Pleeeaaasse Buff Leather Face and Amanda next!
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weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfed
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Oh, you must be new or (No offense) in low ranks! I understand where you are coming from since a lot of Leather Faces camp at lower ranks but Leather Face is really weak at high ranks! He doesn't have much going for him during a chase, I don't play Leather Face but I could tag my friend @IronWolf115 and he can tell you what exactly is wrong with Leather Face in detail!scerckan said:weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfed1 -
Not every every killer needs to be top tier8
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Ooo, Déjà vu! Yeah, sucks that they are scared to make a strong killer! The Game should be renamed to "Bully by Daylight" since that's the direction it looks like they are going with the killers!fcc2014 said:Not every every killer needs to be top tier
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@scerckan said:
weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfedLeatherface is one of the weakest killers in the game. He can be looped and genrushed very easily and he's bright yellow. If you let him get close enough to you to the point where he can one-shot you at the start of the chase, than, no offence, you need to improve your game play.
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@Nickenzie said:
fcc2014 said:Not every every killer needs to be top tier
Ooo, Déjà vu! Yeah, sucks that they said that sadly!
But it doesn't make any sense, all Killers should be viable and that makes them top tier because otherwise why have them to begin with ? Madness !
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Yes, Leather Face gets destroyed by pallets for sure! I made a few suggestions to @IronWolf115 to his private inbox and he ended up making a thread about it but I'm not sure if it's balanced tho.ShrimpTwiggs said:@scerckan said:
weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfedLeatherface is one of the weakest killers in the game. He can be looped and genrushed very easily and he's bright yellow. If you let him get close enough to you to the point where he can one-shot you at the start of the chase, than you need to improve your game play.
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Yes the typical response because someones favorite killer isn't top tier.
You do realize that Hag is one of the top 2-3 killers at rank 1-5 right? There's also been a lot of really good Trappers, Myer's and huntresses at rank 1-5. There's even been some Wraiths and Freddy's.
Before the reset most of my matches at 1-2 were actually Hag's, Wraiths, Freddy's, with Billy/Nurse rounding it off. With Hags being the biggest played killer since her rework she's really good.
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When Leatheface saws through a pallet he should break it and keep going. He should also receive a small base speed increase to his saw. Add on wise there are to semi viable builds 1) Speed + Carb 2) Carb + Primer. The 1st is much funner to play imo since the speed can trick survivors.
Amandas RNG is crap. Make it so survivors need two keys from boxes to escape RBT, this would diminish the RNG abit. Could reduce puzzle search time to help balance it. Her crouch becomes useful in chases with combat straps + video tape. If her base crouch speed etc. was buffed she would have a tool to help with chases. This would also increase her Deviousness scoring.
Both killers would benefit in chases from these changes which is all that really matters.
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I can vouch, I play Freddy and huntress at rank one and see alot of myres there when I play survivor.powerbats said:Yes the typical response because someones favorite killer isn't top tier.
You do realize that Hag is one of the top 2-3 killers at rank 1-5 right? There's also been a lot of really good Trappers, Myer's and huntresses at rank 1-5. There's even been some Wraiths and Freddy's.
Before the reset most of my matches at 1-2 were actually Hag's, Wraiths, Freddy's, with Billy/Nurse rounding it off. With Hags being the biggest played killer since her rework she's really good.
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Leatherface is plain bad, same with Pig, both are horrible
They won't ever be used in tournament, and you'll only see Nurse/ Billy/ possibly Hag / Claudette at Tourney/ High ranked
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@scerckan said:
weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfedI am here to answer the call.
So then, where are LF issues? Lets start by comparing him to billy, another insta down character.
Billy has great mobility, a reliable insta down attack and decent mindgame potential. On top of that he shares the same base stats as LF ( Movement speed, Terror Radius etc. )Leatherface on the other hand had NO mobility whatsoever, all he can do is run at survivors and hope he gets them. LF insta down attack is extremely unreliable because he needs to charge a meter up and then release it and you can release it too early which cancels the chainsaw, he moves slower while he is revving the saw up which means he loses distance on the survivors, he has a much higher risk of bumping into objects than Billy AND on top of that if he does, he is punished FAR more severely than Billy. Finally LF has no mindgame potential around loops because of the nature of his chainsaw slowing him down.
Billy should have the mobility advantage, no question, but LF should be a much more reliable punisher with his saw up close as a reward for having to chase the survivors down with no mobility options.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that LF add-ons are abysmal compared to Billy so that needs to be reworked too.
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Pig in crouch really needs better vision. I cant see a thing on maps like the swamp while crouching.
Also her perks..... I don't use any of them. Make your choice sounds cool but ingame I never managed to bump into an exposed one.
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@Dudddd said:
She really needs a buff , her traps are literally rng , they need to make her stealth much more terrifying like t1 myers if your running spine chill, premonition you can detect her easy .If you crouch behind objects out of survivors line of sight you can get up pretty close to them
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I faced more Trappers, Wraiths and Pigs at rank 1 than Nurse or Hillbilly. A lot of high ranks use mid or low tier killers. There are some awesome Trappers at Rank 1 who know where to set unexpected traps and get a 3-4k easily.Acromio said:@fcc2014 said:
Not every every killer needs to be top tierHave fun versing Nurses and Billies 24/7.
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leather face will always be trash because face campers suck0
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Yeah but it's not consistent tho! For example, Leather Face can use Very Rare add-ons and 4k but he won't be able to keep using those add-ons since eventually you'll run out! There is a lot if variables you'll need to consider for a killer to 4k and Leather Face has too many!Fengminni said:
I faced more Trappers, Wraiths and Pigs at rank 1 than Nurse or Hillbilly. A lot of high ranks use mid or low tier killers. There are some awesome Trappers at Rank 1 who know where to set unexpected traps and get a 3-4k easily.Acromio said:@fcc2014 said:
Not every every killer needs to be top tierHave fun versing Nurses and Billies 24/7.
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These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?3
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@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
I've prob got some video of killers getting 4k as both I just have to go through them.
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That's the key word, "Some". It's really difficult to do well with some killers but overall... I don't want them to be OP but buff them to Billy's level.powerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
I've prob got some video of killers getting 4k as both I just have to go through them.
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@Nickenzie said:
powerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:
These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
I've prob got some video of killers getting 4k as both I just have to go through them.
That's the key word, "Some". It's really difficult to do well with some killers but overall... I don't want them to be OP but buff them to Billy's level.
Bubba on Billy's level would be more op than Nurse although he does need some buffs.
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He needs some simple things such as not getting interrupted when chainsawing a pallet. Bubba is extremely weak to pallets which is kind ironic since he's supposed to be a close range punisher!powerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
powerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:
These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
I've prob got some video of killers getting 4k as both I just have to go through them.
That's the key word, "Some". It's really difficult to do well with some killers but overall... I don't want them to be OP but buff them to Billy's level.
Bubba on Billy's level would be more op than Nurse although he does need some buffs.
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@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
You killer mains whine about everything "uh, DS is so OP, SB is OP, eveything is so OP, the game is surv sided, buff this killer, nerf survivors" I saw a lot of pigs and Leatherfaces (as me) getttin' 4K, stop being a crying baby killer and improve your skills or just don't play the game
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Oh okay then when we rank 5-1 and then still have the rest of the month to go before rank reset again then let's all stop playing every other killer that's not nurse, Billy and huntress... maybe a mix of hag but honestly the same mix of killers is boring AF and the whole "not every killer needs to be too tier" is crap... how does the killer side have fun? By competing with the survivors... survivors have fun by competing with the killer (mainly by being chased.. it's the most fun for the survivors atm unless being tunneled off hook) unfortunately theres only 3 true killer that can actually compete against competent survivors.... so why would we wanna take in a killer that won't 1.) Reward the player 2.) Is not able to compete.... because that's what we wanna do is to compete, we dont want 4k everytime because that's boring and would cause me to stop playing...fcc2014 said:Not every every killer needs to be top tier2 -
Yeah, I'm so terrible at playing killer! I get 0 sacrifices every game and I'm so bad that I can't even down a survivor...AdánAR said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
You killer mains whine about everything "uh, DS is so OP, SB is OP, eveything is so OP, the game is surv sided, buff this killer, nerf survivors" I saw a lot of pigs and Leatherfaces (as me) getttin' 4K, stop being a crying baby killer and improve your skills or just don't play the game
I'm also bad with survivor too, I'm actually so bad that I start the trial on the hook and get automatically sacrificed...
Yeah, every killer main is just bad... They don't know nothing about Dead by Daylight and how badly the game is balanced.4 -
Yes and thank you for telling me that this is your alternative account fog traveler!Hellbilly said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:
These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
You killer mains whine about everything "uh, DS is so OP, SB is OP, eveything is so OP, the game is surv sided, buff this killer, nerf survivors" I saw a lot of pigs and Leatherfaces (as me) getttin' 4K, stop being a crying baby killer and improve your skills or just don't play the game
Yeah, I'm so terrible at playing killer! I get 0 sacrifices every game and I'm so bad that I can't even down a survivor...
I'm also bad with survivor too, I'm actually so bad that I start the trial on the hook and get automatically sacrificed...
Yeah, every killer main is just bad... They don't know nothing about Dead by Daylight and how badly the game is balanced.
Aren't you that guy who keeps making terrible threads with terrible ideas? Like that time where you wanted the Reverse Bear traps to have a 5 minute timer.
Also, prestiging doesn't really mean anything in terms of skill because you can just play another Killer and dump points into whoever to prestige.
Thanks for confirming you're a console plebian too.
Just reported you for harassment since on every SINGLE thread that you know that OP is me, you always bring that up and shame me! Oh, hey @Peanits... can you close this thread please? 1 -
@Nickenzie said:
Acromio said:@fcc2014 said:
Not every every killer needs to be top tier
Have fun versing Nurses and Billies 24/7.
He's not saying that killers shouldn't be viable, @fcc2014 is quoting what the developers said!
The devs are not always correct in their words, back when killers were waaaay worse when there were more pallets on the map, the dev summary tended to be either take a break from killer or that they were not underpowered. I just want more variety on good killers, instead of the same two!
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@AdánAR said:
These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?Hag aint a bad killer anymore, she's around the top of A tier. And you must be playing at low ranks if you're doing so well.
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@AdánAR said:
@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
You killer mains whine about everything "uh, DS is so OP, SB is OP, eveything is so OP, the game is surv sided, buff this killer, nerf survivors" I saw a lot of pigs and Leatherfaces (as me) getttin' 4K, stop being a crying baby killer and improve your skills or just don't play the game
You gotta be low rank then bud cause I guaruntee at high ranks a 4k as amanda/leatherface only happens once in a blue moon, or youre just playing against survivors that dont know how to gen rush for some reason
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Mclean said on reddit that they are going to work on leatherface sometime in the future.
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Only because some people are plain masochistic, doesn't mean that those killers are viable or fun on high ranks.powerbats said:Yes the typical response because someones favorite killer isn't top tier.
You do realize that Hag is one of the top 2-3 killers at rank 1-5 right? There's also been a lot of really good Trappers, Myer's and huntresses at rank 1-5. There's even been some Wraiths and Freddy's.
Before the reset most of my matches at 1-2 were actually Hag's, Wraiths, Freddy's, with Billy/Nurse rounding it off. With Hags being the biggest played killer since her rework she's really good.
Also, don't forget that there are dailies. So they might play for the daily and not because they like it.2 -
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
@scerckan said:
weak? leatherface has a permanent downer. he doesn't need totems or stalk to get survivors on exposed mode. if he needs something is to be nerfedLeatherface is one of the weakest killers in the game. He can be looped and genrushed very easily and he's bright yellow. If you let him get close enough to you to the point where he can one-shot you at the start of the chase, than, no offence, you need to improve your game play.
yep leatherface needs buff (maybe an optional cancel of 2nd attack in progress or FD's with powers)
but the pig.. meh.. I think is strong as she is with silent mode, ambust and reverse traps
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@Onandaga said:
Mclean said on reddit that they are going to work on leatherface sometime in the future.Have you got the link to that? I would like to see that
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@AdánAR said:
@Nickenzie said:
AdánAR said:These killer mains 😂😂 getgud and stop crying about it. I can go killer with hag and get easily 3/4k and I'm not a killer main i mean #########?
Lol, show me a clip of you 4king as Leather Face and Amanda! 😂
You killer mains whine about everything "uh, DS is so OP, SB is OP, eveything is so OP, the game is surv sided, buff this killer, nerf survivors" I saw a lot of pigs and Leatherfaces (as me) getttin' 4K, stop being a crying baby killer and improve your skills or just don't play the game
If a leatherface or pig got a 4k it's because the survivors are bad. The game is survivor sided and alot of perks gives second chances that makes survivors to strong. You ######### are the reason this game will die killers are suppose to be op they're suppose to be strong this is an assymetrical game and the monster the killer whatever it is should be op that's what would make the game more scary. I'm always scared of a good Billy or nurse because theyre kit is so strong. This game will probably die when last year the nightmare releases it looks more fun and done properly instead of this game full of braindead survivor that ######### about anything being a challenge to them.
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I couldn't agree more.0
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I don't really think the Pig needs big buffs. I say this as a Pig main.
What I really want is that they reduce her crouch transition, and maybe make it so the jigsaw boxes don't spawn super close to each other.0 -
I think only Pig deserve buff, but not to much. Little buff. Crouching speed from 92% to 95% and dash 0,5 sec longer. I think she deserve no more
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I agree. Especially Amanda my fave0
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He's only viable at this point if you get survivor to the basement and camp
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@Nickenzie said:
Oh, hey @Peanits... can you close this thread please?Will do.
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