A reason for mains of every killer to be dissatisfied with BHVR
Trapper
4 years later, and Traps are still such a massive timesink that by the time you've even set up your traps, it's already gg. Hell, thanks to Dead Hard, even a good trap is liable to just leave you stuck in a dead end.
Hillbilly
Billy was fine at base, but had problematic add-ons. Instead of fixing his add-ons and leaving the base, they decided to gut his add-ons and hit his base for good measure.
Wraith
4 years later, and he still doesn't have a goddamn power.
Nurse
For some reason, the devs take "She's the strongest killer" to mean that she doesn't need any fixes. Yeah she's OP, that's no excuse to leave in a bunch of bugs.
Myers
Stalking is buggy as hell and not only is Tier 1 a nightmare, but the devs outright nerfed it by removing your immunity to Spine Chill. Good luck stalking to tier 2 without looking at somebody!
Hag
Remember that year-long stretch after Dedicated Servers when Hag was basically unplayable due to your camera randomly flickering after teleports? We still haven't forgiven them.
Doctor
They did an entire rework on this guy and still couldn't think of a way to make convincing hallucinations.
Huntress
Server/animation tweaks change the way survivors turn every few months, and they still haven't fixed locker spawns on Swamp Maps to let you do a goddamn reload.
Bubba
They increased the penalty for Tantrums in the rework, but didn't fix how he hits his head on certain overhead terrain (ie Thompson House backdoor, Blood Lodge interior ledge).
Freddy
If you liked old Freddy, they straight up removed your killer.
If you only like new Freddy, BT and Object have such scuffed interactions with your power it's amazing this ######### even made it live.
Pig
Despite having been pretty bad since her release, she has been nerfed enough times that she's a living meme.
Clown
The devs said they think he's fine. That's reason enough to be mad, really.
Spirit
Oh boy a new patch! Oh what's that? They broke sounds? Again? Whelp, guess I can't play my main!
Legion
Any time Legion mains find something fun to use, BHVR guts it.
Did you like old Legion? Gone. Did you like using on-hits in Frenzy? Gone. Did you like using Tinkerer and Frank's Mixtape? Gone.
Plague
It's entirely possible for a coordinated SWF to completely rob you of an entire roster of fountains by all cleansing at once. Why? ######### you, that's why.
Ghostface
You can be revealed while behind terrain. Even though it feels like lag, it isn't. This is hard coded into Ghostface's reveal mechanic. Also, we've been asking for baseline Pen for how long now?
Demo
IS BASELINE LIVER TOO MUCH TO ASK?
Oni
If you played PTB Oni, the heavy clunk-fest we now know annoys you with his presence.
Also, for whatever reason, at least one dev thought it wise to force Oni to look directly into the sky during his Demon Strike. Great.
Deathslinger
Not so much a "Deathslinger Complaint", but remember Gearhead?
Remember how they nerfed it immediately after PTB, but have left DS untouched?
This means the devs considered OG Gearhead to be more OP than DS.
Yeah idk man that rustles my jimmies a little bit.
Pyramid
Four years after the game releases, and we STILL can't code a ground-linked projectile that can deal with slopes without exploding? I could forgive Doctor on release since Slopes were somewhat uncommon when he came out, but COME ON NOW.
Blight
Oh look, a car! I'll bounce off of that and get the survivor!
Oh, nevermind. That car doesn't actually exist I guess.
Twins
Broadly gestures at everything
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Nurse right now is literal definition of "fighting bugs more than survivors". I used to enjoy playing her, but rn she's awful.
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Literally can't M1 for half a second after you blink half the time.
######### Nurse.
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Pig... Damn
If only they fixed her issues when is presented itself....
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OP forgot how devs "forgot" about Doc's broken chase music for 2 hotfixes already. If it doesn't get fixed in 4.4.0 , I'll be seriously mad
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... That Blight comment hits me right in the feels.
'Nuff said.
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I'm still upset about Doc's chase music being gone since the Eternal Blight event and him losing his Exhaustion add-on. Just make it an Iridescent King exclusive effect since a new add-on would break the current formula. I loved getting Survivors to tier 3 and downing them faster than normal because they couldn't fall back on an Exhaustion perk. I want to do that again, but with my favorite Killer! If they need that perk to do well, then that's on them, not me.
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The twins one made me laugh haha. That's about how I felt about them as well. They are fixing some things, but I am not sure it will be enough.
However they are new, so maybe folks will pick up some not yet discovered tricks....
As for Demogorgon....man I would love liver to be just built into his kit, but I doubt it will ever happen. I do like that his brown addons are so strong you never have to worry about using other addons haha, I have hundreds of everything else.
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The Twins: The only killer(s) in the game whose power is actively detrimental. Also the only killer(s) in the game with counterplay for absolutely everything their power can do. A link may exist...
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Freddy, I like both old and no. No complaints from me.
If PHs power could travel up slopes it'd be pretty ######### op. Take it from a PH main.
Nurse is... Yeah she's buggy but still fun a lot of the time.
Wraith is still very fun and still simpable.
Bubba is incredibly fun and very strong now.
It seems like you just wanna ######### for the sake of bitching for a lot of these, though some do hold merit.
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There are some valid complaints and issues in your post but overall it reads like you are just whining and trying too hard to find something for every killer.
And it’s not like survivor playstyle is perfectly implemented either..
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I think you're taking it way too seriously.
If you think that is what whining is; you may not want to read the forums too often lol.
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This made me laugh. Really good write up. +1
Hey, remember how when Ghost Face was released there was no Undetectable status and OoO totally cucked him? He's never had an easy time of it, has he.
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That was entertaining to read, and some of those hit in the feels lol.
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There are some serious issues here though. If it was all fun and games, why include those?
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Oh ######### yeah one more thing I forgot--devs have confirmed they're reworking clown next. Nice try though.
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Oh my, I haven't played since they released the first battle pass (i got bored not because they made a battle pass) and reading this just made me giggle
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I miss facing Nurses ;/
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Pretty much a full or at least half agree on all of these except Doc. The hallucinations were never meant to be more than an additional form of tracking. His true power is his anti-loop.
PTB Oni was just downright unfair and old Legion had to go. It was just broken and unfair. That said new Legion is pathetic and needs a full on rework imo.
And no mention of how outdated Micheal is?
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Old Legion and old Freddy weren't good or fun and I'm glad they were changed. Hard agree on everything else.
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I'd argue that new Legion or Freddy aren't particularly fun either. These 2 killers have definitely been the biggest failure from a design standpoint imo. Legion is impotent with no real power and Freddy is so strong with a power for every situation that he borders on boring to actually play. There's no incentive to even wake up against a Freddy without slowdown add ons. Such a weird design choice.
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I don't know why but i've seen quite a big spike in nurse players lately.Super weird
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You've got a point. Before the changes, both of them kinda encouraged tunneling by design, so I really do think they needed a change. But uh, yeah, the way they are now definitely isn't good either.
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I haven’t seen her at all, it really bothers me because I genuinely wanted to see what it was like facing a great Nurse. Since I’m on console they never really existed and now that cross-play is a thing, shes reworked/nerfed and NOW I WILL NEVER GET TO FACE A GREAT NURSE.
(Sorry, I got a little emotional there)
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I've been going against a surprising amount recently. Unfortunately I'm a solo survivor and any half decent Nurse can decimate a solo team. Nurse takes a lot of time to learn and lots of survivor knowledge but that said I have such little respect for pubstomping Nurse players.
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Oh boy have i seen some great nurse already since crossplay (i'm console too).
And i can tell you,you're just gonna get deleted in like 2 seconds.It's insane.
But i can respect that,because i know that the nurse invested a huge amount of time to be this good.
Unlike other killers >.>
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The Wraith comment is pure nonsense.
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4 Survivors to 1 Killer - who does BHVR care about more. Killer mains are like the runt of the litter that BHVR just ignores like a momma cat. They sometimes get in for scraps, but when it comes to climbing a stone step, she's picking up all the Survivor mains and walking off, while the runt sits there confused and whining and then finds some kind of work around on their own.
And like a toxic family where the parent has a favorite child. Every time the Killer does get something from their cat mother the survivor mains go "Why don't I get something too, this is broken and unfair", so they get an uneeded buff just to keep them happy. Also when survivors get nerfed, they are incredibly careful about it like the Survivors are this delicate flower that if the PH level is slightly off they are all going to die. So it's not even a nerf, they buff some other part so there really is no change at all, and make the changes on something that isn't even apart of the problem (looking at you Toolbox "nerf" (changes)).
Don't believe me? BHVR literally is trying to market that they are looking for Killer mains - because they're running out. They even had Samanimation make an ad for them where they constantly hint at searching for Killer (wink) Fog Whisperers.
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Tin foil hat territory. If BHVR didn't care the game would still be in the state it was 3 years ago.
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Wraith main here. He has a power, hell I'd say it's an effective one at times - Wraith is one of the few killers that SWF can't constantly keep an eye on. It's just that his power is terrible ineffective without add-ons. I don't think he needs a complete rework, I just want them to make him not so add-on dependent. Making him fully invisible at a specific range like Freddy would also be a huge help.
I'm more mad they haven't touched him in 2 years aside from bugfixes and status effect updates.
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I main Nurse at the moment and yeah map bugs and general random bugs are quite bothersome to deal with.
For Blight they need to make it so you can bounce properly off of stuff that doesn't have collisions at a certain height. If something isn't at his waist or higher you slide off of it randomly. A good example is a garbage can or bench on haddonfield.
100% agree on Doctor - Where are our cool hallucinations? They're not convincing enough to be hallucinations. I want a fake doctor running at survivors from around the corner.
Most of Wraith's addons should be baseline and his shimmer should be made completely invisible at far distances
Spine Chill shouldn't detect undetectable killers and suddenly all stealth killers would be stronger
For the most part I have some agreement with the rest of your statements and yes while we are nitpicking it feels like a good thread to get stuff off your chest so there you go.
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Doc's hallucinations shouldn't be hard to tell. They're strong tracking tools as they are.
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It's more of a flavor thing rather than a desire of balancing. Although personally as someone who enjoys Doctor and I get they're used for tracking I don't understand why they're meant to be a tracking tool. The Doctor is meant to make people scream to track them and cause hallucinations. In my view the hallucinations should charge a survivor and attack them and when touching them the interaction makes something visible for tracking. Would be more interesting that way personally instead of being a stationary ward.
Something along those lines anyway it's just so boring thematically having them just stand there for both sides.
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I'm sure BHVR has a personal vendetta against each and every Legion main.
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God what I would give for base kit liver
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Oh right. Why are all the Killer players leaving then? Why can't they get Killer players to stay?
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I've been here for 4 years now, I have no plans on leaving. These new killers that are leaving are just unwilling to learn to play better. They want their wins handed to them. They wouldn't last 5 minutes in 2017 DBD. If they're actually leaving out of "frustration" when killers have better perks, less pallets, and shorter loops than they ever had than DBD just isn't for them
There are still imbalances in this game, mainly perks and map design, but if thats enough to make you actually quit the game... sorry, but this game isn't for you. The devs ARE making strides to make non-viable killers stronger. Look at Leatherface, spirit and freddy. all killers that sucked when first added. But its a understandably slow process.
People were literally crying and screaming about leaving when the devs announced a BL TEST. A TEST that they specifically said was for 1 weekend to gather data. Too many killers regurgitate this toxic "killers are victims" mentality that is propgated by certain content creators that I cannot name.
You literally refused to even play the game when BL was disabled showing you don't even want to try to contribute to the devs attempts at making this game more consistent. Dont @ me
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Right because I am inclined to believe you from a forum post. Nah I'll just follow the statistic. Players who favor Killer are leaving fast, and players who favor killer are dropping out when they get the game. It doesn't look good, nor bode well for BHVR long term, which they know - which is why they want to change that - but have a hard time too because their survivor base is a massive group of entitled players at this point.
And I didn't refuse to play the game. I played the game. I played Survivor and never got sacrificed. Lol "don't @ me". Why even bother commenting then if you don't want a response, get out of here ya fool.
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Why does every post just have to be "here, a reason to complain, more things wrong"
Just enjoy thr game or dont play, smh. Forums should be "how to pull of flashlight tech, looping tips and resources, best killers and addons for new players."
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Devs literally said clown was getting a rework
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I've been playing a lot of Deathslinger recently in an effort to improve with him, so I have another one to add to this:
Are you or the survivors in your trial under the effect of the slightest hint of lag (or did the survivors all bring the ever-popular Dead Hard)? Congratulations, you are now playing an 110% movement speed killer with NO POWER!
The amount of times I've watched the chain turn orange and "miss" because it went THROUGH a survivor's model without spearing them has been ridiculous. At least when Blight's power doesn't work as intended I can still use it to get around the map... Deathslinger literally has nothing else.
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I mean this is the forums so... No surprise
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I just want to keep it simple. Fix the sounds. All of them. Make it so I can play blindfolded. That's all I ask.
Sincerely a Spirit main.
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True, I miss the Oni from PTB. Felt so much better back then.
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Cool nice stats showing a drop in killers.
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Look em up yourself. I am not your teacher. You're responsible on keeping yourself updated on the game you play. You're responsible for educating yourself. Grow up.
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Nice evidence. Btw people have been saying this game is "hemmoraging killers" since I started. Game still hits new all time player peaks every few chapters.
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They should have an option or offering/addon to play Old Freddy. I like New Freddy but I wanna play the old one as well :(
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I would say that the Legion thing is still hurting, but it would be a lie. I am just mad about it and hold it as a bad example of game companie decisions in mind. Since they gutted the Legion with intent to cater a specific part of the core audience (also a very toxic part imo) and forget about the players who had fun to play, or to play against the pre rework Legion (they have exist, despite how much even the named toxic part still trys to denie it today), I just chuckle sometimes, that a game that solds so well, can't hold its players.
Usually I would have sympathy with the game devs (hell I still even speak good about Bethesda), but not if they on purpose stomb game features and frighten away parts of their playerbase, just to cater a small part of their core aduience.
I am curious how long this will be enough. At least on this way I have something to read while I am searching for new things to buy on steam, or amazon :).
Edit: What the rest matters, so I think that is a good list, besides by 2 or 3 killers where it seems at least to me a bit exaggerated.
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I feel ya. Just a big ol'
I feel ya. Just a big ol' Ron Simmons "Damn"
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Legion couldn't stay in their launch state. That would have done more to speed up the death of DBD than any other decision the devs have made. The amount of oversight there was in regards to deep wound and moonwalking outright killer survivor gameplay for the entire time leading up to the rework.
That said I'm not even remotely satisfied with the current version.
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