Is tome five going to be another disappointment?
After the pain ache of this battlepass with the stuff of the stupid "this challenge could take you up to 10 matches to complete but youll only be rewarded 3 shards" and having seen the supposed new skins of the next rift im sorry to say this but after buying every pass i will not be buying this one.
I dont know what behaviours problem is with the rifts but they treat it as this big money making scheme, yet has it never occured maybe they'll make more if they actually made people want to buy it in the first place by listening to us and adding what we've been asking for from the get go?
Sorry for this tiny rant i just had to get it off..
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The only thing I could find on the upcoming rift cosmetics - if you got some additional sneak peek at the upcoming rift then please share as I'm curious what you saw beyond this that set you off
The community contest winner Legion skin predicted for something like October 21st?
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Tbh its just these cosmetics, they're a huge disappointment and that the legion cosmetic looks better than the cosmetics made by the design team, im just annoyed that after spending an entire night trying my hardest to get through the level 4 challenges im still stuck in exactly the same spot as the challenges are soo damn long yet basically dont help me at all trying to get to tier up, i think after this battlepass im just gonna have a long break from the game and hope by time i come back they would have solved some or atleast one problem or bug
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I think they changed it to be more grindy because of the survey they had some months back. People were pissed about doing challenges that took some crazy amount of tries to complete so they made it easier, but the tradeoff is that you need to play a certain amount to finish it.
I know I voted that way since I like grinding ######### out anyway, so as far as them not listening.. I dunno about that.
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I mean, Grind Challenges are done about multiple games. Thinking you can do them in one night is utopian. If you dont have the time to play on a regular basis, thats fine, but it should be known that some elements of games are not meant for everyone.
When it comes to the Challenges, I dont think they are a problem. I dont think they ever were a problem, I even liked the harder challenges of the first Tome, more than the grinding Challenges. The latter one get done while I am playing, so I dont care that much about them, but the harder Challenges of Tome 1 actually required some effort.
And I agree to @steezo_de that the Devs are listening to their community on that one. There were a lot of complaints that the challenges were too difficult to do, so they got easier, but take more time. Because in the end, the goal should not be that the Tome Levels are finished in 2 Days and then there is almost 2 weeks/3 weeks of waiting for the next Levels.
Regarding the lower amount of Rift Fragments - I guess for BHVR, too many people completed the Rift. This is fine, since in the end, they want to make money with it.
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Nea’s hair is SO cute!
I Love her new outfit❣️
...also, I think it’s against forum rules to post leaked images.
Hillbilly is hilarious there😄... he may have the most interesting personality, fashion-wise, of all the killers.
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This last Rift has really worn me out. It will probably be the first one I don't finish. It's like you said, the rewards aren't super enticing and the challenges are mediocre AND it takes forever to tier up.
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For the rift itself.... YES
For the event... Lord I hope not
Also maybe we get 2xBP soon too
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But...they didn't make it easier; some challenges literally take a minimum of 5 games to complete even if you don't mess up and award only 3 fragments. They should all reward 5.
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I agree the progress seems super slow.
I am currently tier 66 and I have completed every challenge.
Which means I need to play about 40 games over this weekend if I want to get to 70 before it closes.
However, I dont expect all rewards to be great. It must be hard designing so many cosmetics all the time.
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I mean its your opinion right? bit hard to predict if its going ti be dissapointing for you, but the chances are high considering you made this thread in the first place.
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I think the curent rift was even less grindy than before.
- Level 4 contained easier challenges (1x 8 attempts, 1x 7, 4x 4 or 5 and the rest 2 or 1 attempts) compared to level 3 for example there was a challenge I needed 11 attempts
- The average they request is 140 hours in total. I needed 138 hours to finish the rift and had 6 full tiers left to collect as rewards from challenges and epilogue
There is always so much complain about the rift and the grind every tome, and for 3 tomes now I take stats how much time and attempts I need and if it fits to their 2h/day requirement. And it does everytime. I start to think that people complaining simply just want more stuff for free but not invest the time for it.
I can totally understand and agree to the design of several challenges, like basement hooks or 4k or whatever, that simply cause bad playstyle in many cases. There are better challenges that motivate to test builds to get the challenge done quicker for example. But regarding the time needed, the attempts needed to finish challenges and the rift, I simply have to disagree and say that the tomes are perfectly balanced.
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They treat the rift as a big money making scheme because...it is one. Once every 3 months they can take a couple of skins that they've already made, perhaps take existing skins and spend 10 minutes recolouring them, and charge money for it. It's genius, all the cool kids are doing it so it was only a matter of time.
Oh, are we gonna make the pass just a tiny bit more Grindy each time? Yes we are. Are we gonna shove it in your face after every single match and in the lobby and completely block a portion of the screen to tell you you've tiered up, even if you didn't buy the rift and didn't unlock anything? Absolutely!
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The level 70 rewards should really be better. A full outfit or something. Heck the tome 3 one was so trash I just gave up middway through. 2 level 70 fengs in a row and one was a recolor of an old as hell outfit. THe new meg one is nice I suppose.
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No, the rift now is much more grindy than even the first.
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Any explanation? I even gave numbers to explain the opposite.
Want more detail?
- Tome 3 level 2 took 64 attempts, tome 4 level 2 took 44 attempts
- Tome 3 level 3 took me 67 attempts, Tome 4 level 3 took me 59 attempts
- Tome 4 level 4 took 58 attempts (dont have tome 3 level 4 anymore but I think a level 4 needing less attempts than a level 3 or 2 of a previous tome is example enough)
Also regarding the overall time it got better. Dont have the actual number anymore but for tome 3 I needed above 140 hours (under 150) and needed all challenges. In tome 4, 138 hours to tier 70 and 6 tiers still open is also noticeably better than that.
I can link you the screenshots as well, I did a lot on stats for that because everyone was complaining that the 2h/day is unrealistic, and for me it fits pretty exactly
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Tome 4 was more grindy than tome 2 or 3 because you received way less fragments from challenges. Here's a post where someone did out the math for how many fragments you received from challenges in the tomes. While it took you more attempts to complete challenges in tome 3 than tome 4 you were getting a significant amount more fragments from completing those challenges that went towards the completing the rift. 57 fragments difference between tomes 3 and 4 is a big difference in number of games needed to play to make up the difference.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/185325/rift-progress-nerfed-again/p1
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Is that Doctor Robotnik? 😂
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The Rift is there to keep the game populated. The more grind it is, the more people will constantly play - easy as that. You get some more or less exclusive assets and some profan lore for it. Up to you to decide, if it's worth your time.
The direct monetarization is probably not even the focus. Otherwise they wouldn't make it refundable, which is another trigger to keep you grinding.
But without it, the size of the player base might be in question sooner or later (and with it the overall cashflow for skins and DLC) and you can't blame a company trying to keep their product alive, which is also in your interest if you want to continue playing. We all know that a large and active player base is most crucial for multiplayer games.
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Ok that is an argument. But I repeat that 2h/day was enough to finish the rift for me with 6 tiers of rewards left open. So the targeted amount of time needed to complete is still the same (and I said that I needed like 10h more for tome 3). Compared to the older tomes, you need the same time, but work less time on challenges while playing. Which is not really a grind problem. The older tomes rather had the problem that you could struggle to finish the challenges within 140 hours, which took you either longer to compensate by playtime or simply spend more time to finish the challenges.
Btw the linked post is a bit faulty. I checked some and there are at least 2 levels of tome 3 that had 1 master challenge less than stated. So at least 10 fragments less of a difference to tome 4
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This isn't about how grindy the challenges are; it's how grindy it is to actually get tier 70. Even the first tome, I had tier 70 by the time I finished the challenges. Tome 3 I did barely 2/3 of the challenges and completed it. I've played much more for this current tome AND completed all challenges. In completing all, I was at 63.
I actually stated this all previously, btw. And the reason why this is so bad is that we get so few fragments for the challenges; a challenge that takes 5 freaking games minimum gives 3 fragments when you need 10 to get a tier? Hell no, they're laughing at us with this.
(Also for numbers' sake, that means I needed 70 more games to get to tier 70 AFTER completing ALL challenges, and I'd been playing games in between each tome chapter after completing them all too. Quite a bit, in fact. It's not at all reasonable)
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I agree completely 😭
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funny you say that because the grindy part of this game what put people off(new player anyways)
with the bloodweb now the rift it way to grindy
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The challenges for me were made easier. They just take time to do. I'd rather do mundane tasks over a period of an hour or two than do an all-or-nothing challenge that can take all night or longer (depending on RNG and whatnot). That actually happened to me too and that's why when the survey came out asking what I preferred, I voted the way I did.. and apparently others felt the same way because BHVR changed it. I frankly don't care how many fragments they give. I'm talking about finishing the challenge at a "calculable" pace, not the reward.
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nice of you to assume that there was one that didn't dissapoint.
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Well, the argumentation now contradicts a bit...
As I said: get tier 70 takes ALSO less time (at least for me: 138h compared to ~150h)
Regarding tome 1: That tome gave you even less rift fragments, 340 while tome 4 gives you 348
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Yet for most people, myself included, it's taken much more time. I'm only at 69 now and I've played much more during this tome than I did during 2 and 3, both of which I completed with plenty of time to spare.
Clearly you've underestimated how much time it's taken you to do it; it's physically impossible to have done it on 2 hours a day this time around. The previous, it was viable, but this one it simply isn't.
Tome 1 was the only other rift that I had to grind an excessive amount, so it's not surprising that overall there was less than an entire tier difference in rift fragment rewards.
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David, Nea, and Hillbilly are just Gross and Ugly here; and not even in a good way; they just look Stupid
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I don't play for the pass, I stopped buying after the first one. The lore is the only reason I bother along with bloodpoints. I do wish you could turn off the annoying as hell tier up pop up.
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I have noted every hour i spent on the challenges and every hour I spent after the challenges were done to just grind XP. There is no underestimate. Actually this tome fits perfectly to the 2h formula they initially posted, as you get almost exact half the fragments from challenges and half the fragments from playtime (348/700)
And nice you ignore the info that tome 1 and tome 4 are almost identical, while saying previously that you finished tier 70 by the time you finished the challenges. I'm wondering who is underestimating something. I took notes, I would guess you evaluate by your subjective impression you got from the rift
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To me its just frustrating how if u don't have every dlc u can't complete the rift as fast/easily. Last rift i got to tier 68 with 2 days remaining i grinded as hard as i could but the time wasn't enough since i couldn't do Kate's challenges cuz i don't have the curtain call dlc. By far the best rift was the 1 with spirit and jane in it, the cosmetics were actually cool and the lore was amazing, after that its all just been crap, i mean what even was Kate's lore she went into a cave and left oh boy. And seeing these new cosmetics yikes... i'll just play for the blight skins and thats it
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Your question implies that they have all been disappointing. I havent been disappointed. I think dbd is fun.
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Its BHVR? What do you expect
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Again, I have played much more than 2 hours a day for this tome, which is much more than I did for tome 3, on which I STILL have a third of the challenges to do. It's not hard to comprehend.
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It is easy to comprehend, I'm just wondering how this big difference can occur, when the challenges grant less fragments, when I had half of level 4 challenges still open when I reached tier 70 and when I took exact notes on my playtime (btw including queue times and spend BP etc).
So I was just guessing that your time track is not as accurate as mine
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My only hope is wait for see new a beautiful skins for kate spirit nurse.
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you can complete it without doing a single challenge by gaining one rift level per day which is like 10-12 matches which can be done in 2-3 hour play sessions and if you don't have enough time to dedicate to the rift to complete it don't buy.
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No when it comes to doing the rifts ive always made a clear calculation for the rift but i actually found the first rift easier than this one by a long shot, ive found every tome easier than this one and a lot less tedious, but maybe its just that with my ancient xbox im just heavily disadvantaged against pc players which ends up costing my fun factor in the game but eh, still not gonna buy the next rift as im just seeing no point in it especially if the best reward is just going to be a stupid charm again.
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I've bought them all to this point and will not be buying the next one if they don't start upping the ante. They need to stop with the trinkets and replace them with shards or something else that's actually useful to the game.
I play quite a few "battlepass" oriented games like COD and sadly DBD pales in comparison to the others.
Personally I felt this one was the worst so far.
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