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5 hour ban after being disconnected as killer
Had no other internet interruptions on my internet network. In other words, modem or connection wasn't a issue.
I have 1400+ hrs in this game. I know how to avoid long DC penalties. The point of this thread is to recognize an issue that happens in a variety of ways. Analyzing that in certain times these bans can get out of hand due to outside interferences that a player has no control of. (i.e power outages, neighborhood internet outage)
And to say just don't manually DC in the first place, is not addressing the core issue.
(Im seeking better solutions.)
Players manually DCing should be penalized. At the same time, as you understand already, there instances that cause undeserved penalties. There needs to be better incentives to keep players from DCing. Examples, match ending immediately if a DC occurs. Also, not punishing by de-pipping survivors for being tunneled, camped and slugged would also incentivize players not to DC.
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I had pc issues (lost my overclock settings) and this was the only game that would make it crash. I could sit in the lobby with youtube and twitch playing and running a cpu stress test just fine. but the moment i get into the game something will trigger it. the 30 minute ban happened from someone missing a skill check just as i hit a survivor and boom the pc locked up and the game forced closed.
Running on stock settings to lower the ban time and avoid crashes...
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You get a lot of chances leading up to a 5 hour ban. The 3 min bans are for those that do have casual game blurps, not for those that punch the wall after get hooked/looped.
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It shouldn't matter. If I said I was banned for 3 or 12 minutes of said reason, no one would blink an eye.
Imagine DCing twice because of bad matches. Then DCing twice again because of game crashes. You'll end up with a hour ban. Is that fair? Is that justified?
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yes because there are 4 other players in the match who you just wasted their time
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Is it anyone else's fault besides your own that you rage quit multiple times in a short time, and also that YOUR pc crashed? No? Right.
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Its not about the 5 hour ban.
Imagine learning your lesson after leaving prison. Then you get put back in prison for a crime you didn't commit. I have never had a ban this long. I have had plenty of game crash bans ranging from 3 - 30 minute bans. Its not right.
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So a player, the killer in this instance, should be banned because their game crashed? Where's the sense?
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the issue is that you did not crash just once you crashed multiple times and because you keep playing again and again even though you know it might crash instead of fixing the problem you deserve the long ban times
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That's nonsense. How am I supposed to know it will crash? Im not saying the crashes were back to back. Obviously, you wouldn't play if they were frequently back to back crashes. So you can never tell. Other multiplayer games work fine. Internet is okay. DBD the only game I know of punishing players for something on their end.
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then why should the other 4 players de-pip because someone who crashes regularly keeps playing despite that. i get it.. you are not doing it intentionally but there are people out there who do and there is no program out there that can tell the difference so the game punishes people equally. also there are plenty of games that punish players for issues on there end and have stacking ban systems like League, dota, counter strike, valorant, rainbow 6 etc... dbd falls into the same category of game type as you need a full lobby to start a match unlike drop in drop out games like tf2, call of duty, battle field that don't have ban systems for people who DC
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Well, if you murder 4 people for fun, get out of prison and immediately accidentally run someone over in your car, news flash, Noone is gonna believe you or care about your plight, you're going back in the slammer.
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Yes. The 4 "short" bans are there precisely for crashes or bugged trials, not so you can rage quit. If you're getting more than 4 drops within a 24 hour period, then perhaps consider taking a break until your connection is more stable.
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Manslaughter is still a crime. We're talking about literally doing nothing illegal or crime related, and getting time for it.
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The connection is stable. The game crashes because some random event or item clipping.
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I believe him, I had a similar problem as survivor.
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Survivors dont de-pip if killer DC's. And these other AAA games dont have many bugs that cause crashes.
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Well I don't know what to tell you, I've been at this game for almost 4 years and I can count on two fingers the amount of times my game crashed or blue screened which would have resulted in a DC penalty. I've had my circuit breaker randomly trip because my family is using space heaters half a dozen times, even a power outage/flicker a couple times, normally if you freeze up or blue screen, which is rare, don't think I've had it in about 6 months, it happens in the lobby or loading screen without dc penalty. My point is if this game were that unstable, even bhvr wouldn't implement dc penalties, if they did this forum would be nothing but complaints about the penalties. This is maybe the second post I've seen whining about timeouts, and the op's both times admit they rage dc several times and then get pissed that the game supposedly crashes and they get a serious ban. You won't get any traction with your arguments. This isn't a 32v32 massive game where one player leaving is irrelevant. 1 of 5 players dcing ruins the entire game for everyone else, so just stop the bs and stop the whining. If you're losing hopelessly as killer go make a sandwich. If the game is clearly over but the killer is dragging it out, go make a sandwich or hook suicide. Get over yourself.
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You're missing the point entirely. The only real reason you snuff out this conversation was because it was a long ban. If I had said this was a 3 minute ban, there would be no conversation because no one cares. The fact is that DC penalties even happen for crashed matches because of something on DBD's end. I am not saying the crashes are back to back. But the fact that they still exist every now and then (2-5 times a month) is unacceptable. To your point, if a survivor should manually DC, the match should end automatically, without any consequences except for player who did it. Only players who manually DC should be punished. And listen, not everyone goes through the same routers or nodes you do. Not everyone plays on a PC. Let alone a PC optimized for games like this.
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Thank you. I play both survivor and killer. I experience game crashes with both.
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Yes, it is fair.
You can argue that the two times because of crashes might not be fair, however, the two times DCing because of "bad matches" add up on your time.
You cannot Ragequit a couple of games and then complain when your game actually crashes, that you have a high penalty.
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Hold on. Think about it. The two match crash DC's occurred "after" the bad match DC's. And so, penalty's are longer from match crash DC's. In no way is that justified or fair.
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No, that's not how it works. The penalties escalate the more you DC, up to a certain point, and go down after some time. If you hadn't DC'd on purpose, the penalties for the crashes would've been minimal.
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They are so long because you ragequit the games before. If you would not have ragequit, you would have had a lower penalty in your gamecrashes.
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Yes, the penalties reset. But look at it from this standpoint.
If I at 3pm manually DC'ed twice because of bad matches, and at 8-9pm get two match crashes DC's, the longer penalties are not justified.
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No, penalties for the game crashing without you doing something to make it crash are not fair. Unfortunately, there are too many dishonest people who'd take advantage of this hypothetical exception to DC whenever they wanted, for any reason, without any drawbacks, so we have to put up with them.
My advice? Don't DC on purpose. This won't be an issue.
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If that's take away from this, then that's not right.
Look, there also been times as well where I had longer penalties due to outside interference. I had one crash match DC, but also two neighborhood street internet outages which resulted in two additional penalties. And therefore, the penalties were out of my hands entirely.
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How are the devs supposed to tell the difference between you pulling the cord and a bona fide outage?
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While it indeed was out of your hand, you cannot really do anything about it. If the DC-Penalty would only apply on manual DCs via the "Leave Match"-option, people would be able to avoid them by pressing ATL+F4 for example. Or by pulling out their internet.
There would be no way to see if someone did that manually or if it was out of their control. It would just open a cheap way for players to get out of games for whatever reason without a penalty.
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And that's the issue. Listen, my personal opinion is to have matches end if a player DC's. And only that player should be penalized with ban and de-pip.
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Well, did you DC a few times before the 5 hour ban? Just asking.
I think a time ban for this is fair and necessary. It's inarguably 100% fair for chronic DCers. And if you keep DCing because of your internet, why would you even want to keep playing the game if your internet is so inconsistent that you don't know if you'll DC in the middle of a game?
Even outside of that, it's not solely about you at that point, it's about the other players, too. I don't want to have a solo queue teammate with internet so bad that he might just DC at a random critical moment, even knowing it is out of his control. Having to play a match 1 man down is never a good time and sometimes honestly makes me wish that *I* could DC without repercussions.
Even having a killer DC can be really inconvenient- I've lost items due to killers unexpectedly DCing (pick up a brown medkit to heal, pick your purple flashlight up afterwards), have wasted bloodpoint offerings (hate putting on BPS only to have the killer DC on the first long chase with a different survivor before I can even interact or get many points).
Anyways, the game can't always tell whether you DCd purposely or not. Internet DCs are very abusable, anyways, which is why they don't bother differentiating.
If it's DBD itself DCing you from an internal issue that isn't related to your hardware or internet, then that's a whole other story and nobody should be punished for it. My friends and I have actually been having some issues with it lately but it usually happens before a match DC penalty would come into effect. Not sure how big of an issue it is- I've only been DCd through literally no fault of my own (no internet connection loss, either) once before.
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Your not catching the point on what your being told.
The game doesn't crash that often for others. No where near the amount of times that would lead up to a 5 hour ban so something else is going on that is somewhat specific to you. For example your system doesn't meet the minimum requirements for the game or your internet connection isn't stable enough(since most aren't having this issue it does seem to be on your end somewhere and not server side).
Their are 4 other players who wait to play a match. if your rage quitting, having system issues, internet issues(I'll reiterate that the problem is not wide spread among other players and as such it would seem it is on your end.), etc. then you're negatively impacting them.
If your up to a 5 hour ban then it is a chronic issue on your end. No matter how many times you state it isn't it a major point on the issue.
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Then there's the root of the problem. If a player is treated unfair by teammates or killer, they will de-pip regardless. And so why would a survivor want to participate in match that will de-pip them anyway? Why play into a toxic survivor's or killer's intentions. Survivors should not be punished, de-piped, for playing honest and playing harder all to de-pip anyway. There needs to be more incentives or rewards for players not to DC.
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My game crashed before too. By the time I rebooted the xbox, 3 mins already passed and I didn't even notice the ban.
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The incentive is you get to keep whatever BP you got, because that's the incentive for playing normally in the first place.
If you are playing with/against one or more people who are breaking the rules, then record their behavior and then report them.
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The argument is not about the length of the ban, but rather getting an additional ban for doing nothing wrong. This was a game crash. Not an internet drop or anything like that.
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Well you just ruined 4 games in the span of an hour, if you have PC and internet issues is just and justified to keep ruining other people games?.
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But you understand, stuff like this happens so frequently, maybe not all at once, but in certain intervals. Im not willing and wanting to report stuff like this every single time.
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It wasn't a internet issue. The game crashed because of some physics or clipping the match could not handle.
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It's not about the duration. The argument is getting banned because of a game crash that had nothing to do with internet issues.
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I mean... it is about the amount of chances you had before dcing constantly otherwise why put 5 hour ban in the title. The 30 second DC is for those that have a game crash or internet issue. You obviously used it for something else and now when you needed it the most you got stuck with 5 hours
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Your still not catching the point. It has been explained to you several times. Like what you have been told or not it has been explained and your are just going in circles.
The problem seems on your end somewhere. Not the game servers. Otherwise more would be experiencing it.
Honestly you may have had some disconnection issues or you may not have. Being at 5 hours(And yes that is a major point on this.) I am guessing that rage quitting makes up a good portion of that and if that is the case I have no sympathy for you. It is a selfish behavior that ruins the match for others.
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Right now the game is stable enough to not drop 4 times in the span of an hour, is that is happening is something on your end, either corrupted files, limited hardware, overheating or wathever.
I cant remember the last time I crashed so many times in so little time and seeing how the forum is not choke full of "the game crashes a lot" threads like it was when the game did crash a lot Im going to deduce its something on your side. If you keep brute forcing your way into matches and keep getting disconected there is a moment when they have to curb that for the sake of the rest of the players.
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I never said I kept crashing.
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I have 1400+ hrs in this game. I know how to avoid long DC penalties. The realization is hardly anyone checks a thread about a 3 minute ban. The point of the thread was to recognize an issue that happens in a variety of ways. Analyzing that in certain times these bans can get out of hand due to outside interferences that a player has no control of.
And to say just don't manually DC in the first place, is not addressing the core issue.
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"It wasn't a internet issue. The game crashed because of some physics or clipping the match could not handle." and "It's not about the duration. The argument is getting banned because of a game crash that had nothing to do with internet issues." Then what you mean by this?.
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I've updated the original thread post.
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So what's your point? There should be no dc penalty so that no match ever gets finished and it's gg for the killer unless you got a 4 man swf? Bc that's what will happen
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Ok, getting a ban because something failed and it wasn't your fault is annoying, I can agree. But if you never DC and get a 3 minute ban, well, it's not the end of the world.
Now, to get a 5 hour ban, it means you DC'ed a lot. And yes, since the title of the topic is the said 5 hour ban, of course people are going to talk about it. A problem once or even twice a day may happen, but if people get a lot of time as a penalty, then they are the ones DC'ing when they should not, so they don't really have a real reason to complain.
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that has to happen at least half a dozen times within a 24 hour period to get that bad iirc, either look into packet loss on your connection with the game or stop playing if you dc so much. After the first time i dot hat I usually play something else since wasn't really in the mood for the game's bs at that point. chances are you weren't either
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Im seeking better solutions.
Players manually DCing should be penalized. At the same, as you understand already, there instances that cause undeserved penalties. There needs to be better incentives to keep players from DCing. Examples, match ending immediately if a DC occurs. Also, not punishing by de-pipping survivors for being tunneled, camped and slugged would also incentivize players to not DC.
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