Bar b que and chill - is it OP?
I think this perk has been discussed quite a bit, But here’s a common denominator with killers, most use it. Might as well assume. Forces survivors to use Kindred which only slightly offsets as at least it can giveaway the perk may be used. When you play watch how many killers use it. I will attest it’s most. Needs to be tweaked. There’s your sign, force killers to use some degree of skill and cunning. Not hook and then hone in on the next kill, hook, wash repeat...
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Are you new to the game by any chance?
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It's commonly used because it generates a lot of blood points just for doing the main objective, and because it's one of the meta perks in general.
It's not OP; it has counterplay and promotes non-camping gameplay.
It's probably one of the healthiest perks in the game.
You sound extremely new however; but also like you are not in the mindset of actually listening to anyone in favor of your own...opinions....so I am not sure if you are actually asking for the correct answer; or if you just hope someone will agree with your own.
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BBQ gives the killer an incentive to leave the hook. Aka reduces camping.
You sure, you want that nerfed?
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Let’s stay on the topic and not attack the commenter. That’s just a lazy and poor substitute for an actual argument or counter point. Its also hinges on trolling.
Healthy is an understatement. It’s in most killers toolkits. Interesting how you sidestepped my point about the high number of killers that use that perk. I cannot pin down a stand out survivor perk that I see we’ll say 75% using like bbq. Love to see the game data on that perk and the percentage of matches it shows up. Bet EYE popping...
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It's probably one of the most balanced perks in the game.
Most killers run it for the BP, which sacrifices a spot they could be using for another gen regression perk or better tracking perk.
The aura reading is only marginally helpful as the state of auras makes it difficult to see if a Survivor is on a gen when it's shown, a Survivor close to the hook is not shown, and Survivors can get in lockers to avoid being seen with it.
I'd be willing to bet that even if BBQ had the aura reading stupidly nerfed most killers would still run it because the grind in the game is absolutely ridiculous and most "killer mains" play both roles so they want to be able to go through Survivor blood webs as well.
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Honestly we should buff it to 200% bloodpoints, i rarely use its aura ability anyway since most survivors are hidden by gens
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Bait
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They could do that. So the killer would need to get 8 stacks. Which would reduce camping even more.
But only when WGLF also gets 8 stacks and here is the problem on how survivors could get those stacks realistically.
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U can't get 8 stacks when there's 4 survivors, u get 1 token per survivors first hook only
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Unless they change it from 1st hook to 1st and 2nd hooks....
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First and second hook. Only applies if someone else has been hook between those 2 hooks.
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No one attacked you. I asked if you are new. That's a normal question.
Also even if BBQ was used in literally 100% of all matches it would not be in need of a nerf because of how healthy its design is.
1) it reveals the aura of survivors that are more than 40 meters away from the position of the survivor you hooked. Using this information effectively forces you to leave the hook making it an anti-camp perk.
2) its bloodpoint bonus is generated by hooking EACH survivor once making it anti-tunnel to some degree.
3) you can easily hide your aura by sitting behind a generator, hiding in a locker or by waiting inside the killer's terror radius since BBQ only reveals your aura if you're more than 40 meters away from the hook.
4) even if your aura gets revealed the effect only lasts for 4 seconds. You can literally just walk in one direction for 4 seconds and then go the other way making it impossible for the killer to find you unless you leave scratch marks everywhere.
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Thank you for completely, and entirely proving exactly what I was saying.
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Hide behind gens, inside locker, distortion, off the record.
This perk has a lot of counters and it's just a 4-second aura. That's about it
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Are you new at forums? Let’s stay on the topic not the commenters. Petty and weaksauce substitute in place of any substance. So about BBQ... Nowhere near the only thread about this...
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Well, seems like the answer is obvious. You're either new to the game or just trying to bait. I'm not gonna fall for that this time.
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I repeat my question.
Are you sure, you want a perk that reduces camping nerfed?
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How about you comment on the topic. Seems to be hard. Seems to offer more than bonus points if most are using it. Out of lol their perk combinations, this one seems to show up A LOT. Geeee all for the bonus... that’s it, it’s barely viable. Why waste a perk slot for a measly BP bonus, disagree.
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" I cannot pin down a stand out survivor perk that I see we’ll say 75% using like bbq."
This proves you're new. Which isn't a bad thing no need to get insulted over it. We are were new at some point.
Bbq is actually on a whole a very weak perk. people only run it for the bp bonus.
To beat BBQ you can
- sit in a locker for 4 seconds after someone's been hooked
- Hide behind a generator, the aura of the generator hides your aura
- Be within 40m of the hook
- Or if all else fails walk 4 seconds in one way and then go the other way
Do one of these simple things and the killer wasted a perk slot
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why is the perk that helps killers get more bloodpoints the most used..? Huh i wonder why, The perk is fine and those others who “sidestep” your question, you kinda sidestep their reasoning why bbq was fine, the perk is fine and requires skill, you have to get a hook, is that not having to use skill? You say get a hook see someone go to them get a hook and repeat but its more like, get a hook (might not see anyone if they go into a locker) go to them, they begin looping you, you waste 45 seconds chasing them and get the down, go to hook them and by then 2 gens are about to pop.
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Even if it would't have Aura, i would still use it. And i wouldn't use it for just aura, without bloodpoints.
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Only because a Perk is used often does not mean that it has to be nerfed. This was ONE point when reworking Ruin, but not the sole reason for the rework. Most players run BBQ for the Double BPs and not for the Aura Read. If they would move the Double BPs to Thrilling Tremors for example, most players would use Thrilling Tremors.
If they would remove the Aura Reading from BBQ and double BPs would be the only effect, most current bBQ-Users would still use the Perk I guess.
The only problem I have with BBQ is that it should encourage to go for different Survivors, but it really does not do a good Job on that. You can camp and tunnel 1 Survivor out of the game and still get your 4 Stacks of BBQ. Like if you promise a kid some sweats for being a good kid, but give the sweats anyway when it does not behave.
But I dont see any reasonable solution for that, and even if I would think about a solution which would truely encourage the Killer to not tunnel or camp while not being abuseable by Survivors, it would probably too complicated to waste time on that. So it is whatever.
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Exactly! There's so many better tracking perks or combos of gen perks that could be used that BBQ with only auras is pointless. BBQ with in the bonus BP would still be one of the most used killer perks. Unless the Rank Reset BP actually massively helps reduce the grind.
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Yep and how many killers use it ironically proves its mainly used for the BP as BBQ's aura reveal is near useless on killers like Trapper/Hag as they are set up killers who can't realistically use the aura reveal to any real advantage most of the time due to needing to rebuild/adjust their traps.
Mind you there's more killers were the aura reveal is nearly useless on like Deathslinger/Clown due to being too slow and with limited effective range on their projectile.
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BBQ literally needs skill, it does nothing if you can't hook survivors. It's very healthy for the game, discourages camping and leaves survivors ways to counter it. If killer sees your aura, you are far from them and have a lot of time to get away and hide.
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It’s for bonus BP this why so many use a whole perk slot for it. Check. I don’t agree with this. Seems like a waste of slot if supposedly that’s all it’s good for. Seem ONi, demo, nurse, ... use it very effectively.
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Well, since i keep stats again after the mori change, i can say that in my last 45 games BBQ was present in 9 games.
At least to me its far from overused. And while i know that its a small sample size, i do actually have stats of my games, and dont have to depend on me feeling its too many.
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I am sorry but Demo...Seriously?
They are a set up killer who generally speaking won't have portals set up near where most revealed survivors due to how slow it is for demo to set those up along with how easily they are destroyed.
Plus if they are close enough to an active portal(Aka ones that survivors can see and interact with) you can hold shred to see them anyways.
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love to see the whole data on this perk. One person said they don’t see it much. Ok. Not on this end. Usually surprised when it’s not present, that’s usually because they have more viable perk for their killer instead. I think there’s more going on here than bonus BP. If it wasn’t an effective perk I don’t think the BP would be worth the slot. Being able to have an idea where multiple survivors are outside a modest radius from a hook certainly has to offer some value. Certainly kindred is useful, the survivor comparable to bbq, except BBq also gets bonus BP...
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I use BBQ on Hag for bloodpoints only and I'm perfectly fine with that. Without BBQ bp grind is disgusting.
BTW, post is a bait, OP is a troll.
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"In my last 45 games, BBQ was present in 9"
Thats 9/45, or 1/5 of all your games. That's only 20%. How is this overused?
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"Not hook and then hone in on the next kill, hook, wash repeat..."
That is exactly what you have to do though, killers are generally pressed for time.
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As a survivor main, I have no problem with the perk especially since it counters camping.
What I have a problem with is survivors who have not figured out that 90% of killers run it. So they sit there on a generator while a post-hook Billy flies across the map and insta-downs them. SMH.
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I have absolutely no problems with BBQ as a survivor - it's an earnt perk, it's useless if the killer doesn't hook anyone and it's also completely outplayable as the aura reading is for such a short space of time, it's also countered by lockers, faking directions etc.
Also, I dispute the fact that it would require survivors to run Kindred, in fact the opposite is true - usually survivors run Kindred to show the killer around the hook, the opposite is the case for BBQ as it actively encourages the killer to leave the hook and go after a survivor usually at a distance a way to put pressure on the map/gens. Always assume a killer has BBQ it's pretty easy to tell if they do after the first hook - you know that if the killer gets immediately into a chase at the other end of the map after hooking a survivor that it's pretty obvious BBQ is in play.
BBQ is incredibly healthy for the game!
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👏Give👏us👏stacks👏for👏healing👏other👏survivors👏
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But then I wouldnt have the excuse of stacks to farm my swf mates off of the hook when it's just funny to hear them get angry as they get tunneled D:
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Sure BBQ can be get really oppressive with high mobility killers, but apart from that the aura being shown (if any) is often neglectable, or there are other perks working better, if it wasn't for the bonus BP. E.g. if you want to find survivors working on a gen, Thrilling Tremors or Tinkerer work way better than BBQ (and being even more oppressive with high mobility killers as well). If you want to be relatively sure that no surv is near, IF will tell you. With BBQ you can only be sure if you see all other survivors auras. Which rarely happens.
BBQ can even work against the killer, luring the player away from the hook just bc there is a survivor shown across the map, when it would be wiser to stay in the area (bc of high profile gens or whatever). This effect is even incresed with BBQ+POP.
Long story short, most seasoned killers will only equip it bc of the bonus BP, let me assure you that (being an experienced killer myself).
Edit: Currently, I'm using up my cakes and BPS on my PH so I can prestige him. I have NO BBQ on him, which is sad bc of the missed BP. But it does not hurt my performance in killing at all, seeing no auras after a hook.
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When I started playing this game as Survivor main, I also find BBQ is annoying. But when I started playing Killer, its far from what I thought.
To my thought, BBQ is OP to many (newbie?) survivors because it can constantly putting pressure on survivors. As 1 on hook, killer can immediately find another survivor to chase, and for new survivors they barely make chase 30sec long. Which cause hook after hook.
Rancor is more dangerous. Completely ignore a survivor, to 1 hit kill in end game.
Bitter murmur + Noed is more dangerous. All then done, 1 survivor go do right away
Nurse calling is more dangerous. You can not heal
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That would be an option. But they´d have to test it first. What happens with SC? Would you get stacks for healing yourself?
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Here a thought say you change bbq and take off the 100% bp gain effect. Do it for about 4-5days. See if its run at all. Bbq is literally a bloodpoint boost thats it. The aura read is rarely ever useful since it super easy to counter via lockers or just sticking within the the massive 40 meters. In most cases a killer cant reach the survivor in time to make the aura read worthwhile unless the survivor stands still.
I have turned to running thrilling tremors alongside bbq just because of how unreliable it is. I guarantee you if wglf stack could build up more naturally its use rate would skyrocket. The bp grind is horrendous in dbd bbq makes the killer role, (a role that relies heavily on perks to slowdown the game and snowball) more accessible as the grind is dramatically reduced i have taken chases to secure my fourth stack of bbq over killing another player just for the bp. Why would you want to change that?
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Nope,you would only get stacks for healing other survivors.It would stay in line with the overall altruism/protect your team theme
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That would reward healing builds.
I like it!
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lol
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Fun fact, those four little stacks work as my personal in-game goal by now since playing for the win or 3/4k gets way too stressful in higher ranks for a casual player.
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No, it's not op, it's 100% counterable.
Survivor main btw
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Ds is used almost every match. Bbq is not bad. Just go behind a gen or in a locker. When I was new I thought the same
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Of course not, you're just unaware.
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nothing said is “bait” or trolling. Commenting on other posters instead of staying on topic is however textbook trolling. Seems like a huge waste of a supposed useless perk slot for some BP. Point is it is far from useless. Use kindred and you can see the killer scan and hone in on someone. Yeah hillbilly finds bbq useless fo sho, pft!
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You know what happens when I play a killer that doesn't have BBQ unlocked yet? Hooking feels pointless. The number of times I slug survivors to death just because I don't have BBQ... Talking to other players, I'm not the only one who feels that way. Yeah, you don't want to nerf that perk.
BBQ is healthy for the game. You want killers to hook survivors, and then you want killers to leave the hook. That's what BBQ promotes.
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Well at least you’re not trying to sell it’s useless except for the BP. A good team can beat a camper, gen gen gen. Ok so one maybe becomes the sacrificial lamb, can realistically get 3+ gens while someone is camped especially if the other 3 are roving from gen to gen. Not buying it’s only good for the BP, gee you can see where all the other survivors are just by hooking someone. Hmm yeah umm useless, riiiiight.
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