Is holding the game hostage still 40 min?
I was playing a match of billy on hawkins, everything was fine until half way the match.
They did 1 gen and I got 10 hooks by that time, there were only 2 survivors left and they refused to do gens since like min 8 of the match and only hid.
So I only have these perks on Billy (What I use) enduring, bbq, shadowborn and bamboozle.
No tracking perks besides bbq.
Those 2 survivors refused to do anything, they just hid.
Match lasted 39:47 according to what I recorded.
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I don't think there is an official hard limit at which the situation becomes holding the game hostage, but what you described is definitely that and you should make a support ticket with the video included if you reported them in-game.
See: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules#how-to-report-a-player
An In-game report MUST be made. This is not optional, and is a must to help us identify the person in your game as well as find any other evidence we need.
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I reported them in game, I honestly don't want them banned or anything, but this is why I hate indoor maps, lots of places to hide and if I dc I get punished.
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I honestly don't want them banned or anything
They intentionally and actively ruined your game. It would be one thing if they just went AFK for 40 minutes, but then the AFK crows would show where they are - they had to be active in the game by moving, not playing the game, for 40 minutes, with the sole intention of ruining your game. They spent 40 minutes of their own time on the sole purpose of ruining someone else's fun. They should be banned.
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Honestly that sounds like what they did.
Mostly ruin my game since yeah they never did anything, I found a player in the basement hiding where the chest is on the back.
The other one was just walking around, when I hooked the david we both found the hatch and that is where I closed it in her face because it wasn't a fun experience.
But I was asking if it was still 40 min because I remember I think it was Queen who said that 40 min is taking the game hostage but I can't remember if that was what she said a few years back.
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give it 3 more years i can guarantee that they will find a solution for this, it only has been in the game for 4 years now
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If you recorded the match and reported them in game, you can open a ticket with support and get them banned
afaik if at least 2 survivors behave like that for 10+ minutes it's bannable, it doesn't matter what kind of perks you have, perks only help you prevent those situations, but I had a game in which I had Spies from the shadows and BBQ but they managed for 5+ minutes until I went and checked every locker at random
Infuriating situation, those people don't deserve to play online games
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The problem i have with "taking the game hostage" is that only survivors can do it. What i mean by it killers can do something equally annoying, but since the game progresses its not taking a game hostage.
This shouldnt be even considered a hostage situation. Survivors are not doing gens because the best way to escape is to hide since killer will patrol the remaining gens. Killer have to paroling the gens to find and then hook them. In my eyes survivors are taking the game hostage since they dont do gens and the killer is taking the game hostage because killer doesnt allow them to do said gens.
In that specific scenario where you have 2 survivors left and lets say one gen left (realistically amount of gens in this scenario doesnt matter). Killer objective is to kill the survivors. Survivor objective is to escape. "Secondary objective" for both sides is to do a gen or to protect the gen. Only one side can realistically do the secondary objective so what exactly do killers expect from survivors (especially solo)
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Killer can definitely take the game hostage if they body block the last Survivor without closing the hatch.
This shouldnt be even considered a hostage situation. Survivors are not doing gens because the best way to escape is to hide since killer will patrol the remaining gens. Killer have to paroling the gens to find and then hook them. In my eyes survivors are taking the game hostage since they dont do gens and the killer is taking the game hostage because killer doesnt allow them to do said gens.
What about when the Killer is scouring the map but the Survivors are deliberately going out of their way to not be caught and still not doing gens?
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It's definitely what they did (walking around for 40 minutes), or they would have gotten the AFK crows. They had to take action to ruin your game. If they didn't want to play anymore then they could have just run up to you to die, or just tabbed out / minimized the game until they got the AFK crows so you can find and kill them to end the game. But they didn't do that, their goal was to ruin your game.
I can't say for sure that this is the case but I doubt that there is a 40 minute limit after which something becomes holding the game hostage. Perhaps you misremember, and you are thinking of a case where someone said "Not doing anything for 40 minutes is holding the game hostage.". If it goes on for 40 minutes then it is absolutely holding the game hostage. Doing it for less time might be holding the game hostage too, but it depends on context.
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Why people try not to put a hand in a boiling water? Because they know whats going to happen when they do.
- So in this specific scenario, gens are boiling water and you get burned when you touch them... well you get hooked not burned, but hopefully you get what i mean.
- First point applies always. Now even if killer chooses to let them do gens (for example) by virtually staying still, it will not work. Until each survivor sees that you are AFK as a killer (and make sure that you are actually AFK for a long time).
This doesnt apply to people that dont give a #########. Also majority of people that play this game long enough will try to do a gen just so they can die and move to another match.
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Well, in this scenario, you get punished if you don't put your hand in the boiling water because the alternative is that you're preventing the game from ending.
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I reported two survivors who did nothing for 15min with video evidence and the ticket was closed, so 10-15 minutes might not be enough.
But the report system is bad anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if there are misconceptions between the Community Managers and the people who handle the reports.
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If you are the person who will not do gens 2vs1 because killer might get you. You are a noob that just got the game lets be realistic here.
Now this game never states that you cant hide forever... Turn the game on and show me where is it mentioned or even the game's description. You only know that because you are on the forum.
So at the end of the day, you either punish the people that dont know "made up rules" or people who dont care. In other words it doesnt matter.
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It's a player's responsibility to know the rules as stated by the people who make the game. Official resources are easily accessible by anyone who has the means to play the game.
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why shadowborn?
as billy, ruin will work wonders for you. tinkerer is good too, but they hear the chainsaw, so it isn't perfect.
but yeah, holding the game hostage. report them and open the ticket.
it's not your responsability to bring whispers and iron maiden to deal with these kind of players
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Maybe the ticket was closed because they were effectively banned? I don't know if support communicates the outcome of that kind of reports to who opened the ticket or not (I think they should but idk)
10+ minutes is enough, at least if we listen to what mods and devs have stated multiple times here on the forum
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Nope, I got a pretty standardised text that they do not have enough information to verify the report and closed the ticket. They did not specify what information was missing and because the ticket was closed, I could not ask. But as far as I know I gave them all the required information so this answer left me really confused.
It was especially upsetting because the players had troll usernames, the weren't doing it because the were new and scared, they were doing it to ######### with other people and the support apparently didn't even care.
I also thought that I saw a Community Manager or mod saying that ten minutes are enough, that's why I reported them in the first place. If I remember correctly there was a discussion recently because someone from the Support Team said, that unlocking linked cosmetics was bannable, but a Peanits (I think) later stated, that it was not, so misscommunicates definitely happen within the team.
The only thing I know for sure is, that I will probably not go through this unecessary complicated, timewasting report system again.
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This is why the game needs a hard 30 minute time limit.
After 30 minutes the endgame collapse should start.
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That sounds wrong.
If you reported them in game and recorder the match what other info would they need? Maybe they want the Steam profile of the player as well? If that's so it's dumb as #########, but maybe a mod can help clarifying the situation? @MandyTalk? (Sorry to bother you directly but it feels wrong to me 😅)
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Interesting, I might be misremembering a lot, I mean I did reported it before I went to sleep, what happens next is from the devs.
I run shadowborn since the janky animation was a thing before the Billy nerf, kinda like the nurse situation plus easier to curve.
I don't use slowdowns on Billy mostly chase perks and well the FOV increase.
It was a horrible match experience ngl, the most boring thing I've done in this game in the 3 years that I've played.
Yeah, something like that is what I've been thinking, 30 min is more than enough for both sides to have won.
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I have no clue how BHVR deals with it but I think it’s natural to assume they hand out bans based on a particular players tendencies as well, meaning it’s not always black and white. Like if a killer is constantly body blocking for 15-20 minutes in multiple matches they may eventually get a ban vs a player that went afk and body blocked once for 30-40 minutes in one game over the course of 2+k hours of gameplay.
imo the constant 15-20 deserves over the other if you HAD to pick one.
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A killer can do it by body blocking the survivor so they can't complete gens, or get the gate, but its much more common in my experience that survivors do it by hiding and not doing their objective.
This is why i think the EGC should be a game-wide thing, and have a hard time limit of like 15 minutes or something, and then they should make it so if a survivor is body blocked for some amount of time, say 10-15 seconds, that they remove collision so they can walk through the killer.
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Thank you for trying to find an explanation for the situation, I appreciate it!
I did send the Steam-ID, so I really don't know what Information was missing. You can call me entitled, but I think that the support team should tell me my mistakes more detailed when I spend a good amount of time with their awful report system, but they obviously do not share my opinion.
It's been a few months since that incident happened so I doubt that there is something that I could do after this time, I just hope that someone else reported more successfully than I did.
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I don't think you're entitled for wanting to know how to properly report someone
If they explicitly said that they were missing some info in order to proceed it's a confusing situation honestly, that's why I tried "summoning" a mod to chip in, but apparently my magic level is still too low for that 😂
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