER BABY KILLER GIT GUD U BAD
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Yeah gee, I wonder why they were able to toy with him so much? Maybe it's the full meta builds. Just maybe.
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You guys are all drama queens.
I saw no teabags, pointing or toxic plays. Just the Claudette clicked her flashlight 2-3 times. So what???
Otz lost one game, so what?
"I feel bad for Otz" lol.
Dbd community in a nutshell.
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I believe he's taken the video down
Gonna hazard a guess it's because of many of the more heated comments. I know I saw a couple when I was reading and it's no secret Otz reads his comments more than people prolly think he does.
As someone who saw the match live, If I were in Otz's position to be brutally honest, I likely would have just quit to save myself further frustration. DBD can be tilting when people aren't going out of their way to be annoying afterall.
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It's interesting to see people saying how this game wasn't toxic. You can actually watch the game from the survivors perspective cause he was streaming at the time. The claudette had every intention of being toxic and you can tell by his voice comms even though he knew he was playing Otz who is generally a really nice killer. At one point when only 1 gen was left, the survivors were complaining about how boring the killer is because he doesn't chase and was camping. But this is just another example of the cognitive dissonance between survivor mains and killers. This was a 12v4 perk game and the killer still didn't get a single kill. It just shows how much value DS/UN have just for existing. It also shows how powerful SWF is because they get OoO, Kindred, Empathy and other perks for free. Even after Hexy's tournament you would think people would finally understand the disadvantage killers have against organized survivors, but no. Still survivors want to punish tunneling or camping or nerf killers and their perks.
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Oh my,i know these guys.
They are definetely not fun to verse ^^'
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I know them as well lmao. I versed them on PS4 b4 crossplay, (got a 1k brutal, F). Pretty sure they're part of PS4 tournaments but I didn't know they ALWAYS used DS + UB + SG. Screw the crutches you have the full wheelchair at this point.
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