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Red Ranks as Killer: Boring
Playing killer in red ranks is so boring and repetitive. If I don't use the same 6-7 perks, I'll get to experience the wonders of a 5 minute match. When I do use the allowed perks, I get to play ring around the rosy + Pallet Breaking Simulator™.
Let's take a look at the perks shall we:
Pop (nerfed)
Discordance (nerfed)
BBQ
Corrupt
Nurse's
Tinkerer
Sloppy (that's a stretch)
Anything outside of that, you're going to have a bad time. What's this? "But wHeRe's Ruin/Undying?" -- overrated, and countered by not getting off of the gen or doing possibly 2 totems, wow. Trapper with Ruin/Undying? Irrelevant. Most M1 killers with Ruin/Undying are devoting 2 perk slots to a placebo.
There's not remotely unique or interesting about the possible builds around these perks. It's just info and gen defense. B o r i n g.
Moving on.
Let's take a look at the usable killers if I want to actually pip:
Spirit
Doctor
Freddy
maybe Huntress depending if the survivors are genbots or not
*Nurse (I'm on Xbox and too inconsistent, so I don't really consider using her if I want to actually do good)
So out of 21 killers, 3-4 are reliable at actually winning and not getting Brutal or a depip. B o r i n g.
Maybe one day I'll be able to use a different killer without the same boring ass perks and actually be able to not have to sweat my balls off or depip. Today is not that day.
And I swear to god, if anyone mentions "bUt Tru3 and Otz can win with anyone and any perk".. ok champ - that'd be like if I want to go play a round of golf and just relax, or at least not reach the point where I throw my clubs into a water hazard. But when I show up to the course, it's designed with every obstacle imaginable right in my face.. and you go "bUt Tiger Woods could make that shot". So don't.
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Even the game director say it,, if u doesnt enjoy the game just play somethimg else,,
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I like playing at red ranks as killer, and I play a lot of Bubba and Wraith with only a couple of those perks you deem necessary. If you want to relax and play for fun, do that. If you get your fun out of trying your hardest to win (like I do), then do that. If you want to relax but get upset when you lose, either become good enough to do that or go play a different game. You need to improve so that you can have fun with your current mindset, so focus on improvement instead of complaining on the forums. The former will actually help you enjoy the game more while the latter will just make you feel worse.
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Thats the worst statement a game director could say about his game
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thank you for the high quality feedback
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Please dont ######### in front of my door, oki smartass
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my point is i want to be able to use more than a handful of perks and killers if I want to actually win. The game is not designed in a way that every killer can win at red ranks with builds that aren't meta or ultra sweat. I'm constantly rank 1 so the whole "git gud" is a lazy response, getting good isn't the issue, it's having the ability to use interesting builds on any killer and not getting dick punched because of how the game's designed.
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My guy if you want to break the meta then do it. You don't have to use those perks. There are options... Plenty of them. Just because you won't do something isn't the fault of the game. It's the fault of the player. You don't need to use the best perk for every category. Surge is serviceable. Surge and Surveillance isn't a bad combo. Put Mindbreaker onto a stealth killer or onto Death Slinger with M&A. Run around as Myers with Bamboozle and ruin those loops. Enduring and Spirit fury. Nemesis and PWYF. @TheClownIsKing uses coulrophobia and distressing and wins ffs. You have options and you simply don't use them.
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To be fair it's not hard to hit rank 1. Git gud.
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I agree. The meta has been very stale, small, and in need of some work. We really need to see a bunch of weak perks get a buff. However, I think that a lot of players gloss over some killer perks that are kinda in the meta because they don't work as well on every killer as the ones you listed.
For example, Surge is incredibly powerful on killers like Wraith and Ghostface and is still good on all other M1 killers. It gives a modest bit of regression and an excellent amount of time efficiency.
Surveillance is also a perk that a lot people tend to forget about. It gives you a massive amount of information, especially when combined with perks like Surge, Ruin, or Pop (since you get more out of kicking gens).
Infectious Fright is a good information provider if you like to play aggressively. This is best on killers like Oni or Billy, and less useful on defensive killers like Hag or Trapper or killers with small terror radiuses.
I can list some more if you want. You can also ask me for tips on playing a certain killer well and I can give you perks that are good for them and advice where I can.
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Depends on the person using the killer look at gamers get 4ks with Trapper and Clown. It's more of how difficult getting that 4k is. A god clown will still have a rougher time then a god nurse.
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Troll reply.
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Yeah, it was. The one just on top of that one wasn't though.
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You can definitely win at red ranks against decent teams using off-meta perks and killers, but you also have to accept that these things can easily backfire (especially if you get a poor map choice for your killer/build or the survivors come loaded for bear). It's just the risk you have to take when breaking away from the meta.
Even though you might not win as often though, I think it's a lot more fun to mix things up and experiment with wacky builds. For example, I've been playing a lot of "Shaman Bubba" and "Break Everything Wraith" recently and finding far more success than I was expecting to have with either of them.
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I'm playing with random perks on all killers and have rank 1-2.
Just try something new. You can try to use different perks or start to play on different killers too.
Even on red ranks you can easily have matches versus not determinded survs that really not to want to escape as soon as possible or not experienced solo players (in simple words - potatoes)
Yes, you can have a lot of depips but the main goal is to have fun.
Well, if you really want to win everytime and make the game more interesting you really should try to play with different perks or EVEN without any perks. Just try it.
Playing without perks allow you to focus to the game really hard and start to predict where & what survs are doing now more often than you're playing with some perks. Start to think more and it's probably can be hard at the beggining but hight rewarding too (it's really a sweet feeling when you get 4k vs SWF while using nothing).
Also, you can analize why you can be genrushed sometimes (yeah, in some specific moments you really can't to do smthg or it's really hard to prevent) but like you said: "I get to play ring around the rosy + Pallet Breaking Simulator™." Sometimes you need to drop the chases & go to defend gens.
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If you don't like playing killer in red ranks, how about just taking the perks you wanna play with and killer you wanna play with, instead of meta? Okay, you'll lose some games first, but it drops you out of the red ranks sweating. I equip random perks when I get bored of the red ranks as a survivor, and it works + I'm actually having fun because I'm not using the repertative 5 perks.
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A consistent problem I notice is people expect consistency where it cannot exist. You aren't playing against NPCs who are following a preprogrammed code. You're playing people who change decide on the fly.
In short, not every perk can be expected to work 100% of the time. That's because they weren't designed to work as such. Two simple terms will help most players; strategy and counter strategy. Those two terms are an ouroboros. Also understanding the concepts presenting in a little book known as the are of war help a whole bunch.
As per you perk choices. Sit back.
PGTW is easily countered by prepping multiple gens and not getting hooked.
BBQ while useful, doesnt really need a counter. It seems most survivors assume most killers run it and will hide in lockers from the start. (Which is itself a counter.) Plus there is the distance to cove and obstacles may apply. Sure learn the map, but situations you know.
Corrupt is simple, be stealthy until it wears off. Certain perks like Spies can help with the stealth part, but still.
Nurse's... well its complicated. It's extremely useful in finding survivors trying to heal. Some would view it as a crutch, or lazy. I mean there are many ways to find survivors aside "just show me where they are!" Also the syringe helps counter that.
Tinker is great if you pait it with Pop or any other regression perk. Other than that, you have a gen that's 70% done. Other stealth perks are more... practical.
As far as killers go, sure nurse and spirit are considered top dog. Yet I see people... taking issue with every killer. Personally I'm no good with spirit or nurse nor am I inspired to get good. Not my play style is all. I prefer pig to ghost face when it comes to stealth as a preference.
My best killers are Doctor, Legion (julie blue bunny custome!!!), Freddy, Michael and Leather. Mostly due to the way I immerse myself into a game. In short I'm more of a role player, and I've seen every movie pertaining to those last 3. I make it like the movies.
Everyone plays different and any try to play that works for them, not the general player base.
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I see someone hasn't endured a depip squad in his life, yet. Lucky you.
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I have... Afterwards I simply play to get back the single pip I lost
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This is about killers, not about survivors, my friend.
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Depipping means I got very few hooks and the gens were completed exceptionally fast.
That is not fun.
So your statement of "you'll depip but have fun".. no.. those two things cannot coexist. If you play COD and get waxed every match with a .5 k/d, are you having fun?
And I do play with other perks and other killers. And get rushed while I run in circles kicking pallets. It's exciting gameplay. "go after someone else" -- sure, and that person does the same thing. Meanwhile, the other kid is healing and all that time you spent on them was an utter waste. Boring
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And if you happen to encounter another, or a squad who just stomps you? That's probably an hour of time lost trying to GET BACK to where you started, rather than improving your rank.
I'll tell you right now, depending on the circumstances, Rank 1 on Killer is far from easy to get to. The 2.5% of Steam players who have the achievement for it would probably agree.
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90% of survivors are bad and most of them are at red ranks so idk,
also disagree with you on ruin undying tinkerer i feel like that combo legit makes the game too easy so ive just stopped running it.
Also personally i feel like ever killer is playable at red ranks at redranks, maybe not against a squad who know what there doing but thats no where near even a third of the players.
Right now im rank 1 and this month i got there with blight and legion and billy.
sloppy is not a stretch...
I also enjoy stbfl, enduring, spiritfury, thana, surge, and infectous fright.
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*Laughs in pop, iron maiden, shadowborne and retribution huntress in rank 1*
Why do you want to pip? There is no difference unless you want to get the achievement but other than that why care for your rank?
You can play however you want and do whatever you want, you can use whatever perks you want as well, it doesn't have to depend 100% on the killer/perks it depends also on the player him/her self you don't really need full meta to win, yeah it is nice and easier with nice perks but you don't need to be full meta.
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No ruin+undyng+meta killer=pobably get genrushed on big stupidmaps like ormaond. Solo survivor=same but other surv lets you die at hook
Nice and fun balanced experience
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Yeah, it's not hard to hit rank 1 on either side. It's literally just a measure of how much time you've put into it.
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I play again until I've gotten back the 2 pips I lost. You aren't facing depip squads every game. If you aren't pipping maybe you should attempt to change your playstyle into a more pip friendly one? In my red rank experience it's very easy to get double pips as Blight.
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What do you mean why do I want to pip?
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True but as a killer you actually have to kill people while as a survivor you don't even have to escape.
I think we can all agree that getting Rank 1 as a killer is in many ways harder than as a survivor and will take much longer if you are not that skillfull.
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For me, I like to create a challenge and try to complete it. Thats why I'm playing with random perks. And I love it.
I'm understand that not everyone likes this playstyle.
Just ask yourself: "Why do you like to play as the killer?" and answered it.
Try to approve it in the game.
If you don't succeed ask yourself again: "Why I don't succeed? What the problem?"
Try to find answers about it. Don't need to say like "the game is so unbalanced". Also you said that: "if anyone mentions "bUt Tru3 and Otz can win with anyone and any perk".. ok champ - that'd be like if I want to go play a round of golf and just RELAX".
So, you want to win everytime and chill at the same time? In red ranks, killer mostly of the time needs to be everywhere and pressing the survivors for not been genrushed. Yes, it can be very stressful sometimes but you're playing solo vs 4 players and of course it's not easy.
But why Otz & True can win & still have fun from it? You're a human! And they're too! And you're lucky that these guys are streaming and showing "how to play more efficiently while using a lot of different tactics, perks, addons, some decisions e.t.c.". You're free to use this knowledge and trying to use in your games for having more chances to win and good feelings about your game experience.
"If you play COD and get waxed every match with a .5 k/d, are you having fun?" - maybe not, but if you want to avoid this situation you probably need to GiT GuD (Get Better). Figure out what bad habbits do you have, how can you solve it, learn new useful moves and improve yourself and just play & be more experienced. Just upgrade your skills. That's all.
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If you're more worried about getting pips instead of kills, Legion is probably the best killer for that purpose.
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You don't have to 4k to pip. A survivor doesn't have to escape to pip. Escaping isn't all that matters when playing survivor. There are players who carry their whole team and end up dying. They would still deserve a pip. Killer pipping maybe be harder, but it doesn't mean much when both are easy.
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No, you don't but most 2k's are a brutal because you get punished if survivors are doing all the gens.
While survivors, as you said, have other things they have to do, for killers it all comes down in the end about how many hooks and therefore kills they got.
You will most likely never experience a 4 man escape that grants you a pip, no matter how good you were playing.
I wouldn't call that easy, at least not in red ranks.
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Idk what you're smoking but every killer is very useable at red ranks. I've gotten 4K's as perk-less clown and bubba at purple and red ranks many times. Scott has won 32 times in a row as old Bubba with speed limiter. I really don't know where people are coming from with this whole "some killers aren't viable at red ranks" thing. You don't need an amazing chase power against most survivor teams (which is the one reason why Legion is considered underrated by some people.)
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If you're having enough 4k escapes to complain about it I really don't know what to tell you. The fact that 4 escapes won't give you a pip doesn't mean it's hard to rank up.
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I have nothing to complain about. My killer stays solid at rank 1. But I still don't think that ranking up is easy because I see the games that I have every single day and I only win them or kinda win them because I play this game a lot. Don't really know if we just have different games or why do you think it's so easy. Because I clearly don't think it is easy to rank up against the current gen rush meta.
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I didn't say the game was easy. I said it's easy to rank up. It's just a measure of time not skill.
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Yeah, I know. And I was only talking about ranking up.
Time will give you the skill and experience though. If you just hardcore tunnel or camp every single game, you can do that for an eternity and never rank up at a certain point because the game will punish you for it. No matter how much time you will invest in a playstyle that isn't efficient, it will not let you rank up. Actually, the more you rank up the less efficient these tactics are getting because you will face better opponents.
You have to get better, you have to play smarter, you have to understand the game to progress. And there is more to learn on the killer side than on the survivor side because you are playing against 4 people and every mistake will punish you four times harder.
That's why I don't agree with ranking up being easy. It's easy if you have established a skill basis that allows you the kill the average survivor groups. And to get to that basis takes for killers way longer than for survivors.
It just appears that ranking up as a killer is easy because low rank survivors are free kills. But that will change pretty soon when you hit the smurf groups at green and yellow ranks. A lot of killers are reaching their first plateau in these ranks due to the sudden increased skill levels of survivors.
But hey...I guess we all have different opinions about what is easy and what is not. And that's fine. I just face a lot more stronger survivors than usual for the last weeks, probably due to the devs having reactivated the MMR System without mentioning it, and that's just a really stressfull experience. Under these circumstances I cannot say that Pipping is easy. If you don't get your occasional potatoe survivors anymore it becomes a whole nother experience.
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I hear you. So i main pig and at red ranks i usually run through survivors because my head traps buy me time.....i decided to start using the other killers i havnt touched in awhile started with trapper and literally gens just keep popping before i get one hook lol its so stupid. Im not even in long or bad chases just pop pop pop.
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Well I mean you could say the same for survivor. In red ranks its usually a pretty similar build of Dead hard, decisive strike, Unbreakable, and a few others
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you have 3 other teammates to help, you don't need 4x DS/BT/DH/UB.. yet everyone acts like you do and that's why killer is a miserable experience
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Depends if you play solo Q or SWF. Either way nobody in red ranks is having fun their just playing for glory I guess
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And you have to be rank up to win? Because that is the opposite of how I play it, I don't care at all for ranks, a W for me is a 3-4k.
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Jesus christ, just enjoy the ######### game or dont play it for gods sake.
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Why Shadowborn instead of M&A? Just curious.
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Why? It's objectively a reasonable statement. Not everyone is going to like every game.
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Well, then you don't play in the same region/time/match types that I do.
Getting to Rank 1 was a pain in the tuchus for me, not that I care about my rank anymore. I've mostly attempted to do it again to see just how hard it is, and holy balls, are red rankers the sweatiest motherhubbers out there. Stacked second chances, BNPs out the butthole, all sorts of ridiculous shenanigans.
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Shadowborn is a fixed FOV, M&A on huntress has made me miss more because of the fov change, mostly because of that, plus with the fixed FOV it feels slightly easier to flick.
Just that, some people say that it's a hit or miss.
Oh, also because M&A just reduces the TR, if it reduced the humming I would 100% run it.
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100% but theyd rather lose said player than try and make the game fun for everyone. Game director also said frustration is a part of their game
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Gotcha. I like M&A personally specifically for the TR reduction. I find that tiny TR coupled with the huge lullaby makes people respect the lullaby a bit more once I prove I can hit my hatchets :D I get that the FOV changing isn't ideal though
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ill agree on the perk part of the post.
perks are a very significant factor of this game and can often make the difference between winning and losing.
though you dont have to exclusively run the few perks you listed there.
you can always throw something else in there, that compliments the Killers power you are using. Infectious Fright on Oni, Stridor on Spirit, Monitor & Abuse on Deathslinger, Thanatophobia on Legion, etc.
my perk builds are usually build around Pop and Discordance being my gen defense and map knowledge tools (sometimes Discordance gets swapped out for BBQ, cause double BP) and the other two slots are something that i feel like goes well with the Killers power im using, as mentioned above.
for the Killer part of this post, ill have to whole heartedly disagree.
i think there is not a single Killer in this game who is unplayable at Rank 1. If you devote some time to this specific Killer and learn all the Tipps and Tricks with their power, you can do well regardless who you play.
Granted, not every Killer can win on every map with every team of survivors (e.g. Billy on Lerys with a genrush team is going to be hell), but a majority of the time you can do well with all of them.
this one really just boils down to your personal skill and experience level with each of them - and if you depip as one then that just means that you arent good enough with this character to be at rank 1 yet.
I can play Killers like Deathslinger, Legion, Ghostface or Executioner at that rank without depipping (i even pip / double pip with them), so if i can pull that off, you can aswell.
but you shouldnt expect to be a god at any Killer you pick up immediately. you are going to lose at first and you are going to struggle. thats normal though and its going to get better the more you give the character a chance.
if you depip with a Killer you rarely ever play, dont let it get to you. You know you're not a bad player, you've made it to rank 1 plenty of times. its not an issue with your overall skill level, its just that you havent gotten used to this specific Killer yet. And once you did, you are going to be back at rank 1 in no time at all!
just dont let a few losses disencourage you from playing.
if you really want to play someone else, go for it! go and learn how they work, how to play them around tiles and how they compare to other characters! Dont be afraid to lose you rank 1, otherwise you will always be stuck with the few selected Killers you can play effectively and you will be burned out sooner than later.
there is nothing you gain from being rank 1, this game is ment to be fun, so go and enjoy yourself.
Play whoever you want and see where you end up. and dont be afraid to ask others for tipps and tricks with how to play / verse Killers - thats the main reason why this forum exists after all.
I believe you can do it.
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