Survivors Waiting in the Endgame
After years of playing I've switched to Freddy and I've finally hit rank 2, yet I still suck and get beat hard. When that happens I go to the corner of the map and wait for the survivors to just open the gate and leave. But they don't. They follow me to the corner and just stand behind me for five minutes.
If you do this please stop. Just end it. It's already over. Two hooks by the end game with no kills isn't a fun game for me and I'm ready to do something else.
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or the people who sit on the hatch with a key for 9 hours. Just earlier had someone do that. I just hatch, then patrol doors, then I remember they have a key. Halfway through the EGC I check the hatch and sure enough she's just sitting there. Why do people do this? Seriously. Dick move
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It's a raging dick move. It's not enough they just humiliate us they make us watch as they do it. I hate it and I dislike them. They're jerks.
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It's not when a killer gives up instead of playing. Heres what you do. Play trapper learn how to mindgame and how to become a sweaty killer and then go back to freddy. He carried you against all of those trash survivors who dont know he can be pre throws hard against.
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Ah classic whataboutism.
Also randomly insulting other users for their choice of killer.
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I see no reason why a Killer whipped as soundly as he was should continue except to stroke Survivor ego some more and pad game scores. He clearly can't get them, and they know it.
His options here are pretty limited.
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I've played Trapper and Ghostie extensively to learn the mindgames. After playing those two, I don't think there's anything more I have to learn. I've already looked up videos and practiced running every tileset in the game, which is even better now that many of the god loops have been removed. However, playing normal games during the day is nothing like playing after 10.
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Ahh it's been a minute since someone tried to hit me with he "whataboutism" stuff. You tell me. Do you think its fair for him to give up instead of getting better? It is the equivalent of a dc, it ruins the game for others, it subjects the survivors to gen simulator.
I know who you are you love killers and cant see any flaws to them. Also I never insulted his killer I play a bit of freddy every now and then. What I did say is that if he wants to get better play a weak killer learn the basics of the killer role itself (mindgames, pathing, iq stuff like when to quit chase).
But alright please try and come at me again I dare you.
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Exactly. There are just unwinnable games. I don't mind that they exist but I wish they could just end as soon as possible. It's not like I'm new to the game. I have a vast array of perks and have been playing for years. But some games they have even better perks and you just know they're on discord.
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I never said he has to stroke their egos, Versing better survivors makes you better. If eh gives up against any good player how I'd he gonna improve? You tell me.
His options aren't limited he has ######### he can do.
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Sorry but if you vant handle pub survivors with freddy I doubt you understand how to do mindgames that will work on survivors. Especially pub survivors. I think you should watch otz and see how he plays. You can watch the videos but you may not be applying it now. I still 4k my games at rank 1 as killer it's easy when you got the basics to fall back on.
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What if he doesn't WANT to? What if he just wants the god forsaken nightmare to end?
This is why I think games should have a hard time limit. 20 minutes, maybe 30 minutes.
He should have a better range of options than:
1.) Get bullied
2.) AFK them out till they get bored
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3.) Leave match and take the DC penalties
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This is a large part of why I bring Blood Warden. If I'm outclassed I'll single out/injure a survivor and down them when the EGC timer is nearing 30%. The emboldened sweat squad will save their teammate the moment I step away.
Oh no.
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I really don't think there's any more technical expertise I can improve on. I've hit my cap. I rewatch and think through my games and it's basically the same problem: all of the survivors know how to run shacks and there are too many pallets on some of the older maps. If survivors are determined to stay on gens, then the game is sealed in the first two minutes while I'm fooling around with one. A two minute chase at the beginning is reasonable. The second option is to egress chase- but that comes with the fact that I just wasted my time, the survivor will now heal, I need to find a new survivor, and I'm still losing two gens even if I find another one right away. Three if I don't. The opening is hard.
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I would suggest to not give up and force them out. People can taunt yoy like his because you let them. Don't let them.
I know i've had matches where all survivor are alive at the end game and then all died because they didn't leave.
Hell put on bloodwarden and really teach them not to do stuff like this
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Exactly!!!
Endgame builds are good. I might try one on Freddy. I have one on Trapper and it's a lot of fun and I don't get bullied.
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You clearly have never seen me talk about the twins if you think that.
Also you literally went on about changing the subject to learning trapper(Aka whatabout learning trapper) then insulted him for playing freddy.
Also if you paid attention he said he was waiting for the exit gates to be finished aka he had already lost the generator and unless your advising him to down then face camp the last survivor so he can get a single down then him going afk or not doesn't matter.
Aka: He had already lost and without excessive camping/tunneling couldn't get any kills and needless to say face camping in end game won't help him improve.
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Well if he doesnt want to improve at the game this post should not exist. He shouldn't complain about being bad. You see his dumb that sounds?
Pretty sure it already exists it's just absurdly long. I'd say 40 minutes to an hour.
Getting bullied makes you better, you should not be handed wins.
Afk does not make you better he should never do this.
Leave match fine I can accept this because if you arent having fun you should leave.
So either leave or get better is the only two he should have or any killer should have.
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Once again if you cant beat pub survivors as freddy you have not reached your cap. Most survivors get mindgamed by simple fakes at shacks big exaggeration on your part. Older maps are balanced most good killer and survivor mains think so.
Yeah staying on gens wins but once again this is pubs not tournaments so you wont see actual optimal teams except for once in a blue moon.
I think you are overestimating how fast these pub survivors are doing gens I'm sorry but that's not gonna happen if you are good and bring corrupt atleast if its that much of a problem.
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I don't believe that's true about getting better by being bullied. That has nothing to do with improvement. It just feels bad. I don't think you were insulting me for playing Freddy but I need a real solution. I can't leave or I take a penalty. I actually did leave earlier and I got a penalty so I can only do it once a day.
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People are ######### heads don’t worry about, if they are doing that just walk away from the screen for a few minutes.
lt does happen both ways
l played a bubba the other night he downed two of us at the end (we didn’t split which was stupid) he picked me up, it was my first hook and continued to chainsaw me on the hook till l died.
l dunno why, he had the 4k but still wanted to chainsaw me on the hook.
sometimes it is what it is.
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I havent seen you talk about twins but from what I've seen you seem to love defending killers.
It was on subject he said he sucks so I gave him a tip on getting better but keep talking about whataboutism. Never insulted him for playing freddy. I just said freddy carried him. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a reason for him not being able to handle these survivors he hasnt mastered the basics and a killer like freddy is bad for beginners trying to improve.
That's my fault. I see now but I'd still try and fight til the end. I've ended up with more 3ks from just continuing to play. He doesnt even have to face camp he could just work on winning chases and trading hooks.
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When I say getting better by getting bullied, I mean learning what better players do, adapting to have they play and learni ng to counter it. It feels bad but throwing yourself into the fire is good sometimes. The only real solution I can give you is run hella slowdown til you can win chases faster.
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"Most survivors get mindgamed by simple fakes at shacks"
Only if you're playing new people. I've been playing for years with a few breaks between. I've seen the skill generally rise on those. From anecdotal experience alone this week, you're wrong. Nothing else to say. Good survivors can maintain a shack chase past more than a few fakes and that's while they're blind due to being in the Dream World so I don't have a red stain.
"Yeah staying on gens wins but once again this is pubs not tournaments so you wont see actual optimal teams except for once in a blue moon."
This is also a blatant lie. A few days ago I was rank 6 and going up against two back to back SWFs with an OoO on each team and they were on comms(I asked after the chat to make sure). They were extremely difficult and decked out exactly as they needed to be. That was ranks ago and the skill level has only gotten more difficult to compete with. Like I said, playing past 10 at night it's a whole different game.
"I think you are overestimating how fast these pub survivors are doing gens"
I'm running Oppression and Pop for stall, that should be enough. I can teleport to gens and I run BBQ as well. This should be more than enough but it's not. I should have taken a video of the game I played against console gamers. I assume they were comm'ed up because they were trading off hits and baiting me to the opposite side of the field for a chase. I got down to the last gen and there was nothing I could do. It was over by then. In the first two minutes they had three generators worked on. By around the third minute one was completed, two more were over 90%, and another was beginning to be worked on. By minute five it was basically over and I knew it. I chased one guy for about half the time and hooked him twice. Each time he got unhooked he was healed nearly instantly (no medkits, I assume perks but didn't stay to check).
Are you going to pretend you've never faced a team like this?
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Ugh, at least the Killer can force the game to end by opening the gate? Chase them out?
It's more than you can do than against a Bubba sitting in front of your hook or one of those slug fests where the Killer decides to let everyone bleed out. As the Killer, you can always do something to push things along.
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Yeah I understand. I hate it because I'm always sure to play nice. I accept surrenders and tokens of peace and I usually let the last player go. I just wish people wouldn't go so hard on me because that's not how I want to play. I feel like a punching bag as killer which seems extra bad.
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I’m not sure in the OP’s case what there is left to “give up”. The survivors opened the gate and have effectively won because there is nothing you can do to stop them from leaving. So honestly telling the OP “Don’t give up” is pretty pointless.
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I think there should be an option for the killer to just give up or disconnect in such cases without penalty. Unlike with survivors disconnects, killer is playing alone and by giving up he's not breaking the game for his team.
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Y not just open the gates?
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You probably dont hit your cap. There are not many people who reached their cap in anything.
I bet when you show your gameplay and get advice, you can still improve.
Dont get me wrong i think good survivor are too strong against most killer and they shouldnt be toxic, but dont say you cant get better. When you dont want to get better, its a different story.
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This is a good point. I usually chase the survivors out, just to finish things up and maybe get a free hit and some points, but, if it's super obvious they want me to come look at them -- like, if they're spamming loud noise notifications or something -- I don't go. The magic of EGC is that they have a limited amount of time to mess around so, if you want the game to be over, open the gate before you go stand in the corner. Get your gate opening points and guarantee the match will end no matter what they do.
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Exactly!
If I got stomped, I avoid the door. I look for pallets to break and spam my power to get more points.
Fk em, they have 2 minutes to hop into lockers if they are those types of people.
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It's a douchebag move from them, but videogames do attract all sorts of douchebags. It's something that you will have to get accostumed to until it doesn't bother you anymore.
There should be a concede option for both killers and survivors. Unfortunately, as it is, opening the gate is the option for killers and suiciding for survivors. Both of which require some cooperation from the other side.
If you're gonna concede at any points, always open the gates if they're powered.
Then you can either chase them out or go to the farthest corner while facing a wall and watching YouTube. Remember to face the wall, so they can't get chase point and will be more inclined to leave.
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I'll dare...
Your initial reply adds nothing to the conversation other than to say that the OP was carried by their choice of killer and that they need to LTP by choosing a "weaker" killer to play so they can learn the game.
It also says its ok to harass and taunt someone if they give up because at that point they deserve it, which basically is bullshit.
Its not "whataboutism", but it is an arrogantly worthless set of statements
If the killer gives up then by all means power through the game and leave, you are in no way justified in, or gaining anything by, taunting them for it. Which is what the OP is complaining about.
Within that scenario its possible to offer advice on how to improve without belittling someone while you do it.
The post comes across as a slightly more wordy "GIT GUD" with a pro bully theme, which is about as helpful as a condom machine in the Vatican.
Also you can learn all of the things you are suggesting using Freddy as, when it boils down to it, he's an M1 killer.
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This post is not about skill. He's not asking for a win of any kind. He's asking for the game to END, and as it stands his only option in his control is to take a DC penalty, which is hardly fair.
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As killer I love to see survivors:
- Die on hook
- Leave the game if they win
- If they hang around at exit give hits and downs before you crawl out
That's about it.
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Why don't you open the gate? Or better yet, if you know you just switched to Freddy and you're still learning, why not stop pouting in the corner and just work on what you can work on?
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At some point we have to accept that there are unwinnable games, and the circumstances that make those games unwinnable are fairly objective and consistent for everyone. I really don't know much more I could have done. Even if I were playing with them all highlighted the entire time I don't think I could have gotten a single one finished. Like I said, half the game I had full visibility on the target and they still took me around for half the game. The last half was just trying to stop gens sliding out from underneath me.
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"Why don't you open the gate"
I didn't think they were going to hang around for five minutes and I was ashamed to be near them so I didn't even want them to see me again. Even if I did open the gate they would just keep vaulting in front of it.
"just work on what you can work on"
Which is what? I have a build, I'm running add ons, I have decent perks, I know how to run all of the tilesets to cut them off but they're all so close they could just lap to the next tileset. Shack is painful and even D tier survivors know how to get some value out of it. S,A,B,and C tier players can easily milk that one tileset. Pallets were the big issue, I may have run some perks to counter it but I doubt it would have mattered since the main survivor that was looping me relied mainly on vaults, which are just unavoidable. BT and DS also slowed me down tremendously. They knew they had BT so they body blocked me from attacking their ally. There is no recourse when that happens. DS was my fault, but I thought if I forced it out early I would have less to deal with later on and if they didn't have it I could prevent a heal. Terrible choice.
The whole game was an exercise in being forced to make bad choices on a time crunch.
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The solution is simple, play survivor it’s a lot more fun
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It's easier, but it's not really fun for me. I used to play with my brother and we'd always win even if our two mates got knocked out in the first few minutes of the game. I think it got stale for him but I'll try to rope him back into it. I think maybe it's just too easy when you know people on your team. I may do that though, I could use a morale boost.
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From my own anecdotal experience I can say that yes its true. Good survivors can maintain shack a shack chase. Also you can still see Freddy's stain in dream world. The problem here is that there is not many good survivors. Pubs is bloated with fake red ranks and anybody can tell you that. I highly doubt you consistently go against some really good survivors on average.
OK you faced a minority. Tournament teams in pubs are extremely unlikely you just got lucky, should I rather say unlucky because I actually enjoy versing good teams I am guessing you don't. I play all the time late and morning don't seem to bring any sweatier survivors it just depends on whether I am lucky. The last coordinated team I beat was on blood lodge with oni and corrupt 1.
Run corrupt,pop, bbq. You acknowledged you were being taken away from gens and yet you still did?? You made mistakes in the game and it seems like you won't talk about that. Record your games and see what you are doing wrong. If you notice them on coms you adjust how you play, play more dirty, proxy camp and confirm second state. Freddy counters bt, so you don't have to worry about that. When you say there was nothing you could do, there definitely was. What map were you on?
I have faced teams like that, except I can put them out quickly because I am confident in my skills and minimize any mistakes I make.
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I pointed that out because if he is giving up in game he clearly is not in a rank he is supposed to be in. Learning the weaker killers helps your basic killer skills which is needed for all killers.
I never said its ok to taunt someone or harass them so don't put words in my mouth lol.
I'd say that's an opinion but alright.
If a survivor gave up against a slinger guaranteed they would get crucified and called toxic for not wanting to face a killer "they can't bully". Also despite the fact op gave up in the end which I will say is not that bad, I still think giving up mid game won't help them improve, survivor is also already boring enough with the fact the devs keep designing these new killers horribly, so we have to do gen simulator enough. A killer giving up mid game just discourages playing survivor.
I was not trying to belittle him, I was being blunt.
Yes he does need to "git gud" he's struggling with Freddy against pub teams.
Freddy has an overtuned basekit, only good teams will make him m1. Which btw aren't common in pubs. He has so much going on for him, free map teleport, anti loop, passive slowdown in addons. He is the perfect killer for new players to cheese off of. If that aint a bloated basekit tell me what is.
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I mean he said he sucks so I gave him a tip to get better. If he wants better games where he is not wishing the game would end he should improve his killer. The best option is to not give up and throw himself into the fire.
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There are surely some unwinnable matches. But i hear so many people say it was unwinnable, its not possible. I have over 2000 hours and this matches dont happen often.
It could be that you had one of this rare unwinnable matches, but it doesnt mean you could play better.
When i was at 500 hours i knew a lot of the game, but compared to now its a huge difference. There is always something to learn.
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"It's not when a killer gives up instead of playing". Your direct response to a reply describing the behaviour of harassing someone who's given up as being a "dick move".
How is this not you supporting harassing another player in response to them giving up? If its not a dick move what is it?
If this is not you saying its ok to taunt someone when they've given up then you did a very bad job of not making that point. I'm not putting words in your mouth I'm quoting you. Did you forget posting that reply? and if not did you not realize what you were saying?
Being blunt 101
"You've obviously hit your skill cap and need more practice at rank two <-- (blunt part), try a perceptively weaker killer to force you into practicing skills you may not have mastered with your current killer, Killer X is good for this as they are generally seen as blah blah blah" <-- (Constructive part)
Being belittling 101
"You were carried to that rank by the killer you chose and don't belong there, play a different killer and get good"
See the difference in these two statements and how one is constructive and easily interpreted where the other is not constructive and argumentative.
Here is your original quote, in case you forgot again <-- (snide and belittling)
"He carried you against all of those trash survivors who don't know he can be pre throws hard against".
Belittling statement insulting to both the killer and survivors he faced while assuming a great deal and offering no constructive feedback. This is why people are arguing with you.
Never dare someone to throw it back to you when your first pitch was a dud to begin with, especially if you struggle with making a clear point in written text <-- (Blunt).
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I read you first post again. You reached red rank not long ago. I dont want to be rude, but now im certain you didnt reach you skill gap.
When you really want to get better, you can show me your gameplay and i tell you what your mistakes are.
I hate to see people give up with the excuse of unwinnable matches. I dont say its easy or it will be easy, but you can still improve.
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Yeah, this is why when I'm done with a match, I go stand at the exit gate. The survivors will usually just do gens and leave, though sometimes they'll try to get my attention. Of course, at that point I'm messing around doing something else and just occasionally looking up at the TV to see if they popped the last gen yet, so they're just wasting their own time while I do something that's probably actually a lot more constructive than playing a grindy video game. If I notice the last gen popped before they get a door open, then I get to the open the exit gate and force them out.
Sometimes, I equip Bloodwarden so I'm prepared for those games where the survivors decide to stick around until the last second to try to blind the killer or some other BS. Oh no, you got saved off the hook, darn, and you'll all escape before I can get a second hit in and... haha, jk. EGC is almost over and no one's leaving. Surprise! (Hopefully they take it in good fun? I mean, if escaping were truly important to them, they would've done it immediately, so dying to Bloodwarden should be an "oops" and laugh it off moment. I hope.)
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most survivors sit at exit gate for boldness points. They aren’t trying to be toxic they just want some extra boldness points to pip
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But .. bullying killers is fun ...
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You get zero Boldness points for teabagging. It is 100% to be toxic.
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