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Second game of the day: DS'd and Teabagged
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No problem.
I appreciate your honesty.
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If a killer is going to tunnel someone, it's usually because that person is the weakest looper and they see an easy opportunity to remove them from the game. Even weak loopers can do gens, but they can't waste time in the chase. Might as well take a little bit of time to permanently remove their ability to do gens.
That's obviously not every time you get tunneled. Sometimes it's the opposite even, where you run the killer for three gens and they get so fed up with your ######### that they decide they want you dead. Sometimes it's just your teammates saving right in front of the killer without BT.
Still, if you're getting repeatedly tunneled match after match and usually de-pipping, there's probably something you could be doing to avoid that situation. That's why it sounds like you're a bit boosted (or, if you play in SWF, that your squad mates are better than you). I haven't seen you play and I'm not a god at the game myself. You could also just be exaggerating your results. I'm just going off what's in your post, though.
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Get good and stop tunneling
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Solo survivor, never queued with anyone, consistently rank 1-2.
You will de-pip if you do not finish at least one gen and contribute to altruistic actions. For example, I've looped a Blight for 5 gens, downed by NOED (people don't cleanse in solo), died on first hook, and still de-pip.
Can't pip if you're camped on a hook and didn't get enough altruistic and objective points prior.
Can't pip if you're morid off hook.
Can't pip if you're body-blocked by an offended killer and die to EG. (Just happened the other day, recorded as well. One gen done, he never hooked anyone, was mad I was trying to make him walk up stairs on Hawkins to get me in the hidy-hole tube so he wouldn't let me out.)
Killers don't tunnel to remove the "weakest", they tunnel because it makes the game easy mode unless you have the privilege of three other survivors body blocking and bringing borrowed time. There's countless bullshit reasons they do it. I've witnessed countless high rank, high hour survivors camped and tunneled out of a game within the first 7 minutes just because the killer wanted to. It has never been removing the weak link. It's just being an #########.
The only thing you have to defend yourself from it is a 5-second stun and MAYBE borrowed time. You don't have God loops next to hooks to run into.
My original post was describing the shenanigans I deal with as a solo survivor every time I play DBD, while killers have the audacity to cry about an occasional stun and t-bagging as if it's game ruining.
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Beginning of the day: "Hi World! I'm feeling so good. Let's have some fun, friendly, non-toxic games as Killer in DBD."
*plays 2 games*
Narrator: "After that... he played 24 more games... because that's the amount of Moris he had sitting around."
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I don't really think it's worth entertaining them with any further replies, particularly after reading their post history.
Go ahead, the results may (not) surprise you - It's extremely cringy, rude at times, and very biased.
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best advice is to quickly eliminate players and work around with the rank you are playing at. If you are experiencing players that have Decisive strike. Keep a mental note to yourself to down a survivor, hook them and once they get off. Hit them again if they are NOT within your terror radius, leave them ON the ground and find their other team members to HOOK as well! DS promotes slugging and sometimes that is what it takes. However, if you keep trying to slug the other team. They can figure it out and plan to avoid this by playing smart and you will have NOBODY hooked. Next thing you know. EVERYONE has completed all the generators on the map!
Camping doesn't always work the best. They could be running mettle or Borrowed time. I usually bring NOED as an "insurance card" and use that! Nobody likes to be camped and even IF the survivor is acting SCUMMY. Face camping can backfire and then before you know it. 4 survivors are BAGGING infront of you at the exit gate! They leave and laugh at you!. heh.
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so.. here is the thing. we have to define "toxic". in the world of dead by daylight, toxic usually means a killer is camping, tunneling, slugging. the truth is, these 3 things, are not toxic. even the Devs agree that this is a strategy. there is no toxic, disrespectful, hurtful, causing some sort of emotional pain, nothing.
if you are a killer, and a survivor is on deathook, and another survivor whose never been hooked yet, comes to "save" the deathhook survivor and offers himself for the hook, the killer is SUPPOSE to go after the survivor who is deathhook. this is simply what a killer should do. if the killer goes after the fresh survivor, than this is stupidity. the problem is the survivors view this as some kind of toxic, disrespectful, vicious, unforgivable act and come to forums and shame the killer for doing such a "horrible act".
survivors do this by gaining the moral high horse and shaming the killer for being disrespectful, toxic, unsportsmanship like. survivors try to control how a killer should play the game. than the killer is suppose to play this game with some kind of honor code that ONLY the killer should follow. this is the problem.
now if you are defining toxic gamers as someone who sends messages to the other player with mean words, and be disrespectful, and just flat out trolling on other players. than yea, than ppl's feelings are going to be hurt and i totally agree with you.
when i play dead by daylight, i get toxic messages from toxic players. but 99% of the time, these types of messages comes from other survivors, and not the killer. even on PC, the killer usually doesnt engage in end game chat. it's always the survivors who got something to say whether they win or lose. the toxicity comes from SURVIVORS, not the killers. but they spin this and pin the blame on the killer. im simply redirecting the finger to where it should actually be pointed to.
remember, killer letting a survivor escape on purpose, is the equivalent to a survivor offering himself to the hook at the end game. survivors probably appreciate being let go and sends a thank you message to the killer which is totally cool. but that same survivor would never give himself up to the killer to be sacrificed when u know ur team totally bullied the killer and everyone is at the gate teabagging the killer. 90% of the games, the survivors wait at the gate to flash, teabag, point fingers, etc, at the killer, some even sends messages to cream the killer in his face. this is a one sided mentality, and again, it is the SURVIVORS who are commiting these acts, not the killer.
a lot of survivors think they are the good guys and the killer is the big bad boogeyman. but the reality is, the survivors are the aggressors, and the killer is the victim.
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"What I'm talking about are the games where Killers don't even give you a chance to play. They deny hook trades and chase you rather than the saving party until your dead 3 minutes into a game you waited 10 minutes to play."
couple things here...
- a killer is suppose to do what u described in your scenario. anything else is just stupidity. or u just want to let them go for whatever reason.
- killer shaming and accusations is not helping the 10 min wait time. u should actually thank the killer for playing the most hated role. next time a killer does that, just thank the killer for playing that role. ive done it before. it feels amazing. and the killer appreciates that i had good sportsmanship compared to other survivors who accuse him of a no skill camper. some of them switch to survivor role and play games w me. if you stop hating on the killers, more ppl will play killers, and u wont have 10 min. my wife plays DBD, and she hates playing killer becuz of the hordes of toxic messages she gets from survivors. so she just plays survivor and adds onto the 10 min wait time.
- u should change ur mentality about this game. this is not a fair game. this is a 4vs1 game. u could say that it's a fair game due to other natures of the game. but its irrevelant. u should try to think that when u play as a survivor, u and 3 other ppl are the agressive tresspassers who came to harrass 1 person by touching his generators and hitting him w pallets, flashlighting his face, looping him and than showing him ur butt becuz u feel superior and u want to make sure u let him know that he sucks. if u could think like this, than u would be a lot better off playing DBD. but if u are offended that the killer killed u, and the way he did it was thru tunneling, than u should pick another game to play.
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I don't know what else to tell you other than you are making massive assumptions about my thoughts and playstyle, which is frustrating. Rather than try to understand where I'm coming from, you're giving me a 'Cognitive To-Do' list that you're suggesting I complete or this game's not for me. How is that helpful?
So you may be shocked to hear that I'm one of the nicest survivors to encounter in game- because if I have nothing nice to say, I say NOTHING at all. That includes t-bagging, flashlight clicking, etc. But frequently I DO message the Killer praise or encouragement even after...wait for it....even AFTER THEY KILL ME. So I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea I hate on Killers?
And why do I do this? Because I HAVE played Killer, and I know first hand how irritating it can be dealing with toxic/rude survivors. I usually solo q but when I SWF, it's with the Killers I've befriended WHILE playing survivor.
So I'm politely telling you that it's not for you to decide whether or not I should play this game. That would be judgemental on your part, and despite this thread being in "Discussion", only each player can decide for themselves if they want to keep playing. Stop trying to run players off.
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to my understanding, u are frustrated becuz killers camp, slug, tunnel u. u think that the killer should go after another survivor if u have just beeen unhooked. based on ur previous comments, this is ur main frustration.
"Rather than try to understand where I'm coming from"
you should really re-read what i said, and try to understand the point im trying to make, and try to understand where the killer's perspective is coming from other than just saying that u have played killer.
"So you may be shocked to hear that I'm one of the nicest survivors to encounter in game"
im pretty sure u will be shocked to hear that im probably a nicer survivor than u are. u seem to be frustrated that killers play in a certain way, i dont. killers can do whatever they do, and i will not be offended or come to the forums to guilt trip killers. i regularly offer myself for the hook at end game if the killer didnt get any kills. but when i play killer, i have NEVER found a survivor who offered himself to be nice to me. they teabag me and let me know that i suck. ive seen it happen a few times when i was watching some streams of other killers.
"So I'm politely telling you that it's not for you to decide whether or not I should play this game."
im not telling u to not play the game. im saying if u are the type of person to be offended becuz killer killed u, u should pick another game. it is simply a suggestion. im not telling u to play or not play.
maybe u should stop trying to indirectly/unintentionally force a certain style on killers becuz u think its unfair. stop trying to drive off killers and adding onto that annoying 10 min survivor wait time.
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As a survivor main, when the Killer is being fair (no camp, no tunnel) and outsmarts me, I have absolutely nothing to complaint. I say good game and praise their gameplay (I've gotten hate for this all the same from entitled survivors). If the killer plays bad, I simply don't say anything or make some suggestions "Don't camp, it helps no one and neither you nor us make points :("
If the Killer decides to let us farm points for any reason, I do as much as I can to give them points too, let them kick gens, break pallets, open the doors and such at the door I let them decide if they want to kill me or not... sometimes the killer just downs me and carries me to the exit so I assume they want me to go. If they still hook me to get 4k, I still thank them for letting me play and make points.
I share your sentiment too. I play to have fun and enjoy the game. I understand and find some stuff of it frustrating, but it happens and I still try to make the best out of the situation and just entertain myself. This obsession people have with it, winning, making people miserable, and keeping ranks is very frightening.
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i see so many killers complain about DS and yall know you can counter it right? Stop tunneling the same person and u wont get DS'd Stop slugging and you wont have to worry about unbreakable stop camping hooks and you wont have to worry about BT its that simple the problem with you killers is you wanna play as toxic as possible but at the same time you want survivors to have no perks to help them so u can get easier kills while playing the easiest role in the game and yes I play killer I do not tunnel/camp its not fun for either side why tf do I wanna stand at a hook staring at 1 person thats boring if you as a killer say its fun your true intent on playing this game is to ruin others enjoyment aka you are toxic in and out of game plain and simple make w/e excuse you want to try and justify your reasoning for your playstyle but at the end of the day you're just toxic end of story
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This is very narrow minded.
There's 4 problems:
1) DS hits people who aren't tunneling just because they get downs quickly
2) Survivors abuse DS and BT to affect people who aren't tunneling or camping.
3) Because of the game design, tunneling 1-2 people out the game asap is optimal, so now were also punishing people for playing the role correctly in terms of DS. The game design needs to be addressed. Its not the players, its the game.
4) One DS in a match is fine, its meta perk stacking that causes an issue.
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tunneling 1-2 ppl asap out of a game is optimal? explain then how I can 4k every game without tunneling and just go around gen patrolling 3 hooks per person perk loadout ruin-discord-surval-thana if you have to tunnel 1-2 ppl per game to even remotely get 4k you are just bad and have absolutely no clue how to apply pressure on 4 survivors and win every killer in this game literally complains about everything a survivor does "oh they abuse ds please nerf" oh the abuse borrowed time I cant instantly down the person right off hook please nerf" "oh unbreakable is so op I cant slug people cause they can get back up by themself please nerf" literally easiest role in the game and all you guys do is complain cause you want killing to be even more brain dead than it is and for you Bubba mains out there who I'm sure complains alot about survivors I played him for the first time yesterday had 3k before 1 gen was done without tunneling/camping he's just that easy to play
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But u sound like a entitled survivor than a 4k killer. Who the hell complains about being able to do 4k?
I mean I can complain about escaping too many times as a survivor.
Most of the complaints I read come from survivors. It's only recently w all the killer nerfs that ppl started to complain about killers being nerfed.
The survey results from what? April? Showed that enormous amount of ppl choose not to play killer becuz its too stressful. Playing survivor is so much easier.
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No bro you got it all wrong, You play survivor so you must be toxic, IF you play survivor and aren't toxic, you a liar /s.
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SHHHH! It's supposed to be a secret, bro!
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