Pig: Mid tier, or Low tier?
Nobody was ever so crazy to say pig can actually be high tier, there's no way.
But the opinions on her are dividing, some say she's at the same level as trapper, and some say it's mid tier.
Pig: Mid tier, or Low tier? 88 votes
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Mid tier
He's not that strong of a killer but he avoids gen-rush a lot. With good addons, good perks and the game experience, you win and it's a gg, it's more or less medium level depending on how you handle it.
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Mid tier
The pig has flexible abilities and doesn't have reduced stats, is easy to learn, can slow the game down quite a bit by just downing people... definitely near high-tier but can't exactly be compared to the top killers
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Mid tier
For those who understand how to use her ability PROPERLY they understand that she is a mid tier killer. However those who don't know how to play her (constantly crouching at unnecessary moments in the game/tunneling those with a trap on) believe her to be low tier since they don't understand her power. At least that's what I've learned.
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Mid tier
Pig is pretty high in mid tier imo.
Versatile, multipower basekit - stealth, chase ability and base stall, actually quite reminiscent of Freddys kit. No suprise pig seems to perform so well compared to most other Killers.
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Low tier
Are you really really sure?
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Low tier
Remember: if pallets are thrown down early she's just a m1 killer
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Mid tier
imo as a used to be Pig main, her real power lies in her ability to slow the game down. Her ability to stealth is kind of a bonus
PS: most chases are literally M1 Piggy, pallets are the same for her as most other killers... annoying
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Low tier
That's why I think the dash should be longer and the whole ability reworked. (Pls devs remove tampered timer, for God's sake)
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Mid tier
Pig's chase ability is low tier, however, her traps are fairly substantial slow-down with a possibility of head pop. Even if the head doesn't pop it can make survivors play in such a way that they throw the game. Now when Pig is unlucky and all survivors get their traps off quickly and she only has her chase ability then at that point she is weak.
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Low tier
More low than mid tier I would say. Just like Freddy easy to play so Pigs killrate makes her look better than she is.
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Mid tier
If you're dying because of Tampered Timer than you must just have bad luck. Tampered Timer is one of the few viable Pig Add-Ons and it's still technically situational. Her power imo is completely fine, her add-ons need a look at but that isn't the one that needs looking at.
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Mid tier
I'm a pig main, but I rarely play killer (and I'm currently taking a big break from dbd). What I've found with Pig is that she's either ruthless or useless. Some games are brilliant, with huge amounts of pressure via traps and ruin + surveillance, but other games if I have a rough start then the game will go to rubbish and everyone will escape. No in-between.
So I'd say she's mid tier solely because of those strong games.
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Low tier
My problem with her, personally, is the fact that she's a little too perk-reliant to be fully saw-themed. The ability just... Doesn't feel right. It might not need a full rework, maybe a slight nudge would make her more aligned, maybe I'm dead wrong and she'd need a rework that'll never come.
Worse yet in rating her, most of her strength comes from having the right perks/addons, rather from innate strength.
Low tier, which is a shame, because I love her so, so much.
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Mid tier
I would place her in the middle really, but more leaning to mid tier. She just needs to be able to recover unactivated bear traps and she's fine.
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Mid tier
Her RBTs are really RNG reliant. For starters, they apply pressure to survivors, force them to waste time (a few boxes most likely, during which they won't be doing gens), let you ignore chases with them (timers stop counting down when in a chase), and give you some spots where they are guaranteed to be at. Her crouch is pretty good stealth, and her ambush can be really good at certain loops, especially shorter ones.
My guess of what BHVR was aiming for with her is a fire and forget killer. Stealth attacks are great for getting the first hit, not so good for chases (other than a few loops). For her hats, you can put it on a survivor's head and just ignore them. Unfortunately, this kind of style doesn't work in this game anymore. You need constant pressure and thinking tactically and plotting a stealth course is pretty difficult, especially without an ability to actually down survivors quickly. You get one hit and leave to spook some other poor chap until all the gens are done.
That being said, if you catch an injured survivor off guard, you can down and passively pressure them with the hats. Go against lower rank survivors and you can screw them over with the ambush, or even faking ambushes. You might end up tunneling a bit, but you can usually get at least two kills with her.
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Mid tier
She has a stealth capabilities and a lunge attack.
Surveillance is one of the strongest killer perks and is highly effective with Pig. Make Your Choice is also favorable.
Some of her add-ons, like Amanda's Letter, make her even more powerful.
Equip some other perks like Nurse's Call, and the Pig's combination of stealth and charging attacks are highly effective.
Her traps however, are seriously flawed and need work. As her 'main power', there is a lack of threat when having a Reverse Bear Trap attached to your head. This shouldn't be the case.
There are some great aspects of the Saw franchise which, license allowing, could really make the Pig feel an even more authentic play experience.
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Low tier
Focusing only on her power (no add-ons):
She has an unreliable chase tool / ambush ability, audio cue gives alert survivors more than plenty of time to react and reach the safety of a nearby window or pallet.
Her stealth sacrifices both FOV as well as movement speed, forcing her to crouch low to the ground where you can hardly see above tall grass, as well as slowing her down to 90% mov. speed, which is slower than a survivor.
Her slowdown tool is 100% RNG based. This works both ways but in general experience it's not an ability that swings a game on it's own, it can help snowball pressure but if you don't have that pressure to begin with it doesn't do squat. It's entirely unreliable because of it's RNG, it can take either all 4 attempts to take it off, or a Survivor gets it off on the first try. With no rhyme or reason for why, if you're a particularly unlucky pig, every survivor can get their RBT off on the first or second attempt. Making it effectively useless in those instances (which are not infrequent).
And as for the idea that "For those who understand how to use her ability PROPERLY they understand that she is a mid tier killer" like @ChurchofPig said, that's an appeal good players and player skill rather than the actual killer herself. The fact is that anyone can play a killer well enough to make them appear viable, or "higher tier" than they really are. If you look in the right places, you can find godly Trapper or Clown mains who are great at their killers, hell you can find good trapper or clown players with decently consistent results in their own matches, but when put into the grand scheme of the entirety playerbase top to bottom these killers simply are not consistent enough (or consistent in comparison to the alternatives) for the vast majority of players, hence why they are considered lower tier killers.
Pig is arguably the weakest of the 4 stealth killers. She's also (in my personal opinion) got the most stale gameplay loop of them all with very little to make interesting to play as or against her. What makes Dead By Daylight fun is the interaction between Killer and Survivor, but a major part of her ability is literally about leaving survivors alone to find a key in a Jigsaw Puzzle Box determined by holding M1 and RNG. Not interesting.
The only good thing about her, is that she gives stealth and / or high mobility killer mains one of their favorite perks of all time (surveillance). That's about it.
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Low tier
Tier L for laughing stock.
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Mid tier
My point when I made that wasn't so much if you're good at Pig or not. I just see a lot of people complain about Pig being really weak and then when you ask "If 1 or 2 survivors have a trap on their head, what should you be pressuring more? Gens or boxes?" They'll say the boxes, but if you're only putting pressure on people who already have pressure on them (regardless of when they get it off) instead of the people working on generators... you're still letting the game progress. I'd rather have 2 people trying to get off inactive traps than I'd have 2 people trying to get off active traps. That's only because it shows I'm keeping up pressure.
PS: I can agree with the 4 stealth killers part as far as Michael and Ghost Face, but Wraith is debatable.
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Low tier
I think Pigs strongest asset is that survivors always try to boop the snoot.
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Low tier
Low tier because her traps are way too RNG reliant.
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Mid tier
That's an interesting idea I haven't thought of. If she could pick up her traps after they've been removed, she would be able to keep her power throughout the trial. Instead of losing half her power by the endgame like Freddy.
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Mid tier
Innate slowdown that can get kills if you play your cards right, option to stealth even though slow, option to end loops faster even though not strong. She definitely ain't high tier but neither low tier.
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Mid tier
Only traps that werent powered mind you. Itd be a bit much to give activated ones bacj, they had worth after all
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Mid tier
Agreed. She's a very good killer imo if the person playing her knows what they're doing and she's my main as killer.
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Low tier
Disagree. I mainly play pig. I find her to be low tier. Purely RNG based and any half coordinated team turns you into an m1 killer easily. Do I 4k and win a lot of games? Sure. Does that mean Pig is good? Hell no. Pig is in serious need of buffs/rework
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Low tier
She has potential, unfortunately, because her power relies on RNG she is low tier.
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Low tier
I'm going to use this as a basis for the start of my reasonings for voting low tier.
Stealth Killers are not good in this game. Pig's vision is worse than Blight's while crouching, and has no peripheral vision. Her stealth is ruined by how much noise she makes when exiting it, as well.
The only stealth Killer that can even be considered Mid-tier is Ghostface, because his stealth ability doesn't slow him down to use, and can be used instantly in chase. So it's used not as a stealth tool in the traditional sense when it's most viable, which is in a chase with high walls. His terror radius disappearing doesn't invite the Survivor to run away because they can just get to a better loop like Pig's crouch does.
Ontop of this, he has an instant down ability in good scenarios (by good scenarios I mean a bug where the game doesn't register you staring at him). Meanwhile, the Pig's secondary power is entirely random and basically useless if the Survivors are lucky, but oppressive if they aren't.
Even greater, her stealth power almost never can get a free hit for her. Stealth Killers rely on the free first hit they usually get, Pig usually cant because of the loud noise and lack of speed she has. Going back to Ghostface, he never loses speed, and yes usually does rely on his crouch to approach, but his uncrouch is infinitely faster, and he makes no noise while uncrouching.
Pig also entirely lacks the abilities to capitalize on the slowdown her secondary power provides (given the rng is in the Pig's favor, which it usually is not), seeing as her main power makes her slower.
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Mid tier
Her stealth is best to used for grabs, not hits.
And combat straps being made as base kit would make her solid mid tier.
Yes, her traps are very RNG. And her crouch/rush can hurt you more than it helps in a lot of situations.
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Mid tier
Never said I don't think she needs buffs because she does. A killer can be mid tier and still be on the lower side of mid tier. She's definitely not on the higher end of mid tier. However to say that she's only m1 if survivors are even half coordinated is incorrect. If you play her super well then you should know how to mindgame loops and get hits with her dash. It doesn't always work, but it works more than you'd think.
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Low tier
Rng trap times heavily mess with her consistency. Her dash has rudimentary counterplay and positions where its strong most other killer powers are superior and more consistent. If any stage a pig is playing well players can resort to just throwing pallets down early. It sucks but eh at least your not at the bottom. Poor wraith
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Low tier
Rank 1 both sides. easily. I play her very well. She is certainly low mid-tier if we are going to call her mid. I'd place her in low tier. Her ambush is actually quite trash, though can be used mid looping. The poster above this nailed it, her consistency is far too pathetic to be considered anything but low to low-mid. You can win a game with ANY killer with great game sense... but you have to have some objective things to talk about.
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