Family Residence
All killer know the term "cornblind", that is the main reason why coldwind farm is one -or better THE- most survivorfriendly map with the highest overall escaperatio.
Killer constantly lose their targets or miss swings, because they can't pinpoint their targets in the cornfields.
So, if you think "cornblindness" is bad, check out the new "bambooblindness" which is even worse!
This is not about a "stealthfriendly" map it is just downright unfair.
The bamboo is way to thick.
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Mimimi
Sorry, but for once this goes on my nerves. I want some good stealth maps every once in a while.
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@DocOctober said:
MimimiSorry, but for once this goes on my nerves. I want some good stealth maps every once in a while.
That's a really quality statement. [/sarcasm]
This is NOT "stealth" this is just bad gamemechanics.2 -
@DocOctober said:
MimimiSorry, but for once this goes on my nerves. I want some good stealth maps every once in a while.
This has nothing to do with stealth by the way
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So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.
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@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.1 -
It's annoying to track there, there's so many obstacles that are above the survivors, plus all the banboo, I can't count how many times I've lost scratch marks from someone still running because of the bamboo. I mean people complain about tracking in corn, but at least in the corn scratch marks stand out.0
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.So now you're breaking it down to kill specific as an excuse.
Gideon's is great for Doctors, Nurses do well, I've seen Hags and trappers destroy, Billy's and even Bubbas. Crotus is made for Huntress and Clown, Billy's, Nurses, etc,
Oh and lets not forget swamp for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor.
Now for survivors depending on killer plenty of maps suck Gideon's, Swamp, and your hated cornfield maps well depending on killer they're good.
Your problem is you want every map to be great for every killer and that's not how it works, Lampkin Lane is Myers Map. If you can't do well with any killer on any given map then perhaps you just need to practice more.
The same is true for survivors on Lery's and Gideon's the 2 most hated maps especially against certain killers.
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Yeah the "pallet nerf" that was secretly a buff on multiple maps....... "cough" pallet woods "cough"Wolf74 said:@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.0 -
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.So now you're breaking it down to kill specific as an excuse.
Gideon's is great for Doctors, Nurses do well, I've seen Hags and trappers destroy, Billy's and even Bubbas. Crotus is made for Huntress and Clown, Billy's, Nurses, etc,
Oh and lets not forget swamp for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor.
Now for survivors depending on killer plenty of maps suck Gideon's, Swamp, and your hated cornfield maps well depending on killer they're good.
Your problem is you want every map to be great for every killer and that's not how it works, Lampkin Lane is Myers Map. If you can't do well with any killer on any given map then perhaps you just need to practice more.
The same is true for survivors on Lery's and Gideon's the 2 most hated maps especially against certain killers.
Serious like … what??
Swamp is good for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor???2 -
I will agree and disagree both . I don't think the corn is all that difficult to keep track of a running survivor . I do though agree with the bamboo being to dense to see scratchmarks effectively . there is a difference from being stealth friendly and something being so dense it obliterates the trail they put into the game for you to follow .
as far as some maps being certain killer friendly and being crap for other killers that is fine , not every killer should have mastery over every map . But a map where you can not only loose sight of the prey your chasing but the trail just as easily they put in the game for you to follow that seems a bit off . combine that map and the changes to certain perks where it tightens the trail you can easily get hosed and makes that perk more a drawback if you actually use it .
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@Grimbergoth said:
I will agree and disagree both . I don't think the corn is all that difficult to keep track of a running survivor . I do though agree with the bamboo being to dense to see scratchmarks effectively . there is a difference from being stealth friendly and something being so dense it obliterates the trail they put into the game for you to follow .as far as some maps being certain killer friendly and being crap for other killers that is fine , not every killer should have mastery over every map . But a map where you can not only loose sight of the prey your chasing but the trail just as easily they put in the game for you to follow that seems a bit off . combine that map and the changes to certain perks where it tightens the trail you can easily get hosed and makes that perk more a drawback if you actually use it .
The map is difficult yes but there's been a lot of good games on both sides and it's not just about scratch marks. That's what some people don't get about that map and some killers have expounded on about all maps in general.
You need to pay attention to sounds, movement, breathing, are plants moving showing someone's there etc. If you're head is down in the weeds not paying attention to anything else you're going to lose people.
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@powerbats said:
The map is difficult yes but there's been a lot of good games on both sides and it's not just about scratch marks. That's what some people don't get about that map and some killers have expounded on about all maps in general.You need to pay attention to sounds, movement, breathing, are plants moving showing someone's there etc. If you're head is down in the weeds not paying attention to anything else you're going to lose people.
I understand your point , mine is that the map itself shouldn't negate perks in general . with the changes to preditor like they did this map basically turns that perk into a waisted spot altogether . perks should be a bennifit not a drawback because of map design be it survivor or killer .
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@Grimbergoth said:
@powerbats said:
The map is difficult yes but there's been a lot of good games on both sides and it's not just about scratch marks. That's what some people don't get about that map and some killers have expounded on about all maps in general.You need to pay attention to sounds, movement, breathing, are plants moving showing someone's there etc. If you're head is down in the weeds not paying attention to anything else you're going to lose people.
I understand your point , mine is that the map itself shouldn't negate perks in general . with the changes to preditor like they did this map basically turns that perk into a waisted spot altogether . perks should be a bennifit not a drawback because of map design be it survivor or killer .
That's a choice you make when you choose your perks, on some maps they'll work great while on others not so much. Look at Balanced Landing and how many maps where it's absolutely worthless.
The new map is a prime example of it being wasted, Groaning Storehouse it's great jumping from that 3rd story.
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if i recall correctly, this map has no big bamboo field where you could loose your traged mid chase?
also, this map is way better than any of the "super loop" maps out there!1 -
We're still not done making more threads about this map I see. Few pallets, no infinite loops, lots of grass. They're trying something new in order to do something about the complaints of pallet looping and making stealth more of a strategy instead
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This is not about "stealth", because there is no stealth involved if you lose the survivor mid chase, just because of "bambooblindness".
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.So now you're breaking it down to kill specific as an excuse.
Gideon's is great for Doctors, Nurses do well, I've seen Hags and trappers destroy, Billy's and even Bubbas. Crotus is made for Huntress and Clown, Billy's, Nurses, etc,
Oh and lets not forget swamp for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor.
Now for survivors depending on killer plenty of maps suck Gideon's, Swamp, and your hated cornfield maps well depending on killer they're good.
Your problem is you want every map to be great for every killer and that's not how it works, Lampkin Lane is Myers Map. If you can't do well with any killer on any given map then perhaps you just need to practice more.
The same is true for survivors on Lery's and Gideon's the 2 most hated maps especially against certain killers.
Swamp? For those killers? Do you actualy play this game, or just sit on forums? Swamp alongside with Farm are the worst maps for every killer.
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@RSB said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.So now you're breaking it down to kill specific as an excuse.
Gideon's is great for Doctors, Nurses do well, I've seen Hags and trappers destroy, Billy's and even Bubbas. Crotus is made for Huntress and Clown, Billy's, Nurses, etc,
Oh and lets not forget swamp for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor.
Now for survivors depending on killer plenty of maps suck Gideon's, Swamp, and your hated cornfield maps well depending on killer they're good.
Your problem is you want every map to be great for every killer and that's not how it works, Lampkin Lane is Myers Map. If you can't do well with any killer on any given map then perhaps you just need to practice more.
The same is true for survivors on Lery's and Gideon's the 2 most hated maps especially against certain killers.
Swamp? For those killers? Are do you actualy play this game, or just sit on forums? Swamp alongside with Farm are the worst maps for every killer.
You're joking right, Hag/Pig/Trapper and even Wraith love that map. Throw in a jumpscare Myers and Doctor who laughs at stealth play there.
If you can't do well with the killers i originally listed on swamp then that means you're the problem not the map or killers.
Why is it that so many killers do just fine with those maps and you somehow think it sucks?
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Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?0 -
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage.2 -
See there isn't really an agreement there as to which maps favor which killer (Trapper + Gideon may be the only definite exception, poor fella is in real trouble on that map).
You gotta realize, luck will always play a big role in this game. Hex totem placements? Godpallet locations? Killer is using his strongest addons or nothing? Or simply the fact killer may decide to go first exactly where you spawned or the opposite way...
And then, there's a lot of blind luck involved with maps vs which perks you are using. Some perks are great against stealth, some others are meant to counter looping. Can't pick the perfect ones if you don't know which map it's gonna be.
I don't think we should sweat it too much: we can pretend the game is based solely on skill, and getting our coveted pips is all due to our superior intellect and amazing talent, but it's often not the case.
If we wanted luck to be ruled out completely, we'd have to play chess. Unfortunately, there are no hooks in chess.0 -
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage.
Wraith 4k on Swamp.
1st day Rin came out
This was several months ago and they all dc'd one after the other once 1 saw my Jigsaw Box.
This was a Hag on Swamp during BBQ event.I could post plenty more images and probably some videos but that won't make you change your mind. I could post videos of Monto or Marth88 doing it and that still wouldn't be good enough. It doesn't really matter what proof I post it won't be good enough short of the devs posting stats.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage. Wraith 4k on Swamp. 1st day Rin came out This was several months ago and they all dc'd one after the other once 1 saw my Jigsaw Box. This was a Hag on Swamp during BBQ event.I could post plenty more images and probably some videos but that won't make you change your mind. I could post videos of Monto or Marth88 doing it and that still wouldn't be good enough. It doesn't really matter what proof I post it won't be good enough short of the devs posting stats.
These pictures still do not answer my question.
(Other than you show that any killer can noobstomp at rank 17)
Those pictures do not even show the map that was played.
Again, explain me what characteristics of this map -Swamp- will benefit the killer in any way.2 -
@Wolf74 said:
These pictures still do not answer my question.
(Other than you show that any killer can noobstomp at rank 17)
Those pictures do not even show the map that was played.
Again, explain me what characteristics of this map -Swamp- will benefit the killer in any way.As I said it doesn't matter what I post you'll just ignore it and oh about the rank 2 killer that obviously didn't noobstomp rank 17 you completely ignored that.
I could show the corresponding pictures if I had them and you'd just say it was photoshopped or some other excuse.
As far as explaining it's a waste of time and effort since you know full well certain killers do well on there and now you're just being trolly.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
These pictures still do not answer my question.
(Other than you show that any killer can noobstomp at rank 17)
Those pictures do not even show the map that was played.
Again, explain me what characteristics of this map -Swamp- will benefit the killer in any way.As I said it doesn't matter what I post you'll just ignore it and oh about the rank 2 killer that obviously didn't noobstomp rank 17 you completely ignored that.
I could show the corresponding pictures if I had them and you'd just say it was photoshopped or some other excuse.
As far as explaining it's a waste of time and effort since you know full well certain killers do well on there and now you're just being trolly.
You haven't even TRIED to answer my question.
Those pictures don't show anything.
And I want to hear from you -in words- what makes the swamp good to play for the killer you mentioned?
Where is an advantage for a killer playing a huge map with lots of stealth potential AND looping spots?
And as a mediocre survivor I have no problems to find hex totems on swamp, just saying.3 -
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
These pictures still do not answer my question.
(Other than you show that any killer can noobstomp at rank 17)
Those pictures do not even show the map that was played.
Again, explain me what characteristics of this map -Swamp- will benefit the killer in any way.As I said it doesn't matter what I post you'll just ignore it and oh about the rank 2 killer that obviously didn't noobstomp rank 17 you completely ignored that.
I could show the corresponding pictures if I had them and you'd just say it was photoshopped or some other excuse.
As far as explaining it's a waste of time and effort since you know full well certain killers do well on there and now you're just being trolly.
You haven't even TRIED to answer my question.
Those pictures don't show anything.
And I want to hear from you -in words- what makes the swamp good to play for the killer you mentioned?
Where is an advantage for a killer playing a huge map with lots of stealth potential AND looping spots?
And as a mediocre survivor I have no problems to find hex totems on swamp, just saying.Don't argue with forum troll. He is full of himself, and a surv main - illogical creature.
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@RSB said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
These pictures still do not answer my question.
(Other than you show that any killer can noobstomp at rank 17)
Those pictures do not even show the map that was played.
Again, explain me what characteristics of this map -Swamp- will benefit the killer in any way.As I said it doesn't matter what I post you'll just ignore it and oh about the rank 2 killer that obviously didn't noobstomp rank 17 you completely ignored that.
I could show the corresponding pictures if I had them and you'd just say it was photoshopped or some other excuse.
As far as explaining it's a waste of time and effort since you know full well certain killers do well on there and now you're just being trolly.
You haven't even TRIED to answer my question.
Those pictures don't show anything.
And I want to hear from you -in words- what makes the swamp good to play for the killer you mentioned?
Where is an advantage for a killer playing a huge map with lots of stealth potential AND looping spots?
And as a mediocre survivor I have no problems to find hex totems on swamp, just saying.Don't argue with forum troll. He is full of himself, and a surv main - illogical creature.
Actually I do know that … but since he is calling me out being biased and not wanting balance and lacking arguments … I wanted to give him a chance to show his arguments.
So far … let's say … I am still waiting.3 -
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
So when you get Gideons or another killer friendly map do you complain that it's too killer sided? It's all about learning the new map and where are the good places to hide, the loops, the vaults etc.How many maps do we have?
tell me.. how many are "killersided"?
Even Meat Plant is bad for several killer (Trapper, Billy). So this is not a 100% killersided map.
And I can't come up with any real "killersided" map anymore.
After the "rework" not even Shelter Wood is "killersided" anymore.So now you're breaking it down to kill specific as an excuse.
Gideon's is great for Doctors, Nurses do well, I've seen Hags and trappers destroy, Billy's and even Bubbas. Crotus is made for Huntress and Clown, Billy's, Nurses, etc,
Oh and lets not forget swamp for Hag, Trapper, Pig, Doctor.
Now for survivors depending on killer plenty of maps suck Gideon's, Swamp, and your hated cornfield maps well depending on killer they're good.
Your problem is you want every map to be great for every killer and that's not how it works, Lampkin Lane is Myers Map. If you can't do well with any killer on any given map then perhaps you just need to practice more.
The same is true for survivors on Lery's and Gideon's the 2 most hated maps especially against certain killers.
just beacuase you have "seen hags and trappers destroy" or billy or bubba does not mean its a good map. i have 4k with the nurse on lerys. lerys the map with very low visibility and packed full of deadzones. doing well on a map does not classify it as a good map for that killer. a bad map for a certain killer means you are at a disadvantage as soon as you start
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage.from my point of view the jedi are evil!! oh wait we arent talking about star wars...
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@xxaggieboyxx said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage.from my point of view the jedi are evil!! oh wait we arent talking about star wars...
As long as we can agree on "The last jedi" is the worse, I am fine.^^
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@Wolf74 said:
@xxaggieboyxx said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
Swamp is a terrible map for any killer.
I don't think you can explain how these killers should play to benefit from this map. Which powers compliment this map?I've been the killer as well as been survivor when on Swamp and people see it's a Trapper, Pig and Hag and they instantly rage quit. I've seen more rage quits on those maps and 4ks for them versus any other killer.
From my point of view that is just a made up claim.
I know we both cannot give prove to our claims, but I would like to hear WHY you think these killer are good on this map?
What tactic or power should work well with this map?
I seriously can't come up with ANY killer where I would use a Swamp offering to get an advantage.from my point of view the jedi are evil!! oh wait we arent talking about star wars...
As long as we can agree on "The last jedi" is the worse, I am fine.^^
i honestly dont know what i hated the most, last jedi or phantom menace. last jedi has nice fx but the story is just terrible and cheesy. phantom menace at least has some nice things about it. kinda but not really
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my only complaint with the map is that the bamboo is so dense that you cant see scratchmarks through it and this negates certain killer abilities all together . I don't feel the map should negate any ability survivor or killer .
Now as to people talking about trapper pig and doc yes I can see this map is a great one for them , the smaller size with the doc set up right and there is no stealth just like the warehouse , pig can disappear in the bamboo easily , and a trappers traps much like scratchamrks cannot be seen at all . So for those wanting points that make those killers strong on that map there you go .
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@Wolf74 said:
You haven't even TRIED to answer my question.
Those pictures don't show anything.
And I want to hear from you -in words- what makes the swamp good to play for the killer you mentioned?
Where is an advantage for a killer playing a huge map with lots of stealth potential AND looping spots?
And as a mediocre survivor I have no problems to find hex totems on swamp, just saying.The map is dark and has lots of ways to sneak up on people doing gens since quite a few are in blind spots.
For Trapper, there's plenty of great places to place traps including non obvious ones.
For hag the same is true and given they increased ehr TP range she can cover most of the mpa easily.
For the Pig it's super easy to sneak up on people due to all the aforementioned blind spots That and the fact you've got no terror radius means ambushes are much easier.
Oh and now you throw in the Red Herring about large maps when the discussion is about small maps like Swamp. Talk about being a forum troll.
Yet an other straw Man that had nothing to do with the discussion about killer advantages on a small map because all maps have a problem with hex totems being easy to find. Again talk about being a forum troll.
So there I posted several reasons why those killers can do well on Swamp.
@RSB said:
Don't argue with forum troll. He is full of himself, and a surv main - illogical creature.
Speaking of forum trolls, the usual tried and failed insult from you when you can't refute my arguments go with the insults.
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I always had my best matches as a Hag on the Swamp. Her small size and traps are a big advantage there. As far as corn blindness goes... I have to say "git gud" even while I cringe at myself. All you need to do is pay attention to the corn moving and look for the off colors, and no Survivor will ever lose you in there. If you're looking at the ground and following their scratches, that's on you. Need to adjust your vision. Plenty of Killers I've faced have no problems tracking me down in there, and a good Billy in the corn is pretty terrifying.
As far as the new map is concerned, if you're losing Survivors while they're running, then you need to work on your own skills. I've personally had Killers lose track of me, but only when I crouched down and stopped moving after breaking LoS. The bamboo addition is a fantastic one imo. It might be a bit thick in places, but it provides chances for the Survivors to actually break off and make the Killer lose LoS rather than pallet loop for days. I much prefer this as I refuse to loop, and having anything that gives me a chance to get all immersed is a pleasure.
The one good thing about the Swamp map, and I have used those Offerings playing as a Killer many times, is Totem placement. Most people crowd the middle, and a lot of spawns are near the edges, so you have a much better chance of having them last more than the usual 10-20 seconds into a match. In any event, each map has its own particular issue from both sides and it's up to the person at the keyboard to adapt to those issues and make them irrelevant.
I hate The Game playing as Survivor or Killer, but most of that is from unfamiliarity. It rarely gets chosen by RNGesus to allow me to get experience on it. Doesn't mean it's a bad map on either side, I just don't know it very well. I do wish they would weight the newer maps for the first month though. Would be nice to play on Yamaoka more often than when I burn an Offering for it.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
You haven't even TRIED to answer my question.
Those pictures don't show anything.
And I want to hear from you -in words- what makes the swamp good to play for the killer you mentioned?
Where is an advantage for a killer playing a huge map with lots of stealth potential AND looping spots?
And as a mediocre survivor I have no problems to find hex totems on swamp, just saying.The map is dark and has lots of ways to sneak up on people doing gens since quite a few are in blind spots.
For Trapper, there's plenty of great places to place traps including non obvious ones.
For hag the same is true and given they increased ehr TP range she can cover most of the mpa easily.
For the Pig it's super easy to sneak up on people due to all the aforementioned blind spots That and the fact you've got no terror radius means ambushes are much easier.
Oh and now you throw in the Red Herring about large maps when the discussion is about small maps like Swamp. Talk about being a forum troll.
Yet an other straw Man that had nothing to do with the discussion about killer advantages on a small map because all maps have a problem with hex totems being easy to find. Again talk about being a forum troll.
So there I posted several reasons why those killers can do well on Swamp.
@RSB said:
Don't argue with forum troll. He is full of himself, and a surv main - illogical creature.
Speaking of forum trolls, the usual tried and failed insult from you when you can't refute my arguments go with the insults.
A map that is dark and has lots of LOS breaker is an advantage for killer in general for him to "sneak up"?
Ever heard of something like a "Terrorradius", dude?^^
Of course there are some exceptions -mainly Myers- that can take advantage from it, but since survivor have 3rd person view instead of 1st, this is usually not a good mapfeature that would benefit the killer.
Of course there are situations where it is difficult to pinpoint the direction of the killer and a smaller one like Hag with a smaller TR can sometimes confuse a survivor, but that is usually again the survivor mistake that the killer capitalize on.For Trapper the whole map is terrible, because swamp is BIG and the traps are far apart to collect and Trapper has to waste more time and you can't trap the whole map , not even a good part of it.
Same goes for Hag... BIG map, slow movement speed and limited port range, not a benefit for her at all.
And Pigs camera crouching is so low that survivor can go unnoticed right beside her.
Nothing you said makes The Swamp a good map for killer,.
But you are right in one point, this whole thread was not about the Swamp, but about the Family Residence.
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@Wolf74 said:
A map that is dark and has lots of LOS breaker is an advantage for killer in general for him to "sneak up"?
Ever heard of something like a "Terrorradius", dude?^^
Of course there are some exceptions -mainly Myers- that can take advantage from it, but since survivor have 3rd person view instead of 1st, this is usually not a good mapfeature that would benefit the killer.
Of course there are situations where it is difficult to pinpoint the direction of the killer and a smaller one like Hag with a smaller TR can sometimes confuse a survivor, but that is usually again the survivor mistake that the killer capitalize on.For Trapper the whole map is terrible, because swamp is BIG and the traps are far apart to collect and Trapper has to waste more time and you can't trap the whole map , not even a good part of it.
Same goes for Hag... BIG map, slow movement speed and limited port range, not a benefit for her at all.
And Pigs camera crouching is so low that survivor can go unnoticed right beside her.
Nothing you said makes The Swamp a good map for killer,.
But you are right in one point, this whole thread was not about the Swamp, but about the Family Residence.
You totally ignored the person above who plays Hag on that map and Pig with zero terror radius in ambush mode. Shelso good even in non stealth mode since her model is so low to the ground like hag's.
Did you ever hear of that thing called you now Monitor and Abuse that helps killers sneak up on people, you know the good perk that good killers use.
Then the typical it's a survivor mistake and not a killer making good plays excuse.
You've obviously never played Trapper well enough nor Hag nor Pig to be that good on them if you think the map is bad for them. The map isn't big compared to say Macmillan Estates etc,
You also can't trap the whole map and nice Straw Man there since you could never trap a entire map ever. If you place traps well you do well, if you suck at placing them you suck at Trapper plain and simple.
That's why good Hag players place their traps with care and where it best suits how they intend to play. If you suck at placing her traps then you suck t playing Hag, plain and simple.
If you sduck at playing her then you won't notice that survivor which is why you don't tunnel vision and you pay attention to everything not just what you see in a narrow cone in front of you.
The good Pig players pay attention to sounds of movement, of breathing, of if the grass is swaying showing someones there. They also pay attention to if grass isn't straight up like normal signifying that hey there's a survivor there probably.
The bottom line is that nothing you said makes the Swamp a bad map for those killers, it in fact makes you a bad killer with those killers on that map.
To finish I summon my esteemed Leatherface society member @Lowbei to give you the gift of killer main logic and wisdom.
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@powerbats said:
The bottom line is that nothing you said makes the Swamp a bad map for those killers, it in fact makes you a bad killer with those killers on that map.
Back to topic...
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
The bottom line is that nothing you said makes the Swamp a bad map for those killers, it in fact makes you a bad killer with those killers on that map.
Back to topic...
That was awesome.
Now as to maps they did say that on ptb they're reducing map sizes on some maps. I don't know about the other changes though.
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(Stone Cold meme = talking garbage and celebrating himself afterwards)
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The swamp is ok with me, as just about all killers. Even as the trapper, if you trap the boat, youre gonna catch some flies.
also, hag op!
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lol
"Swamp is ok" "Swamp is beneficial to certain killer"
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There is no such thing as "bambooblindness." It's just a survivor being better than you and knowing when to hide. You're just making excuses to get a map nerfed because you aren't good at tracking. Use your ears and look around you when you lose a survivor, maybe then you'll secure that 4 kill.Wolf74 said:This is not about "stealth", because there is no stealth involved if you lose the survivor mid chase, just because of "bambooblindness".
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Next best thing I encountered… some of the bamboo is actually solid and cause LF to throw a tantrum in the middle of the bamboo. Yay!^^
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@Wolf74 said:
Next best thing I encountered… some of the bamboo is actually solid and cause LF to throw a tantrum in the middle of the bamboo. Yay!^^I wonder if they'd ever pout it in that eh can cut it down temporarily but at the cost of a longer charge time fora short duration.
You ahve to admit that'd be funnier than sh^t to see him weedwhakcing his way around.
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