Want to make a bet that the Spirit's perks will get nerfed?

Hellbilly

I'm thinking that Survivor babies are going to cry en masse the loudest about Rancor or Spirit Fury on chainsaw killers.

Countfunkular

You know what I'm going to take this bet that it won't get nerfed. To be honest they didn't change the Clown. Even though survivors cried a little they didn't change the Clown

Broccoli_Jaeger

Especially the 10 year old OchiDO fan boys who can't play without DS will cry about Rancor. 

Broccoli_Jaeger

Countfunkular said:

You know what I'm going to take this bet that it won't get nerfed. To be honest they didn't change the Clown. Even though survivors cried a little they didn't change the Clown

Don't forget what they did to Freddy

ChesterTheMolester

Broccoli_Jaeger said:

Countfunkular said:

You know what I'm going to take this bet that it won't get nerfed. To be honest they didn't change the Clown. Even though survivors cried a little they didn't change the Clown

Don't forget what they did to Freddy

Yeah bit that was last year and they buffed Clown despite survivor complains and didnt look back.

They get my benefit of the doubt for now.

Iceman

Hellbilly said:

I'm thinking that Survivor babies are going to cry en masse the loudest about Rancor or Spirit Fury on chainsaw killers.

I plays survivor and I wouldn’t want it to get nerf. It makes the game more challenging and fun. The whole entire time wondering if the killer has rancor or not. 

Broccoli_Jaeger said:

Countfunkular said:

You know what I'm going to take this bet that it won't get nerfed. To be honest they didn't change the Clown. Even though survivors cried a little they didn't change the Clown

Don't forget what they did to Freddy

And they regret it. 

Vietfox

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

cetruzzo

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

lol someone is mad

Jack11803

@Hellbilly said:
I'm thinking that Survivor babies are going to cry en masse the loudest about Rancor or Spirit Fury on chainsaw killers.

I doubt it. But you seem pretty whiny yourself.

Vietfox

@cetruzzo said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

lol someone is mad

Not at all, just pointing it out. XD
It's a fair analogy.

Mc_Harty

The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Jack11803

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

Mc_Harty

@Jack11803 said:
Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

Ey my boi.

I missed you fam.

Jack11803

@Mc_Harty said:

@Jack11803 said:
Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

Ey my boi.

I missed you fam.

Long time no see. I was busy hiding in a locker. Quite cramped in there y’know? But now I’m coming out of the closet!

Mc_Harty

@Jack11803 said:
Long time no see. I was busy hiding in a locker. Quite cramped in there y’know? But now I’m coming out of the closet!

Shirtless David brought you out didn't it?

Jack11803

@Mc_Harty said:

@Jack11803 said:
Long time no see. I was busy hiding in a locker. Quite cramped in there y’know? But now I’m coming out of the closet!

Shirtless David brought you out didn't it?

I only glanced I SWEAR

Someissues

the new Survivors perks are in need of buffs, mainly Diversion. it should have multiple charges

the new killer perks, Spirit Fury can be countered and rendered useless if you drop it and not try to stun the killer

Rancor is a hit or miss 50%, with the survivors aura at end how will u know which is the Obsession? you won't be able to tell. especially with just 3 seconds

the hex perk is okayish, however once someone is dead and a ruin has been taken out they won't touch the other hex and tell their mates in voice comm, and the second totem doesn't count so it's not overpowered

Orion

@Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

When's the last time Survivors did not complain about a new Killer and perks?

Jack11803

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

When's the last time Survivors did not complain about a new Killer and perks?

Right now. No one is screaming yet that the new stuff is OP, and posts like this shouldn’t exist yet either.

Orion

@Jack11803 said:

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

When's the last time Survivors did not complain about a new Killer and perks?

Right now. No one is screaming yet that the new stuff is OP, and posts like this shouldn’t exist yet either.

Wait for the Killer's release, then we'll talk. Killers being in the PTB prior to release is a relatively new thing.

DocOctober

The devs are aware of Survivors lobbying against changes, especially regarding upcoming Freddy buffs, for which they suddenly claim that he's actually a strong Killer and doesn't need any. The learnt from past experiences.

Mc_Harty

@DocOctober said:
The devs are aware of Survivors lobbying against changes, especially regarding upcoming Freddy buffs, for which they suddenly claim that he's actually a strong Killer and doesn't need any. The learnt from past experiences.

When did they ever state that?

Jack11803

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

When's the last time Survivors did not complain about a new Killer and perks?

Right now. No one is screaming yet that the new stuff is OP, and posts like this shouldn’t exist yet either.

Wait for the Killer's release, then we'll talk. Killers being in the PTB prior to release is a relatively new thing.

Completly ignoring this post being released way to early though, as it’s killer aided right? Bitching one way is ok but not the other?

Jack11803

@Mc_Harty said:

@DocOctober said:
The devs are aware of Survivors lobbying against changes, especially regarding upcoming Freddy buffs, for which they suddenly claim that he's actually a strong Killer and doesn't need any. The learnt from past experiences.

When did they ever stat that?

Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

Mc_Harty

@Jack11803 said:
Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

But he's talking about survivors rallying against Freddy buffs/reworks.

I've never seen a collective mob of survivors say that Freddy is fine or that he doesn't need adjusting.

Orion

@Jack11803 said:

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Orion said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:
The only one I can see survivors complaining about is Hex:Haunting Ground.

The rest are fine.

Forums are already haunted ground with these oh so oppressed killer mains. They were slain before the survivors even drew their sword!

When's the last time Survivors did not complain about a new Killer and perks?

Right now. No one is screaming yet that the new stuff is OP, and posts like this shouldn’t exist yet either.

Wait for the Killer's release, then we'll talk. Killers being in the PTB prior to release is a relatively new thing.

Completly ignoring this post being released way to early though, as it’s killer aided right? Bitching one way is ok but not the other?

No, because I was referring specifically to Survivors complaining about the new Killer and perks. Few people played the PTB. I couldn't even get a KYF lobby despite making threads on the forum, indicating that few people who come to the forum were participating in the PTB.

DocOctober

@Mc_Harty said:

@Jack11803 said:
Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

But he's talking about survivors rallying against Freddy buffs/reworks.

I've never seen a collective mob of survivors say that Freddy is fine or that he doesn't need adjusting.

Not necessarily a collective mob, but several Survivor mains on these forums. Soon after McLean announced Freddy being the next Killer on the buff list, several threads lobbying against any buffs starting popping up.

Mc_Harty

@DocOctober said:
Not necessarily a collective mob, but several Survivor mains on these forums. Soon after McLean announced Freddy being the next Killer on the buff list, several threads lobbying against any buffs starting popping up.

You're gonna have to link me a couple of them then.

I need something to laugh at.

DocOctober

@Mc_Harty said:

@DocOctober said:
Not necessarily a collective mob, but several Survivor mains on these forums. Soon after McLean announced Freddy being the next Killer on the buff list, several threads lobbying against any buffs starting popping up.

You're gonna have to link me a couple of them then.

I need something to laugh at.

Or you can use the search function ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Mc_Harty

@DocOctober said:
Or you can use the search function ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Fair enough lol.

powerbats

@Someissues said:
the new Survivors perks are in need of buffs, mainly Diversion. it should have multiple charges

the new killer perks, Spirit Fury can be countered and rendered useless if you drop it and not try to stun the killer

Rancor is a hit or miss 50%, with the survivors aura at end how will u know which is the Obsession? you won't be able to tell. especially with just 3 seconds

the hex perk is okayish, however once someone is dead and a ruin has been taken out they won't touch the other hex and tell their mates in voice comm, and the second totem doesn't count so it's not overpowered

Yeah no one ever leaves any totems around if they're smart because we all want to have the killer get us with NOED.

powerbats

@DocOctober said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@Jack11803 said:
Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

But he's talking about survivors rallying against Freddy buffs/reworks.

I've never seen a collective mob of survivors say that Freddy is fine or that he doesn't need adjusting.

Not necessarily a collective mob, but several Survivor mains on these forums. Soon after McLean announced Freddy being the next Killer on the buff list, several threads lobbying against any buffs starting popping up.

Ok but how is this any different than the small vocal minority of killer mains that whines about anything that's not a nerf to survivors? The only thing I worry about with the Freddy buffs is how even more op he'll be in the hands of really skilled players.

DocFabron

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

Vietfox

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape while your perk idea DOES guarantee the hook. Also, it's not like all 4 survivors run DS in every match.
Bad comparison mate.
PS: @me when replying. Replies from cellphones don't send the notifications by default.

Tsulan

powerbats said:

@DocOctober said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@Jack11803 said:
Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

But he's talking about survivors rallying against Freddy buffs/reworks.

I've never seen a collective mob of survivors say that Freddy is fine or that he doesn't need adjusting.

Not necessarily a collective mob, but several Survivor mains on these forums. Soon after McLean announced Freddy being the next Killer on the buff list, several threads lobbying against any buffs starting popping up.

Ok but how is this any different than the small vocal minority of killer mains that whines about anything that's not a nerf to survivors? The only thing I worry about with the Freddy buffs is how even more op he'll be in the hands of really skilled players.

This phrasing implies that he's already OP. Which he's not. 
But I wouldn't mind if he becomes "OP". Since that could finally break the nurse meta. We need more top tier killers. So the high ranks are more varied. 

Tsulan

Vietfox said:

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape while your perk idea DOES guarantee the hook. Also, it's not like all 4 survivors run DS in every match.
Bad comparison mate.
PS: @me when replying. Replies from cellphones don't send the notifications by default.

Imagine survivors could be downed by pressing a button. Killer chases you, misses that hit and presses E so you still get downed, even if you are out of his range.
Does that sound fair?

Mister_Holdout

I think the perks will be fine.

Soren

@powerbats said:
Ok but how is this any different than the small vocal minority of killer mains that whines about anything that's not a nerf to survivors? The only thing I worry about with the Freddy buffs is how even more op he'll be in the hands of really skilled players.

He's not OP, but okay. People claimed the same thing about Hag: "She's already top tier, she will be even more OP on god Hag".

Spoiler: she is not. She is more versatile, more rewarding. But in the end it's not like by miracle we all became 5 blinks Nurse. It raised the skill ceil and made survivors more tactical when it comes to play against the Hag.

DocFabron

Tsulan said:

Vietfox said:

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape while your perk idea DOES guarantee the hook. Also, it's not like all 4 survivors run DS in every match.
Bad comparison mate.
PS: @me when replying. Replies from cellphones don't send the notifications by default.

Imagine survivors could be downed by pressing a button. Killer chases you, misses that hit and presses E so you still get downed, even if you are out of his range.
Does that sound fair?

This is exactly what I meant by my comment.

Tsulan

Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Tsulan said:

Vietfox said:

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape while your perk idea DOES guarantee the hook. Also, it's not like all 4 survivors run DS in every match.
Bad comparison mate.
PS: @me when replying. Replies from cellphones don't send the notifications by default.

Imagine survivors could be downed by pressing a button. Killer chases you, misses that hit and presses E so you still get downed, even if you are out of his range.
Does that sound fair?

This is exactly what I meant by my comment.

I know, I got your back

powerbats

@Soren said:

He's not OP, but okay. People claimed the same thing about Hag: "She's already top tier, she will be even more OP on god Hag".

Spoiler: she is not. She is more versatile, more rewarding. But in the end it's not like by miracle we all became 5 blinks Nurse. It raised the skill ceil and made survivors more tactical when it comes to play against the Hag.

You've never played against really skilled Freddy's and hag's have you? I always played more tactical agains't Hag even before her rework.

DocOctober

powerbats said:

@Soren said:

He's not OP, but okay. People claimed the same thing about Hag: "She's already top tier, she will be even more OP on god Hag".

Spoiler: she is not. She is more versatile, more rewarding. But in the end it's not like by miracle we all became 5 blinks Nurse. It raised the skill ceil and made survivors more tactical when it comes to play against the Hag.

You've never played against really skilled Freddy's and hag's have you? I always played more tactical agains't Hag even before her rework.

Doesn't change that he has the most game mechanics working against him. There will always be people who are good with an underdog Killer.

Vietfox

Tsulan said:

Vietfox said:

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Vietfox said:

It worked with DS and baby killers crying about it since it's gonna be nerfed in midchapter patch, so yeah, you could be right.

DS needed a nerf. Think of it this way, what if killers had a perk where if they hit a skillcheck, they get a free hook. Just teleport a random survivor to a hook. And imagine if he could do it 4 times.

DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape while your perk idea DOES guarantee the hook. Also, it's not like all 4 survivors run DS in every match.
Bad comparison mate.
PS: @me when replying. Replies from cellphones don't send the notifications by default.

Imagine survivors could be downed by pressing a button. Killer chases you, misses that hit and presses E so you still get downed, even if you are out of his range.
Does that sound fair?

@Tsulan
Killers downing me out of their range happens a lot already xD.
There's still a difference: after a succesful DS survivors can be downed again, it's not a safe escape and happens quite often. That down by pressing E will turn into a succesful or secured hook.

Orion

@Vietfox said:
There's still a difference: after a succesful DS survivors can be downed again, it's not a safe escape and happens quite often. That down by pressing E will turn into a succesful or secured hook.

What if it was just dropping them one health state? Would that be fair? You can still lose the Killer.

Vietfox

Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
There's still a difference: after a succesful DS survivors can be downed again, it's not a safe escape and happens quite often. That down by pressing E will turn into a succesful or secured hook.

What if it was just dropping them one health state? Would that be fair? You can still lose the Killer.

Only when healthy then? I could live with that.

Orion

@Vietfox said:
Only when healthy then? I could live with that.

And only once per Survivor (after all, there can be up to 4 DS).

Zarathos

Jack11803 said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@DocOctober said:
The devs are aware of Survivors lobbying against changes, especially regarding upcoming Freddy buffs, for which they suddenly claim that he's actually a strong Killer and doesn't need any. The learnt from past experiences.

When did they ever stat that?

Dev stream they refused to nerf BBQ ever. Early 100’s. Like 100-108-ish

They also refused to nerf move adjust or remove swf. So whats your point. They did however nerf billies instasaw and huntresses machine gun build. They did however buff sloppy butcher so their is a lot of back and forth with changes. The killers perks being nerfed is still legitimate worry as many killers before clown they had released sub par killers with very limited options ie freddy pig leatherface doctor.  Holy crap i just realised nearly all their recent killers except clown are bottom tier. Ya I would worry more about the killer. 

Soren

@powerbats said:

@Soren said:

He's not OP, but okay. People claimed the same thing about Hag: "She's already top tier, she will be even more OP on god Hag".

Spoiler: she is not. She is more versatile, more rewarding. But in the end it's not like by miracle we all became 5 blinks Nurse. It raised the skill ceil and made survivors more tactical when it comes to play against the Hag.

You've never played against really skilled Freddy's and hag's have you? I always played more tactical agains't Hag even before her rework.

I think I know one thing or two about playing the Hag...........

Regarding Freddy, my point remains the same: he doesn't reward you for the skills you put into him. Unless you believe Leatherface without his chainsaw is OP. Freddy has potential, but currently, his power hinders you more than anything.

powerbats

@Soren said:

@powerbats said:

@Soren said:

He's not OP, but okay. People claimed the same thing about Hag: "She's already top tier, she will be even more OP on god Hag".

Spoiler: she is not. She is more versatile, more rewarding. But in the end it's not like by miracle we all became 5 blinks Nurse. It raised the skill ceil and made survivors more tactical when it comes to play against the Hag.

You've never played against really skilled Freddy's and hag's have you? I always played more tactical agains't Hag even before her rework.

I think I know one thing or two about playing the Hag...........

Regarding Freddy, my point remains the same: he doesn't reward you for the skills you put into him. Unless you believe Leatherface without his chainsaw is OP. Freddy has potential, but currently, his power hinders you more than anything.

Look at @DocOctober response, he's underpowered yes but in the hands of someone who knows how to play him he's a beast. The same is true for Bubba, Hag is really good now but even before her rework the masters were destructive with her.

There's people both on the forum and streamers who're rank 1 Freddy's and who get 3-4k every game. some went to rank 1 perkless while others didn't, but they all used him to his fullest potential. They didn't play him like everyone wants to play him is the difference.

Boss

Survivors cried a LOT about B&C: Didn't get nerfed.
I'm not betting anything, these devs are weird.

Freddykreuger

@Countfunkular said:
You know what I'm going to take this bet that it won't get nerfed. To be honest they didn't change the Clown. Even though survivors cried a little they didn't change the Clown

And yet they succumbed to the freddy haters