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(Dev Question)Why can we Opt out of Cross-play but not SWF?
A simple explanation to this would suffice. It doesn’t make sense to me why we are forced to play against SWF but we can opt out of cross-play.
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do You know how popular this game was before and after SWF? You don’t need to win every game. Not every SWF is a tournament squad.
Even then, it just comes down to variables outside your control (to a degree). What killer did you pick, what are your perks, their perks, items?, map, variation of the map, did u create enough pressure, did you hook smartly (ex. Hooking where you want them to be), did you let go of the right chases, did u down people quickly, etc.
Use it as a learning experience. You won’t get better otherwise
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This is the most entitled survivor main post I’ve ever read. So what you are saying is, you cant win unless you and your friends are on comms running OoO and trolling the killer right? smh
maybe people dont wanna be tryhards 24/7. Maybe they wanna level up there favorite killer without getting gang banged by people who have the same mentality as you do.
why dont you take your own advice and solo que for awhile. “Use it as a learning experience to get better” 😒
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Huh? Where did you get “entitled survivor main” from ANYTHING I said? This game became more popular once they put in SWF. I then provide two points to point towards playing for fun/getting better. I then list several variables that are independent of one’s skill. Followed by a positive note “you can use those games to see what you could do better,” and you flip?
a) I play every killer and survivor, 50/50
b) I’ve played in 2 SWF games in 3 years
c) chill and have some manners
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Quite an aggressive reply to someone who didn't say anything explicitly wrong. You can see plenty of absolutely garbage 4 man squads if you look through their friends list even in the post games of you crushing them. Speaking of which I would actually request that people who are partied up together just be revealed in post-game scorescreen to killers have a more accurate picture...
I've tracked over 300 games at R1 Killer and been "4 toolbox with BNP + Prove Thyself" death squaded a total of 3 times. Most of the other SWF groups when I bother to look it up (time consuming once again) are usually 2~3 mans with randoms... even the 4 mans aren't usually so truely "sweaty af" that you can just have fun anyway. R1 solo queue as Survivor isn't really that frustrating for me either - not nearly as much as the forums make it sound unplayable.
As for the original suggestion - Honestly queue times are already pretty long as it is (As a killer), I would assume it would increase SWF survivor queue times into ridiculous lengths and maybe even drive more of the playerbase away. Slippery slope toward that "not enough players to sustain this multiplayer game's queue times" which is why things like crossplay were introduced in the first place. Honestly not even sure why it's an option to turn it off anyway since it just splits the sparse playerbase even more and counteracting against the original implementation of it anyway
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Most haven't opted out of Crossplay (although I have) but very very few killers won't dodge a known SWF of any size. There are far too many survs playing with at least one friend, and disrupting that would likely cause one of two things to happen; first is too many survs stop playing completely, or second they old school it and lobby dodge until paired up like they used to before SWF. Both will kill queue times very badly.
Without having recent stats I cannot say the harm it would do exactly, but it would certainly squash the benefit of Crossplay and then some imo. Wish we had access to the numbers to know for sure.
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Why would you want the option to opt out of SWF? you do realize if the Devs implemented that into the game almost all of the killers would have that option turned off and you would be getting easy 4K’s ALL THE TIME. As someone who’s been playing this game for almost 2 years and plays both sides equally, (killer more actually) It’s good to go against a challenge once in a while or else it gets boring killing survivors that don’t know what they’re doing. If you find yourself going against tough SWF’s a lot either take a break or simply just dodge. I would say bring a mori but I’m actually against moris.
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If they added that, absolutely no killers would play with swf on
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So that DBD doesn't die.
We all know how powerful SWF is, in that it easily enables coordination, which in turn trumps literally everything killers can do and then some. Most, if not all, killers would leave SWFplay off most of the time. But the majority of players play SWF, so making it so that they don't get games would... Well, kill the revenue stream, and by extension DBD itself.
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If you allow people to choose not to go against SWF, then like 95% of killers would take that option because it means easier, somewhat 'fairer' games.
Then, nobody can play with their friends. A party game that relies heavily on groups of players then dies because nobody wants to play solo.
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What he said was not entitled you are more entitled by asking the devs to decide the community. He never said nor implied he cant win without OoO and trolling the killer with a try hard swf. Without swf this game dies becuase solo is very bad.
Maybe survivors dont want to try hard and relax in solo but no bad teammates and killers that camp and tunnel. See I can flip the words and make a straw man argument.
Solo is just a nightmare every body knows this but you sound like a new killer main you join in 2019 huh?
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I've made a poll regarding it and apparently over 50% of people will not opt out against SWF.
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Eh getting gang banged by people doesn't sound too bad man.
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Probably because when killers lose the devs want to give them an easy excuse to blame their loss on.
Actual reason is because beating a full team of solo players is nothing to be proud of, it's incredibly easy. If you lose to a full team of solo players then that's pretty embarrassing tbh.
Second reason is that not only will your Q times increase but so will the swfs. They finally have decent Q times because of crossplay so there's no need to make it worse again.
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Asking for the option of having a choice is entitled? No. Telling others they cant have a choice in a game because itll ruin YOUR FUN is the entitlement
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No your option is quite literally splitting the community because most killers are disabling it. Causing swf players longer queues killing the game because playing with friends is soooooo wrong.
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because its not comparible at all?
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The fact that we could tell in the past that we play vs swf and they hide em away should tell you enough... camping and tunneling is bad being forced to play games you cant win is okay.
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As a PS4 killer, I wouldn't opt out of playing SWF if there was an option for it. I don't even mind going against the super tryhard sweat squads, as long as they're not toxic. It's unfortunate that most of them are though... flashlight clicking, teabagging at every pallet, emoting, noise spamming when they find the hatch so you can come watch them leave. It's nice that on PS4 people can't easily change their names without spending money so I keep a little list of toxic players on my phone and I just disconnect when they end up in my lobby
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For the same reason they don't allow survivors to opt out playing against certain killers. Players should be able to use what is allowed in the game without fear of not getting a match.
Cross play is entirely different as it doesn't affect the ability to play with everything the game offers just with other platforms.
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because then no one can play swf, killer games become a lot easier, queue times get extreeeemely long because no one wants to play solo. that is why this will never happen
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So how do you balance it? Why not make a ranked and unranked mode? Why not add a SWFvsKWFs mode where its two killers vs 4 man stacks? That would balance out the game imo
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Honestly id love to opt out of it as survivor though since the amount of 2-3 mans who leave me to die because im just some rando or farm me is pretty ridiculous.
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Buff solo to swf and balance accordingly. Not every swf is a tourny squad and two killers like let's say 2 nurses is gonna destroy a 4 man that idea seems to have little to no thought provided or like doctor and huntress info and projectiles.
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Lmfao. Oh so itd be too OP like say 4man SWF running OoO and stupid ######### all game and communicating 24/7 and gen rushing instantly? Uhhuh.
sounds alot like “for Thee, but not for me” type of talk to me
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Could you ask a more obvious question?
Give that option to people and see what happens, game dies super quick or you get hours long queues, if that's fun for you.
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If there was a feature to toggle off swf then literally every killer would turn it off.
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While this comes off as an unreasonable rant it highlights the balance issue of SWF for the gazillionth time. It IS an issue if everyone here is convinced 95%+ of Killers would prefer fairer games and opt out of it.
I just hope they find a way to adress this properly, I haven´t seen a solution to it that doesn´t suck way too hard for the Survivors yet.
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Bro I'm not denying swf can be op. But adding another op thing isnt solving problems it just makes you seem childish.
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Because swf wouldn't be able to find a lobby, most swf aren't tryhards either.
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4 good solos are almost as good as a swf, the problem with solo is the matchmaking, because it only takes 1 weak link on your team to lose, so I don't think losing against solos is embarrassing.
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Because NO ONE will play agaisnt SWF and playing solo is #########
we will have an dead game because 90% of people will quit, if i am not playing with my friend i normally dont play and i have sure that 80% of survival will lost the motivation of play
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I based what I said off matchmaking lol if you had 4 good solo players then you should do decent against most killers. You can't do as well as a good swf but that's understandable.
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This assumes that all swfs will win no matter what which isn't true. I play in a swf group that pretty damn good, and out of the 10 games we play a day, we'll maybe win 2 or 3 of them if we're lucky. While I'm sure this isn't the case for every swf, what this does highlight is that just because you're going up against a swf doesn't mean you automatically lose. Being able to avoid a swf would be equivalent to survivors being able to tell the game "Don't put me in lobbies with x killer."
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Not every swf team is a sweat squad, you know that right?
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It doesnt matter whether they are a sweat squad or not. They are a team which means they can run voice comms. It's an advantage to the survivor team. Now where's the advantage for the killer to balance it out? Not every killer is sweaty as well.
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SWF just by default gives the survivors an unfair advantage and basically free perk slots.
That doesn't mean that every SWF is going to win.
It's like giving killers 7 perks. Would that result into every killer winning, suddenly?
No. It's still unfair, though.
But since I don't want this game to die, I wouldn't advice them to add this feature.
You know what I would like?
A simple bandage-fix.
Gift killers with a BP multiplier that go against SWF.
Are you going against 2 SWF + 1 Random + 1 Random? +25% BP multiplier.
Are you going against 2 SWF + 2 SWF? +50% BP multiplier.
Are you going against 3 SWF + 1 Random? +75% BP multiplier.
Are you going against a 4 SWF squad? +100% BP multiplier.
This wouldn't make the game more balanced. But I know a lot of killer mains that wouldn't dodge these lobbies then.
And this game is too much of a grind, anyways. (Especially for survivors, but in this certain case we need a way to make it more lucrative for killers).
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so when will survivors get the option to turn off certain killers??? trappers all around folks!!!
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The entitlement of the killers on this forum post is insane.
Both very good points and these entitled people come and slander you guys for no reason. These kids are too childish and think fighting fire with fire will work.
azame and Euphoric: You don't need to win every game and not every swf is a tourney swf.
Entitled killer mains: YOu EnTiTLed SuRVivor MaiNs.
Yall are entitled to the 4k, grow up
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those are the main guys I know there is others.
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I thought this was an idea to opt out swf for solo que survivors, but it's just another killer one
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What exactly do you consider a win? If all 4 escape? IF 3 escape? 2k 2e? Because if 2k 2e is a win, your team is not good at all, most of my solo matches end this way.
Also, while it is true that not every swf is a sweat squad, enough of them are. If something is unbalanced, it can be ignored as long as it doesn´t come up too often? Then ebony mori is fine, i encounter less killer hooktunneling with a mori of the first hook then i encounter ######### swfs, and i play solo survivor most of the time.
Frequenzy has no part in the question of balance.
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This. I am so sick of these trolls killing the game. It’s getting to the point, between exploits, and SWF gangbangs that I feel like I’m just being toyed with.
The followers on my stream even admit that the game just isn’t what a game is supposed to be: fun.
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Let’s look at this for example. All 4 are cross, most likely PC, and a discord
Next, look at the only 20 other than my killer. Look at the levels of these guys. Not the rank, the levels.
All 4 have 4 perk slots, to my 2. 3 of the 4 have at least one 3rd level perk.
Why are they ranked 13-20? Because they are trash players who don’t care about rank, they just want to PWN the killer and feel good about something in their pathetic lives.
And then there are the rest of us, who want to have fun playing a game. I guess your game isn’t worth spending my followers money on.
I’ll let them know to buy another game.
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I want to point out verbiage here.
“95% of Killers would prefer fairer games”
Proving and making the point that SWF just isn’t fair.
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I mean you seem pretty new to the game and already ready to jump ship but I do want to point out in this image that the three 13~15 players may be tanking their rank intentionally to pick on new killers like you said. It's the "smurfing" thing you see in other games where people just make new accounts to get their jollies off in that way (League of Legends, Dota, Counterstrike, Valorant, etc.). Another problem with DbD that I've recently discovered is that Family Sharing allows bogus steam accounts to run the game without fear of being VAC banned - probably what all the hackers and smurfs are abusing too.
The "ranking" system doesn't let people downgrade from 16~20 at all so that 4th player is most likely a legitimate new player (maybe a killer player) who dumped his bloodpoints into a survivor to play with his friends or even alone since we can't tell just from this scorescreen unless you had a VOD of your stream to share with us.
Honestly though the learning curve for survivor is much softer than the killer's side just because its a 4v1 asymmetrical game by design, there's a reason most popular dbd streamers play killer as the gameplay is much more dynamic from their FOV compared to what most survivors end up having to do.
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Isn't it quite telling if most people respond with: "This shouldn't be added, because majority of killers would opt out?"
Something has to be wrong, if lots of people dislike it.
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Don't worry. If the dev's ever get mmr to work take some solace in the fact that swf will face nothing but spirit and nurse and you will get some more chill survivors on the other killers.
Well... it will be that way until the devs gut spirit and nurse because FUN trumps balance.
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Because Devs turn a blind eye to SWF. How many SWF related posts do you see them responding to, with any meat to the reply? Almost zero. So long as they pretend SWF doesn't exist, they don't have to balance it.
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