Spirit just got buffed!
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lol the butthurt at someone who hasnt streamed in months, and we can tell you are about to ragequit and uninstall if you think this game is crappy.MhhBurgers said:@Lowbei said:
wow this rank20 burgers guy is embarrassing himself everywhere lately. is he the new epicfailtryhard? welcome to dbd!it's okay, maybe some time you will get more than 3 viewers if you ever get better at this crappy game.
i guess you couldnt git gud. no worries, this game isnt for everyone.
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The survivor circlejerk here is ridiculous it's as bad as the steamforums but it's to be expected when ppl get coddled for years, what I propose would make the game not only better but challenging, lowranksurvivors would have to get good and the killrates would probably be more around 3k/match which is also more fun for survivors than just escaping.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@MhhBurgers said:
So tell me who the [BAD WORD] would be able to play her if you cannot see survivors, you cannot track them (and don't tell me you are able to land a hit on them with how bad even with predator scratchmarks are unless they run into stuff like windows/pallets) and on top of that you'Re also slower than them ROFL. When I think the devs have bad Ideas I listen to crap like this.Go and watch some twitch streams kiddo, you'll see plenty of people using her.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/315353140?t=58m17s
Heres a video of me 4King against a rank three, two rank 5s and a rank 9.
2 Dstrikes & an insta heal btw, probably SWF but who cares.
and yes, im not a rank 1 killer (because i play more games now) but hey, swf is unbeatable, right?Yes cuz no one has ever seen new killers do great for the first month of release while everyone is getting used too them still right? I forget we apperantly rank killers by ther first day~
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Once survivors catch on about her glimmering when she uses her power she will be #########.
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@MhhBurgers said:
The survivor circlejerk here is ridiculous it's as bad as the steamforums but it's to be expected when ppl get coddled for years, what I propose would make the game not only better but challenging, lowranksurvivors would have to get good and the killrates would probably be more around 3k/match which is also more fun for survivors than just escaping.The circlejerk of changing responses where you say several different things that contradict each other in different threads.
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@AlexAnarchy said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@MhhBurgers said:
So tell me who the [BAD WORD] would be able to play her if you cannot see survivors, you cannot track them (and don't tell me you are able to land a hit on them with how bad even with predator scratchmarks are unless they run into stuff like windows/pallets) and on top of that you'Re also slower than them ROFL. When I think the devs have bad Ideas I listen to crap like this.Go and watch some twitch streams kiddo, you'll see plenty of people using her.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/315353140?t=58m17s
Heres a video of me 4King against a rank three, two rank 5s and a rank 9.
2 Dstrikes & an insta heal btw, probably SWF but who cares.
and yes, im not a rank 1 killer (because i play more games now) but hey, swf is unbeatable, right?Yes cuz no one has ever seen new killers do great for the first month of release while everyone is getting used too them still right? I forget we apperantly rank killers by ther first day~
Yet you same killers say spirit was trash tier and when she 4ks it's because she's new or because the survivors were trash/noob.
It's funny how you ignore all the ppl that play both sides and play her and against her and think she's in a good spot but needs sme small qol buffs.
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wise as alwayspowerbats said:@AlexAnarchy said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@MhhBurgers said:
So tell me who the [BAD WORD] would be able to play her if you cannot see survivors, you cannot track them (and don't tell me you are able to land a hit on them with how bad even with predator scratchmarks are unless they run into stuff like windows/pallets) and on top of that you'Re also slower than them ROFL. When I think the devs have bad Ideas I listen to crap like this.Go and watch some twitch streams kiddo, you'll see plenty of people using her.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/315353140?t=58m17s
Heres a video of me 4King against a rank three, two rank 5s and a rank 9.
2 Dstrikes & an insta heal btw, probably SWF but who cares.
and yes, im not a rank 1 killer (because i play more games now) but hey, swf is unbeatable, right?Yes cuz no one has ever seen new killers do great for the first month of release while everyone is getting used too them still right? I forget we apperantly rank killers by ther first day~
Yet you same killers say spirit was trash tier and when she 4ks it's because she's new or because the survivors were trash/noob.
It's funny how you ignore all the ppl that play both sides and play her and against her and think she's in a good spot but needs sme small qol buffs.
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Doesn’t really matter. No matter how many tweaks they do to Killers, Survivors, Pallets, Maps, or Perks, Gen Rush still wins everything. Not the Survivors fault, it’s just that easy to Rush the Gens. When Survivors buckle down, and optimize Gens, it’s a GG unless the Killer is playing Nurse, or the Survivors are ######### and every time they get chased, they hit the floor in less than 30 seconds.0
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@SenzuDuck said:
AHAHAH @powerbats have you heard this guy? He claims hes so good but here's a list of things he does.
- DC's maps he's not good at
- Demands for more insta downs
- Uses third party software to brighten up reds to chase easier
AHAHAHA this guy is literally the worst "best" player I've ever seen in my life what a joke ahahahahahahahaha.
and yes, true does call all this stuff out but still does very well in matches, so it's almost like you can still cope with this "incredibly strong over powered survivor meta".
Nice dodge, schoolyard level.
And this pathetic attempt of socialy shame someone else when you don't have anymore argument.
You're the definition of toxicity.
Also maybe stop posting while drunk, you'll make us a favor.
INB4:
"No u !
Huuur duuur"
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@Giche said:
@SenzuDuck said:
AHAHAH @powerbats have you heard this guy? He claims hes so good but here's a list of things he does.
- DC's maps he's not good at
- Demands for more insta downs
- Uses third party software to brighten up reds to chase easier
AHAHAHA this guy is literally the worst "best" player I've ever seen in my life what a joke ahahahahahahahaha.
and yes, true does call all this stuff out but still does very well in matches, so it's almost like you can still cope with this "incredibly strong over powered survivor meta".
Nice dodge, schoolyard level.
And this pathetic attempt of socialy shame someone else when you don't have anymore argument.
You're the definition of toxicity.
Also maybe stop posting while drunk, you'll make us a favor.
INB4:
"No u !
Huuur duuur"Are you sure you're not the one that is drunk? Well done for not addressing anything posted and just continuing a discussion that ended a few hours ago, amazing - another killer providing absolutely nothing but complaining about their lack of skill and blaming it on mechanics.
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@MhhBurgers said:
@Lowbei said:
wow this rank20 burgers guy is embarrassing himself everywhere lately. is he the new epicfailtryhard? welcome to dbd!it's okay, maybe some time you will get more than 3 viewers if you ever get better at this crappy game.
I like how you comment on peoples views yet have probably never streamed in your entire life, and the reason you don't is because no one wants to watch someone who constantly whines about their side being hard done by and hard to play.
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@SenzuDuck said:
Are you sure you're not the one that is drunk? Well done for not addressing anything posted and just continuing a discussion that ended a few hours ago, amazing - another killer providing absolutely nothing but complaining about their lack of skill and blaming it on mechanics.
Yeah, basically :
Predictable.
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@Giche said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Are you sure you're not the one that is drunk? Well done for not addressing anything posted and just continuing a discussion that ended a few hours ago, amazing - another killer providing absolutely nothing but complaining about their lack of skill and blaming it on mechanics.
Yeah, basically :
Predictable.
Yea, literally this. You hop into a conversation, read the last few comments, start talking absolute drool towards me that makes literally no sense what so ever.
One day you'll get better, I promise, just practice more.
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@SenzuDuck said:
Yea, literally this. You hop into a conversation, read the last few comments, start talking absolute drool towards me that makes literally no sense what so ever.
One day you'll get better, I promise, just practice more.
What conversation ?
You're just trolling and lobbying for survivors, as usual.
Trying to spread as much lie and non-senses as possible, for the "lol" i guess ?
That's basically all what you do.
You also admitted being drunk a lot of time while posting in another thread (for the "lol" again i guess).
Surely one of the reasons why you quite like getting "Killer main exposed on the forum >:) "Not moronic at all, no ... /s
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@Giche said:
(snip)Pretty much everything you said. I know the mods here are anti-killer and allow survivor apologists to run roughshod but I sincerely don't understand how this guy hasn't been banned. He'll literally come onto a thread where a killer player suggests something and make it unreadable, which I'm sure is his point. If he's not attacking points that weren't made in the post anywhere he's whining about people "putting words" in his mouth or falling back on his old pointless favorite "Well you just want to 4K." And that's not including all of the sophomoric passive aggressive garbage he throws out into threads.
If you want to provide an opposing view point, great, but that's not what this guy wants. He wants any pro-killer ideas buried beneath a landfill of unreadable and pointless garbage. Which, sadly, he very much succeeds at doing.
That's why I ignore him. I recommend you do the same.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@Orion said:
That's why I ignore him. I recommend you do the same.I do. At least as much as I can. It's just difficult when you have to scrub through pages of his garbage to find points worth reading.
The 3 of you just proved my point I made earlier that you won't call out the bs some killer mains spew then turn around and say it's survivor sided. You can say what you want about Senz but he has a point about what he said.
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@Giche said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Yea, literally this. You hop into a conversation, read the last few comments, start talking absolute drool towards me that makes literally no sense what so ever.
One day you'll get better, I promise, just practice more.
What conversation ?
You're just trolling and lobbying for survivors, as usual.
Trying to spread as much lie and non-senses as possible, for the "lol" i guess ?
That's basically all what you do.
You also admitted being drunk a lot of time while posting in another thread (for the "lol" again i guess).
Surely one of the reasons why you quite like getting "Killer main exposed on the forum >:) "Not moronic at all, no ... /s
What the actual ######### are you on about? I've actually never been drunk at all when posting on the forums, you're actually talking so much crap right now. I would LOVE it if you quoted the comment I made about me being drunk because it absolutely didn't happen.
Also, quote one thing in this thread where I am "Survivor" sided, because it hasn't happened at all.
I also absolutely don't lie about anything either, I guarantee you can't find one comment on this entire website of me "lying". Opinions aren't lies and you'll one day figure that one out, sweetheart.
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@Orion said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
@Giche said:
(snip)Pretty much everything you said. I know the mods here are anti-killer and allow survivor apologists to run roughshod but I sincerely don't understand how this guy hasn't been banned. He'll literally come onto a thread where a killer player suggests something and make it unreadable, which I'm sure is his point. If he's not attacking points that weren't made in the post anywhere he's whining about people "putting words" in his mouth or falling back on his old pointless favorite "Well you just want to 4K." And that's not including all of the sophomoric passive aggressive garbage he throws out into threads.
If you want to provide an opposing view point, great, but that's not what this guy wants. He wants any pro-killer ideas buried beneath a landfill of unreadable and pointless garbage. Which, sadly, he very much succeeds at doing.
That's why I ignore him. I recommend you do the same.
Literally commented on a thread earlier of our friend RSB screaming for hatch to be removed because he wants a 4K, how is that not 4K entitlement, lmfao.
Aren't you that rank 17 who said they haven't played the game properly in over a year, yet you clearly know so much about balance. LOL
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Giche said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Yea, literally this. You hop into a conversation, read the last few comments, start talking absolute drool towards me that makes literally no sense what so ever.
One day you'll get better, I promise, just practice more.
What conversation ?
You're just trolling and lobbying for survivors, as usual.
Trying to spread as much lie and non-senses as possible, for the "lol" i guess ?
That's basically all what you do.
You also admitted being drunk a lot of time while posting in another thread (for the "lol" again i guess).
Surely one of the reasons why you quite like getting "Killer main exposed on the forum >:) "Not moronic at all, no ... /s
What the actual [BAD WORD] are you on about? I've actually never been drunk at all when posting on the forums, you're actually talking so much crap right now. I would LOVE it if you quoted the comment I made about me being drunk because it absolutely didn't happen.
Also, quote one thing in this thread where I am "Survivor" sided, because it hasn't happened at all.
I also absolutely don't lie about anything either, I guarantee you can't find one comment on this entire website of me "lying". Opinions aren't lies and you'll one day figure that one out, sweetheart.
I think he talks about @Vietfox LOL
He has same the avatar and likes whisky a lot as far as I remember
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Didnt they remove that in the last hotfix?MhhBurgers said:Once survivors catch on about her glimmering when she uses her power she will be #########.
Or was it something they intended to change?0 -
@DelfadorDelfador said:@SenzuDuck said:
@Giche said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Yea, literally this. You hop into a conversation, read the last few comments, start talking absolute drool towards me that makes literally no sense what so ever.
One day you'll get better, I promise, just practice more.
What conversation ?
You're just trolling and lobbying for survivors, as usual.
Trying to spread as much lie and non-senses as possible, for the "lol" i guess ?
That's basically all what you do.
You also admitted being drunk a lot of time while posting in another thread (for the "lol" again i guess).
Surely one of the reasons why you quite like getting "Killer main exposed on the forum >:) "Not moronic at all, no ... /s
What the actual [BAD WORD] are you on about? I've actually never been drunk at all when posting on the forums, you're actually talking so much crap right now. I would LOVE it if you quoted the comment I made about me being drunk because it absolutely didn't happen.
Also, quote one thing in this thread where I am "Survivor" sided, because it hasn't happened at all.
I also absolutely don't lie about anything either, I guarantee you can't find one comment on this entire website of me "lying". Opinions aren't lies and you'll one day figure that one out, sweetheart.
I think he talks about @Vietfox LOL
He has same the avatar and likes whisky a lot as far as I remember
Yup, that's me
And i'm not drunk all the time, c'mon xD2 -
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Wow @Delfador thanks for @me , otherwise i would had missed all the dumb stuff from @MhhBurgers . He's my favourite pastime right now.
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@ZombieGenesis I do agree to an extent and it's unfortunate that so much gts lost due to ahem disagreements in delivery shall we say. 😁
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@PigNRun said:
MhhBurgers said:Once survivors catch on about her glimmering when she uses her power she will be #########.
Didnt they remove that in the last hotfix?
Or was it something they intended to change?
I think they did because after the post about it I paid really close attention and she doesn't shimmer. Well at least she didn't when she was 5 feet from me while I was hooked.
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i havent noticed a shimmer0
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@Vietfox said:
Wow @Delfador thanks for @me , otherwise i would had missed all the dumb stuff from @MhhBurgers . He's my favourite pastime right now.LMAO Ikr
In the past, killers had legitimate problems like endless exhaustion and conversations with them were a lot better. Most of unbalance is wiped out but people still want buffs and nerfs and they complain too much that it is not funny anymore.
Forum mods have banned a couple of them to make the forum more serious, and right now, the forum feels a little bit boring. People try to find new ways to entertain themselves. I am glad you found your own LOL
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It's still not enough. Even very good spirit players get destroyed by SWF groups or just good survivors in general..
Iron will is also an extremely good counter to her which is kinda cheap because you counter her with a perk not with skill.
She still requires the most effort to get a normal m1 attack and still has to wait ages to refill her power.
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
It's still not enough. Even very good spirit players get destroyed by SWF groups or just good survivors in general..Iron will is also an extremely good counter to her which is kinda cheap because you counter her with a perk not with skill.
She still requires the most effort to get a normal m1 attack and still has to wait ages to refill her power.
Literally just keep running and she'll never catch you. Can't mindgame at pallets/windows if you never stop moving.
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To stay on topic: The buff was nice, but she could still use a little help. Didn't they mention reducing the ear piercing sound she makes when she uses her power? What happened to that? And after that i think we're getting close to a ok killer.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@powerbats said:
The 3 of you just proved my point I made earlier that you won't call out the bs some killer mains spew then turn around and say it's survivor sided. You can say what you want about Senz but he has a point about what he said.Whatever points he may have gets drowned out by his juvenile attitude. Here's a mockup of pretty much any SenzuDuck post.
(Killer Says Something)
SD: LULZ 4K Entitlement! (Pointless rant about things killer never mentioned)(Killer Comments Back, possibly paraphrasing something SD insinuated or outright said)
SD: LULZ Not what I said! Quote where I said those EXACT WORDS! LULZ words in my mouth hur!And then he'll finish up with some trite and juvenile poke that only he finds funny.
Again, whatever points he may make are bookended by obnoxious troll behavior that seriously needs to be ignored. At this point, those of us who respond to him or talk about him are just as much at fault as he is for allowing him to derail a thread, which I'm assuming is his entire point to begin with. Which is ridiculous of course because the Devs have not once looked at a thread where a killer said something and said to themselves, "Whoa, SD didn't mention 4k entitlement...the killer must have a point!"
Regardless, I am done talking to or about SD. It's what he wants, attention, and it's the one thing that we (as a forum) sincerely need to deny him.
I noticed quite a few survivor trolls on this forum, will just ignore them from now on. Can't argue with ppl who think selfcare is balanced, a perk that gets 98% use, might as well make that ######### baseline.
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@MhhBurgers said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
@powerbats said:
The 3 of you just proved my point I made earlier that you won't call out the bs some killer mains spew then turn around and say it's survivor sided. You can say what you want about Senz but he has a point about what he said.Whatever points he may have gets drowned out by his juvenile attitude. Here's a mockup of pretty much any SenzuDuck post.
(Killer Says Something)
SD: LULZ 4K Entitlement! (Pointless rant about things killer never mentioned)(Killer Comments Back, possibly paraphrasing something SD insinuated or outright said)
SD: LULZ Not what I said! Quote where I said those EXACT WORDS! LULZ words in my mouth hur!And then he'll finish up with some trite and juvenile poke that only he finds funny.
Again, whatever points he may make are bookended by obnoxious troll behavior that seriously needs to be ignored. At this point, those of us who respond to him or talk about him are just as much at fault as he is for allowing him to derail a thread, which I'm assuming is his entire point to begin with. Which is ridiculous of course because the Devs have not once looked at a thread where a killer said something and said to themselves, "Whoa, SD didn't mention 4k entitlement...the killer must have a point!"
Regardless, I am done talking to or about SD. It's what he wants, attention, and it's the one thing that we (as a forum) sincerely need to deny him.
I noticed quite a few survivor trolls on this forum, will just ignore them from now on. Can't argue with ppl who think selfcare is balanced, a perk that gets 98% use, might as well make that ######### baseline.
Indeed. Behaviour needs to follow Blizzard's way of balancing talents in Heroes of the Storm:
- If something is used a lot, find out why it's used a lot.
- If it's used a lot because the other options are crap, buff the other options.
- If it's used a lot because it's broken, nerf the main use it has so it's more in line with the other options.
Self Care falls under the second reason - it's used a lot because infinite, self-sustaining heals without any drawbacks make hits irrelevant. Therefore, the self-heal aspect of it must be nerfed.
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@HP150 said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@TheDarkLycan said:
Love how they buffed her cooldown even though they said they wouldn'tBecause they have no clue what they're doing. Her power would still be weak compared to billy or even nurse, even if she had no cooldown.
That's honestly what they need to do. Get rid of the cooldown and let her charge her power while moving. Then lower her to Nurse speed. Make her basically HAVE to use her power to get a hit, like a different flavor of Nurse.
Both would be high skillcap / low skill floor Killers. Except she can be juked in different ways (standing still, crouching, doubling back, etc) as opposed to Nurse and still suffers from the weakness of having to obey the laws of terrain / pallets / windows. Upside would be that she doesn't suffer from fatigue and obviously she has the whole invisibility thing going for her until the survivors notice her jet engine sounds.
You got it wrong there, killer powers should have a disadvantage equal to the advantage they bring. Compared to the meta survivor perks which are 100% beneficial and their items (their "power" so to say) which also do not have any disadvantages, the killer powers have to be this way, otherwise the game would be balanced and casuals would stop playing it because they would have a hard time winning.
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@Peanits Lock this
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This has been one of the most entertaining threads to read.1
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I honestly can’t belive you guys - it’s like you don’t read anything past the last two comments.
all I stated was that killer abilities need downsides, and the burger dude starts talking about self care?
You guys call me a troll but when I simply stated it can’t be all rainbows and pony’s for the abilities you start talking about stupid stuff that wasn’t even relevant to the conversation?
It’s the equivalent of you guys asking for a self care nerf and I come In “yea but the nurses abilty tho omg op”. (FWIW I love the nurse)
Smh, I’m the troll, clearly.
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And you can see why I ask for quotes, Giche LITERALLY got the wrong person and starts trying to make me look bad 😂ZombieGenesis said:@powerbats said:
The 3 of you just proved my point I made earlier that you won't call out the bs some killer mains spew then turn around and say it's survivor sided. You can say what you want about Senz but he has a point about what he said.Whatever points he may have gets drowned out by his juvenile attitude. Here's a mockup of pretty much any SenzuDuck post.
(Killer Says Something)
SD: LULZ 4K Entitlement! (Pointless rant about things killer never mentioned)(Killer Comments Back, possibly paraphrasing something SD insinuated or outright said)
SD: LULZ Not what I said! Quote where I said those EXACT WORDS! LULZ words in my mouth hur!And then he'll finish up with some trite and juvenile poke that only he finds funny.
Again, whatever points he may make are bookended by obnoxious troll behavior that seriously needs to be ignored. At this point, those of us who respond to him or talk about him are just as much at fault as he is for allowing him to derail a thread, which I'm assuming is his entire point to begin with. Which is ridiculous of course because the Devs have not once looked at a thread where a killer said something and said to themselves, "Whoa, SD didn't mention 4k entitlement...the killer must have a point!"
Regardless, I am done talking to or about SD. It's what he wants, attention, and it's the one thing that we (as a forum) sincerely need to deny him.
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@MhhBurgers said:
I noticed quite a few survivor trolls on this forum, will just ignore them from now on. Can't argue with ppl who think selfcare is balanced, a perk that gets 98% use, might as well make that ######### baseline.
SC is already getting a nerf but that's not even what this thread is about, there's plenty of other threads talking about it.
So if a perk gets 98% use it should be baseline well does that mean DS/SB etc get to be baseline then? Are you killer mains ok with that since you already complain about that stuff being used?
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@Orion said:
Indeed. Behaviour needs to follow Blizzard's way of balancing talents in Heroes of the Storm:
- If something is used a lot, find out why it's used a lot.
- If it's used a lot because the other options are crap, buff the other options.
- If it's used a lot because it's broken, nerf the main use it has so it's more in line with the other options.
Self Care falls under the second reason - it's used a lot because infinite, self-sustaining heals without any drawbacks make hits irrelevant. Therefore, the self-heal aspect of it must be nerfed.
Heroes of The storm is a bas comparison since you've got 2 teams of 5 on 5 with vastly different abilities that can not only damage each other. They also have AOE effects and can damage terrain.
Buffing other options seems to be a no go with quite a few killer mains on here if both past and current history is any indication.
Just look at the outcry when Calm Spirit got buffed or whenever anyone talks about changing No Mither or any other survivor perks that not meta.
You get the typical catcalls and whines about all you want is something more op, survivors are already broken/op etc etc etc.
I've suggested changes to other perks to break them into being viable and I get the above almost always. However if I suggest a buff to killer perks it's a whole new ballgame, then if the buff isn't op enough i'm just trolling or not being serious.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
Indeed. Behaviour needs to follow Blizzard's way of balancing talents in Heroes of the Storm:
- If something is used a lot, find out why it's used a lot.
- If it's used a lot because the other options are crap, buff the other options.
- If it's used a lot because it's broken, nerf the main use it has so it's more in line with the other options.
Self Care falls under the second reason - it's used a lot because infinite, self-sustaining heals without any drawbacks make hits irrelevant. Therefore, the self-heal aspect of it must be nerfed.
Heroes of The storm is a bas comparison since you've got 2 teams of 5 on 5 with vastly different abilities that can not only damage each other. They also have AOE effects and can damage terrain.
Buffing other options seems to be a no go with quite a few killer mains on here if both past and current history is any indication.
Just look at the outcry when Calm Spirit got buffed or whenever anyone talks about changing No Mither or any other survivor perks that not meta.
You get the typical catcalls and whines about all you want is something more op, survivors are already broken/op etc etc etc.
I've suggested changes to other perks to break them into being viable and I get the above almost always. However if I suggest a buff to killer perks it's a whole new ballgame, then if the buff isn't op enough i'm just trolling or not being serious.
I think the principle of buffs/nerfs they use for HotS applies regardless of the game. It's simply logical.
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@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
Indeed. Behaviour needs to follow Blizzard's way of balancing talents in Heroes of the Storm:
- If something is used a lot, find out why it's used a lot.
- If it's used a lot because the other options are crap, buff the other options.
- If it's used a lot because it's broken, nerf the main use it has so it's more in line with the other options.
Self Care falls under the second reason - it's used a lot because infinite, self-sustaining heals without any drawbacks make hits irrelevant. Therefore, the self-heal aspect of it must be nerfed.
Heroes of The storm is a bas comparison since you've got 2 teams of 5 on 5 with vastly different abilities that can not only damage each other. They also have AOE effects and can damage terrain.
Buffing other options seems to be a no go with quite a few killer mains on here if both past and current history is any indication.
Just look at the outcry when Calm Spirit got buffed or whenever anyone talks about changing No Mither or any other survivor perks that not meta.
You get the typical catcalls and whines about all you want is something more op, survivors are already broken/op etc etc etc.
I've suggested changes to other perks to break them into being viable and I get the above almost always. However if I suggest a buff to killer perks it's a whole new ballgame, then if the buff isn't op enough i'm just trolling or not being serious.
I think the principle of buffs/nerfs they use for HotS applies regardless of the game. It's simply logical.
Except you can't kill the killer, so survivors have to be strong enough to not get nuked in a second and killers have to strong enough and intimidating enough when played with enough skill to kill 2/3 most of the time.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
The Devs need to nerf/buff based on what is best for the game, not what any particular group cries loudest about. And, don't get it twisted, the loudest group is survivors. The devs have never bent over backward to do anything for killers.I think before other survivor perks get buffed the holy trinity need to be balanced so that survivors stop comparing every perk to them. Right now if a perk doesn't compare to SC/DS/SB then it's trash and the devs don't care about survivors(despite all evidence to the contrary). The problem is they live in quaking fear of survivors who have shown that if you dare threaten them with any sort of a nerf they'll attack your game directly through review bombs(it was, what, 500 negative reviews a day for 4 or 5 days earlier this summer?)
The other problem is that I don't trust the Devs to balance anything. They made two significant nerfs this last patch; one to the Huntress and one to Autodidact. Both of them were over the top rendering both unplayable. Why did they have to hit both so hard? At least they've rolled back the Huntress nerf. Here's hoping they get their act together for autodidact, which could be an amazing perk if they remove any negative healing attached to it.
Anyway, regardless the devs need to nut up and do what's best for the game. And maybe hire an outside company to let them know what would be best for the game.
I like how you refer to it as "a huntress nerf" no, it tightened up her hitboxes, which i a change you're supposed to get used too. Now I'm back to hitting survivors around corners with the hatchets.
There's so many messed up hit boxes in this game and that is where i think they should start. Some killers get stunned in some places where others do not, it should be consistent, they should either all get stunned at this one spot, or none of them should.
Same goes for messed up hit boxes on survivors, some get hit some don't get hit, it should be consistent.
Too many players think they're good because they pallet stun that shouldn't or that they've damaged a survivor from a meter away around a corner.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
The hit box was big, they made it small. That's a nerf. Once again you're arguing to hear your own voice. I never said her hit box didn't require a nerf, I said the nerf they went with was too great. I don't even know why I'm replying to you, once again you're just proving you don't care about what is actually posted and just want to derail a thread with pointless garbage. Good job, success once again.It was a killer main that derailed this thread, this is a thread about the spirit getting buffed, but of course, killer mains have to come in here moaning about other stuff like the "huntress" nerf that not a single survivor or killer asked for, but might as well blame survivors for it.
Hit boxes are crap all around the board on both sides, which I've clearly argued for both sides but I'm "biased" despite giving reasons why both hit boxes need changing. I directly talk about her "nerf" (more accurate hitboxes) yet me talking about the huntress is me derailing the thread that actually had nothing to do wih her anyway?
Majority of killers are absolutely clueless on this forum because they see my name, ignore the text I put and reply something like
"OH MUR GURD BIASED SURVIVOR MAIYN".
When i argue for things for both sides, equally. It's just theres more moaning killer thread on this forum than anything else, so of course you see me telling killers to get better more often.
Giche, literally made up stuff about me because he had me mistaken for someone else and you all jumped on board with his comments, despite them being not true, thats the real bias, can't handle an opposing opinion.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
You haven't given an opposing opinion. You're just arguing, quibbling over semantics with nerf or balance. You are just trying to pick fights, as usual, and once again I'm done with youSaying that stun hit boxes and killer hit boxes both need adjusting so each side doesn't get unnecessarily hit? Oh yea dude, look at my bias. You completely ignore that fact im arguing for changes on both side and say im biased. That, is actually what bias is.
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