If you are one of the few survivors that doesn't immerse when it's down to 2.....
First I say thank you. I appreciate another survivor that still tries to finish the objectives and escape.
Second thing is I have a suggestion. If you are downed and the other survivor has been doing nothing but hiding don't wiggle when the killer picks you up. Many killers quickly realize you are giving them the opportunity to find the survivor that's doing nothing but hiding and they are very happy to do so.
While I would say a survivor has the right to go immersive in that situation I have the right to have zero respect for it and try to make sure that strategy doesn't pay off for those that do it.
It always feels like a win when I get that final survivor caught in that situation. Frequently it even turns into an actual win, because I think a lot of killers understand and appreciate what I am doing and they drop me off at the hatch after the other survivor has been hung.
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Might as well get some gen points, take a chase and improve emblem instead of hiding unproductively in a corner
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I completely agree with you. My biggest issue with it is that it is intentionally throwing the other survivor under the bus. The only time I ever intentionally sabotage another survivor is if I see them doing it first. At that point I will go out of my way to throw them under the bus.
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I detest when the last 2 just give up, both hide, and then waste everyone's time. I will always work on a gen or make saves until the very end.
If we got to that point and lost the game then I don't deserve the hatch anyway. The killer earned his win.
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Yeah, I always work on objectives until I am dead. Work on chases when I am spotted.
But, please killers, when you keep finding me doing gennys, hook me.
I don't want to lie on the ground while you search for the cowardly #########. Let me start a new match!
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I feel this. When there's only one survivor left other than me and i'm being chased for like 2 minutes, the other survivor is just crouching in a corner or goes from locker to locker to don't get crows.
When i'm playing killer and i'm getting looped by a survivor and no gens popped for that duration, i down the survivor and i let him give me directions to where the last survivor is hiding and i will give him the hatch after that. He deserves it more than the one hiding
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I completely understand where you are coming from with this. I suppose the killer has no way to know for sure that other survivor is hiding in a locker or a corner, but I hate laying there slugged while another survivor is doing that. I don't mind laying there buying them time if they are trying to finish that last gen or if they might even attempt to heal me. That's the one time if I had the option to message the killer during a match I would do so and tell them exactly where the other survivor is hiding.
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I love that. I don't mind if the killer kills me, but I particularly enjoy when that other survivor gets to see that not only did their selfish tactic not work for them, but the killer actually gave the other player the hatch due to their selfishness.
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I personally don't mind stealth, just when it's done right.
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Yes.
Thank you.
For not being like this.
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I ll play immersive. I usually have plunderers so i ll go raid chests looking for pink keys which with plunderers is about 1 in 8 chests I get one. So i have a way of escaping if the killer finds the hatch first which always seems to be the case. I will however still go for saves if the other survivor is hooked. I won't sit on hatch unless I know the carried survivor is on his 3rd hook.
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...And if you get hooked, please think about trying to give the other survivor (who was productive) the option of the hatch. ESPECIALLY if the survivor is teabagging to let you know that they are near the hatch.
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I will never immerse in a pub match. Ever. Nothing is more boring than when a match is all but over at the 5 minute mark and stretches past the 10 minute mark because 2 survivors refuse to even try to progress the game. Or if they do, they're Urban Evading away the very instant Spine Chill goes off. Godawful gameplay. One of the many reasons I detest the d/c penalty. Let me out of that game. I'll take a Forever Freddy over immersed survivors 10 times out of 10. You're eventually going to rank up to a point where you kill your team game after game because you can't loop.
Also, if you're on the hook and there's one survivor left with a gen still to be completed, let yourself go. There is no scenario where you both live. You're just denying your teammate the hatch or prolonging the inevitable at best. Let's just trade hooks for the next 5 minutes and lose anyway. Good1 jimmy.
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I only go immersive if the killer is a face camper. Otherwise, I'll do my best to finish the gens, no matter how many are left.
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If there's two of us left at 4 gens or more there is little hope so I'll just pump out gens till the killers finds me and run them until i either lead them to the urban evading nea by accident or I get downed or they leave me.
I hate the idea of crouching around whilst we wait to be the killers first victim, nothing would be more boring!
If I'm going down I'm going down swinging, and maybe the other finds the hatch.
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I had a game as Blight on Dead Dawg Saloon. 2 survivors left, 2 gens left to finish. The Nea kept tapping the gen on the saloon balcony then hiding. There are like 7 lockers around there, I checked all of them but I could not find them. Later on I realized they were probably hiding in the dead end room around the side which I completely forgot about. The dumb thing is...they could've actually got the gen done if they split up, but for some reason the Claudette was doing absolutely nothing but hiding in, presumably, that same room, because I caught both of them near there. I only ever saw the Nea attempting to do the gen and none of the others were being worked on. Both had spinechill of course.
I get so bored of this. If I see a blendette in the lobby I usually throw on whispers because I know exactly what kind of game it's going to be. Because at the very least, they are not getting out of the exit gate.
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You're welcome. It is called being a good survivor player.
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Or you can go stealthy and make a play for the hatch.
Both options are valid and should not be criticized.
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Except leaving your teammate to die trying to do the objective while you sit in the corner and wait for your free escape is a dick move. Part of the reason why I hate the hatch; it makes survivors selfish, and they're rewarded for it.
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I bring Aftercare and Plunderers precisely because I want both of us to make it out.
Say what you want though a lot of people do dick moves. It's fine you do what you have to. When it's down to the two of us I don't expect to live so often times if they give me the "signal" that they found the hatch I will kill myself there and then to give them the hatch.
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I once had a Bubba game go on for 25 minutes.
After I killed the first two survivors, this Dwight got cucked by his immersed teammate. He was trying to do gens, while Claudette hid and waited for me to kill him so she could get hatch. But I wanted my BBQ stack. It got to the point where I'd just let Dwight sit on the gen if I found him, and go back to looking for Claudette. After around 10 minutes of looking for Claudette, I finally found her. I killed her, and let Dwight have hatch because I felt so bad for him.
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I’d be careful with this part of your post.
”Second thing is I have a suggestion. If you are downed and the other survivor has been doing nothing but hiding don't wiggle when the killer picks you up. Many killers quickly realize you are giving them the opportunity to find the survivor that's doing nothing but hiding and they are very happy to do so.“
The mods could interpret this as “helping the killer to grief another player”, which is against the game rules.
I think it isn’t healthy to demonise survivors that choose to go immersive in these circumstances. Trying to finish repairs is generally hopeless at this stage, as are saves, and the goal is to survive and escape after all, so hatch just becomes a logical sensible option.
If i’m the downed survivor in that scenario, and the killer is slugging for the 4k, I intentionally crawl as far away as possible from the hiding survivor to lead the killer away, because I already know that survivor is waiting for the hatch, and I don’t blame them. I can’t be saved, and there’s no use getting them killed too. If i’m hooked, i’ll just suicide to give that other survivor the greatest chance they can to jump in hatch before killer finds them, or hatch first.
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I'm with you on that. I play stealth but not immersed. I'm still trying get objectives done and escape.
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I hadn't thought of the possibility of this being considered against the rules. I suppose it could be interpreted that way. I'd be interested to have a mod clarify if they read this.
I agree with you that going immersive in that situation is a legitimate strategy. I just happen to personally think it's extremely selfish and I have no respect for it. It creates one of 2 scenarios. 1) The immersed survivor make the other one feel like they have no choice but to immerse because they know they are almost guaranteed to be the one caught if they try to complete objectives, or 2) The immersed survivor is throwing the other one under the bus if they go ahead and attempt to do objectives
#1 can create a boring game of hide and seek for way too long.
#2 is straight up a completely selfish play.
As I said in my original post it may be a legal and legit strategy. That doesn't mean I have to respect it or that I'm not going to do everything I can to make sure it's a losing strategy for the person doing it. If they're willing to throw me under the bus with their strategy I have no problem at all returning the sentiment.
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Honestly despise players who do this. I've had too many matches where I'm down to 2 players, and I manage to find 1 whos actually trying to do a gen but the others nowhere in sight. Usually I'll just leave them to the gen and let them have hatch when it's appeared and hunt down the hider. Anyone that hides, usually in the hatch area, will get a nice facecamp to death because screw players like this. It's a game. Nobody likes losing sure, but letting someone else lose just so you get your free escape is a sad way to play. I've had it done to me far too many times as survivor, which I usually struggle on hook long enough so they get found.
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Completely agree. I'll do everything in my power to help someone that's not screwing others over by playing selfishly. On the other hand I'll do everything I can to make sure a selfish player gets caught
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Hatch is the problem. It always was. It's just boring. But that's the reason for both sides.
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Wow,
i have to say this was glorious. First i was impressed guessing "ohh how did he find that one :o and how did he know she would take exactly that way :O amazing :)" but then the whole thing turned out to be.... This. (I especially like the moment you take the metal stairs to jump over the railing.)
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If I know the other survivor is hiding I find the hatch and make sure if killer downs me it's next to the hatch. Sometimes they close hatch and kill that survivor, sometimes they decide to give that survivor the hatch.
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I wish the hatch didn't exist but that's the issue, obviously. Sorry it sucks.
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It Is glorious when you and the survivor are standing over hatch together and you slam it on them. Thank God the devs let that happen.
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I miss hatch grabs but closing the hatch as survivor is running to it is way better.
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Yeah, but, unless you are newer, who gives a ######### about 3ks or 4ks.
And, wouldn't you want to reward those that are playing still, by letting them die? If not aren't you actually reinforcing the behavior of hiding, creating more people that will do this, because ######### it, you going get slugged anyway?
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I immerse by being careful while looking for gens, but I almost always look for my fellow teammate so we can be safe and attempt saves if we have to. I usually end up with another person last and they sometimes suicide on hook which makes me feel bad because I wish I could express wanting to work together lol! But yes, anyone who is respectful and actually plays the game, ily <3
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"Second thing is I have a suggestion. If you are downed and the other survivor has been doing nothing but hiding don't wiggle when the killer picks you up. Many killers quickly realize you are giving them the opportunity to find the survivor that's doing nothing but hiding and they are very happy to do so."
This is bullshit advice. This may have been true once upon a time before consoles infected the player pool, but that's not the M.O. of a majority of killers. I actually end up in this situation a lot and I'm one of those folks that will either keep pushing a gen or just go find the killer to get one last chase in. Once downed I don't wiggle, but I've been hooked every time.
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So your experience is different than mine. Cool. I suppose my experience, just like anyone elses is anecdotal. If it's not the norm then perhaps it is bullshit, but I can only go from what I see personally. And personally I've seen what I said fairly frequently.
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Instead of providing substance you make a flippant comment. Cool.
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When it's the last two I usually try to distract the killer because that's more bloodpoints than just hiding, waiting for the other guy to die (In this case likely myself) and getting 5 - 7k BP at most for escaping if lucky.
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What substance do you suggest I provide? There was nothing flippant about it. You called what I said BS as if I'm lying. I thought your comment was fairly flippant.
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Giving new players faulty advice is wrong. The only people who would take you seriously are newer players. Newer players face newer killers who most definitely do not act in accordance with your observation. "Hey survivor, don't struggle" as if that's not the overall point of the damn game. Your advice is at best marginally useful and at worst actively harmful.
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I gave a suggestion based on my personal experience. Maybe my experience isn't the norm. If so then maybe my suggestion is a bad one. However, all I have to go on is my personal experience. From the only viewpoint I can see (the one that happens when I play) it seemed a good suggestion.
However, rather than merely express your experience differs you decided to call my perspective BS. Which is why I said what I said.
I digress at this point though. It's impossible to have an actual conversation with someone that believes their personal experiences/opinions/perspectives automatically invalidate those that don't match their own.
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It depends on how killer plays, if they are toxic; camping, tunneling etc. Then i will hide for 8 years on that map just so that you can enjoy that match as much as i did.
It also depends on the survivors, if i see that nobody did anything in the match i will most likely run up to you just so you will end my suffering.
Otherwise i might do a gen, get chased and finally die on the hook.
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I can see that perspective. I don't have the patience to do that even if the killer was super toxic. Kinda wish I did though.
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