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Are Gen Rushers a Community Problem?
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It's a fundamental game problem. The problem is there are so many bad survivors nowadays who do everything but gens so how can the devs address gens besides designing better maps?
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Perk buffs and or a Killer that can def do pressure on any group?
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Also I don't know why this thread is getting a lot of traction from people memeing back at each other with humility involved, those arguments are already invalid anyway. Adding humility back at other aggressors doesn't solve any issues, in fact it doesn't even add any input. We might just have to get some forum staff involved, I'm not taking sides here either I'm just stating that criticizing someone's character doesn't add any actual value. Gen rushing IS something that exists, some people just have their own definition of this term which brings in their own determination of it, where as few technical issues is are ones that do need to be looked at by the developers themselves. Flaws in design is something that do exist, we shouldn't ignore that and carry it on because it just gives you an advantage. Not reporting some problematic content the game has just keeps existing said technicalities.
Looking back at the playerbase's graphs I don't think staff would gain anything from banning people from the game, since we're at peak 50k players. People payed for the game and can continue to buy cosmetics so in a way you can help the company out so they can keep their servers up, however some criticism should be allowed and not silenced; it's a way to try and help make the game better.
Note the difference, back then there was more players. This was probably because of new survivors and killers being presented for upcoming DLC last year, well that and a few new cosmetics. These graphs count players on steam, but I could be wrong on that. This might not be counting console players or even windows store players. So correct me if I'm wrong, but this graph is the one that's up to date in terms of steam graphs.
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It's a game problem. You give players the tools to do something, they're going to do it. It's called dominant strategy.
Expecting people to play by rules of "honor" in a game is pretty childish imo. If something is allowed in the game it should be used.
This brings the fundamental issue to light: Survivors have it too easy. That's the main issue and will always be the issue. Always has been, always will be.
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You must stop this nonsense. I called you out on all your dishonesty.
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That is an obnoxiously huge image to convey a very rude message. You are not superman. Not at all.
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I don't care about being Superman my guy. 🤷🏻♂️ If I wanna give out Clown Certificates to people who wanna look like it I will.
You can't call someone out for something they don't care for I don't bend the knee to anyone. :)
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I think it's funny to compare when we were talking earlier when you were still trying to fake being honest and reasonable and "just asking a question" to you now. Yeah, this is the real you. Why don't you just stop? You're clearly just a trouble maker.
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- Wasn't being fake man you guys love making some delusional speculations about others now I see why people say the DbD community is full of toxicity and you and zack are validating it each time.
- The real me would be "Insulting" and "Roasting" you with 0 f*cks and 0 care and have I? oh no I haven't and why should I stop when the kid himself said "Its a waste of time" and said he would leave but comes back every time with responses despite conceding? if I wanted to be a trouble maker I would have started with the insults which I didn't so scroll up and read up before trying to do some bias criticism lmfao.
- so instead of trying to hop on me for firstly defending myself and secondly for commenting on my OWN post you should try to give some "criticism" to the guy who started to trolling aka yet again ZackDaylight because I dont have time for children.
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Thank you Voldemort!
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First post best post.
Look at all the low tier killers, OP. Whats the one thing they don't have. Mobility. Chase powers are good but pallets and loops/maps are getting progressivly nerfed for survivors. However mobility is still a major issue with map sizes what they are.
Some killers just do not have the ability to be where they know they have to be.
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Some perks allow that but its useless when the terror radius just straights up gives your position away because then the survivor(s) just run or hide and go back.
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I did. Doing gens isn't toxic or sabotaging gameplay.
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Don't try to gaslight me. This isn't a community being toxic, this is about quoting things you've said and and throwing them back in your face to expose your dishonesty and hypocrisy. And you're calling me the toxic one? You are something else.
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If you think so that's your opinion I explained it about 4-5 times already but ok. 🤷🏻♂️
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The only thing that survivors need to do to escape is toxic? You need to play another game imo, since all matches for you will be toxic.
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1. Wasn't gaslighting was stating an obvious fact.
2. The community is tho and you are furthering it with me by being so biased and ignorant. 🤷🏻♂️
3. You can't throw something back in someones face when they are "defending" themselves my guy that's not how it works unless you trying to have implications that I have no freedom to defend myself or have a freedom of speech?
4. Can't be dishonest or hypocrisy when I never was dishonested or being a hypocrite. 😂
5. Yes you are also something else when a member started to call me a small brain first and etc (which is by definition being toxic since you wanna throw the word you obviously don't know.) And here you are trying to state I can't defend myself Smh.
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You obviously proven you didn't once read my comments or the post.
>Post/Comments state that doing the objectives/escaping isn't toxic.
>clearly didn't read my detailed explanation about how purposely using Perks and Add-Ons to gained the ultimate advantage over a killer in a group (SFW+Chat) knowing damn well you can get gens done 2x quicker to end the match faster. (Isn't being toxic by sabotaging the killers time and experience)
But alrighty like I said your opinion.
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Would you also consider OP killer addons like iri head + tombstone, and moris "gameplay sabotage" for survivors?
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One takes time and has a nerf....
Moris aren't sabotaging.
You naming multiple fallacies that doesn't instantly hinder the survivors from beginning to end.
Michael has to Stalk and build up his tombstone but loses it once they are drained it's not as fast or close to Gens speed.
Moris are varied and have specific methods.....Gens don't.
Michael can't Instant Kill Survivors without fully stalking them numerously and has a limit.
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So moring a survivor after the first hook isn't sabotaging? Even tho it cuts your in game time more than 50%.
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That's legit depending on if the Survivor knows how to play or not.
You know how many people unhooked infront of killers?.....or when I play as Michael himself and see Survivors unhooking infront of me while I'm meters away?......
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- You're gaslighting again. Everything I've said about your arguments I have supported with quotations, zero speculation.
- How am I biased and ignorant? You are just hurling insults now with no basis. That speaks for itself. The only one here who is deeply biased and can't admit it is you, the one who asks a question but already stubbornly has their answer and argues with and insults everyone who has a conflicting view.
- I am accusing you of being dishonest not to be toxic, but because what you say conflicts with how you behave. You are literally being dishonest: It's not an insult, it's an observation. A rational person would clarify their stance and call out any misconceptions I may have (You're not doing this) whereas an irrational/toxic person would hurl insults back as a kneejerk defensive/guilty reaction (That is what you are doing) Also, you do not have freedom of speech here; these are privately owned forums, and you're subject to the rules here. You can be silenced at any moment (American?)
- You are being dishonest. You originally played coy and innocent, "just asking a question" but you have since devolved into passionately (and rudely) arguing your belief. It's almost like your original question wasn't a question at all, but an insinuation, and everything you have said since then proved such. You are very dishonest and you lack self awareness if you cannot see what you are doing. Just be transparent about how biased you are instead of pretending (and failing) to act like you're impartial.
- I don't care what the other member said to you. I didn't even read it. That's not my business. I think you are confusing the two of us, seeing as how you're insulting me with a level of toxicity that I have not levied against you. You're confused with who you're talking to. If you want, I can stop responding to you because you seem totally disoriented: You're fighting battles on multiple fronts, I understand.
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I think your definition of Gen Rushing is a little misused by the community. Most survivors tend to use second chances/chase/tracking perks. The ones that give bonus to gen speed a few and situational (Prove Thyself/Leader/Resilience/SC etc). People using this perks are usually trying to get the secondary benefits like vault builds or extra points.
Spawning in a map to have 3 gens done before you can down someone is not gen rushing, is lack of pressure. That is related to map size/killer mobility/rng. If you leave survivors alone they will do objectives, or at least should. This is the issue that requires BHVR attention, and that they've been working with map re-releases.
The toxic gen rush is leaving teammates to go second stage or die bc you didn't bother to leave the gen and rescue. That is an human issue that I think will never be fixed.
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Um so you agreeing its still a issue?
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Didn't truly read whatever biased/ignorant cesspool of false remarks you made.
Firstly whoever you are (don't care about ya btw) so....lets make some corrections from your falseness vs reality
- Never played "Coy" or "Innocent" i dont give a flying given ######### about that ######### LOL lets get that straight, being dishonest=me giving a fake personality which again YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME, I make/made it clear before and here you are STILL crying/whining as if you knew me for years lmfao.
- I don't need to call out ANY bs you state about me because I DONT CARE, I DONT CARE ABOUT YOU OR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW ME also no this isn't a "Privately owned" forum lmfao and being subjected to rules doesn't "Rid" my rights as a HUMAN BEING for my fight for freedom of speech online because as long as I'm not spreading HATRED around the forum (like Zack here is doing) then I can say what I want when I want because by your double standard logic you are against the multiple "Subjected Rules" for continuing it and not stopping yourself with such delusional responses.
- LMFAO you proven to being such a dishonest person by your own words: "I don't care what the other member said to you. I didn't even read it. That's not my business." So lets get this straight so everyone can see....if you don't care what he says then by your own logic you shouldn't be so triggered about what I said back lmfao! if its not your BUSINESS why are you here looking like a Cheerleader? ooooh and yeah DON'T REPLY its BASIC COMMON SENSE you sitting here acting like you are some "High Moral" member of the forum but just exposed yourself to being dishonest as all hell and equally immature as the other person so I'll say this once and only one MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS if it DOESN'T INVOLVE YOU DON"T ENGAGE.
End of this discussion period.
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There’s no such thing as tunneling that’s just killers doing their objective
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to piggy back.....there is no such thing as camping thats just killers doing their objective.
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Using the logic from ur edit, gen slowdown perks, freddys and any powers or builds which slow gens are a huge community problem.
I don't think there really is a problem these days, especially when you look at kill rates edging 60% these days, an astonishingly high number.
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I dont see the double egde sword gen slowdown perks barely do anything...and powers like those are either on cooldown or a limited uses.
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Of course there is such a thing as tunneling. That's one of several ways killers can do their objective. They can camp, they can tunnel, they can mori, and they can three hook everyone separately rather than focusing on one survivor via camp/tunnel.
Whereas survivors have only one way to do gens and that is to actually repair them. You think you're being a smart aleck comparing tunneling to doing gens but its not the same thing. Can you think of an alternative method to do gens other than actually doing them? Its why the gen rush label is nonsense.
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When survivors gen rush they they split up and stick on gens no matter what. Some going as far as to let their teammates die to do it
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Splitting up to do gens is the most effective way to get gens done. Explain why that is bad.
Leaving team mates to die on hook is just bad team playing. And its one less survivor for the killer to worry about. So I don't understand your point here.
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"Gen slowdown perks barely do anything"...
God i don't know where to start with that.
If they do nothing, why does every killer run etiher 4 gen slowdowns or ruin undying and claim you can't win the game without em?
And pretty much every killer power applies slowdown in some way, whether it be making survivors take time to disarm and crawl past traps and trails or forcing survivors to heal or do secondary objectives.
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Yes I do.
As a survivor I would love to have different objectives besides gens. That's why I think dull totems should give a small bonus to the killer (such as a stackable gen repair penalty per active dull totem) so that there is some sort of benefit besides score to hunt them. Or giving a reverse bloodlust effect to killers (after X seconds out of chase and not within survivor clues AKA scratch marks/blood pools you recieve a bonus to your mobility), so that immobile have a chance to navigate in big maps.
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Because they wanted to try to do their own version of anti-gen rushing? most are hexes which can be deactivated if found.
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If they were trying to find their own version of anti gen rushing and they couldn’t find it, then I’m pretty sure they woulda stopped using the perks by now.
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Tunneling someone is the best way to get a person out the game. Explain why this is bad
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You think focusing on one survivor, especially when DS is meta, is the best way to win. Ok. Good luck with that.
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That's debatable tho....
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How? Gen regression perks are clearly gamechanging. You would just never be able to tell with stats because killers who are better at the game tend to run less regression so will get on average the same amount of kills.
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Survivors=Multiple ways to Rush their Gens both Add-Ons/Tools/Perks
Killers=Perks only (plague is good at Anti-Gen but can still be stopped.)
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The real problem is not Genrush, is what Genrush generates in the community.
* +1.000H Genrusher knows the same that a 400h survivor Who look for chases, map awareness and looping. Hide and repair for the 90% of your Gameplay doesnt give you Game knowledge.
And this kind of players just cry on forums and Killers get nerfs and more nerfs, but the good survivors are becoming stronger every time BHVR nerfs Killers.
* The point 1 is the reason of this situation- Killers playing toxic 24/7
Now, Killers get mad and Play like fktards, not to win, just for torture Survivors. I LOVE chases, hook the tbaggy boy, give hatch to good surv and all that things.
But I dont like play with Noed on every killer, run Franklin on every killer, pick bubba and Camp the hook with insidious and using chainsaw all time.
This is the kind of killers that crying baby survs creates, not all, some of them are just pple with mental problems without fix.
The problem is not Genrush or Tunneling and Slugg, The problem is the Community, Who started this Big snowball a long time ago, and now we have the result of that rotten seeds we planted.
We need to end this endless circle of crying for everything and being toxic for everything
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Because survivor supplies outnumber those of killer......
Survivors have two perks, prove thyself and resilience, which affect gen speeds.
Killers have pop, corrupt, surge, thrilling, dying light, thana, ruin, overcharge, huntress's lullaby, opression,
Then there are others that don't directly affect gen speeds or apply regression but still help to prevent gens from popping by providing info such as tinkerer, bbq, trail of torment, discordance
THEN almost every killer power applies a slowdown in some form of another. Stealth killers make survivors wary, likely to jump of gens earlier and more inclined to heal. Oni makes survivors waste time healing. Pig has slowdown. Trapper, hag and demo make survivors go out of their way to locate and pop traps and portals. Nurse, spirit and blight down ppl at insane rates that it's hard to even find time to do gens against them. Doctor makes you mad, Legion makes you mend, Plague makes you one shot and need to cleanse, one shot killers significantly reduce chase times, deathsligner has a perpetial 18m threat range forcing you to be outside of it or out of his LoS.
Infact there's often slowdown going on in games which you woudn't even realise. Just because you can't see a gamechanging effect doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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