Devs "We wanna rework DS" also Devs "DS rework not satisfying"
So basically DS is this broken perk that requires you to do a skill check and its basically a get out of jail free card. But it seems the devs can't even figure how too nerf it to make it "satisfying" just remove the damn perk already its been stated its broken at any speed already. Just rip off the band aid and remove the damn perk stop stalling and do it....
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They can't simply remove it because it's one of the 3 perks from Laurie. Either they rework it or replace it for something else.5
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Well they obviously are too afraid to touch the perk....
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Its not satisfying now lol and their excuse is its not "satisfying"
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Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.
Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
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The real question is: not satisfying for whom?
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@sorrowen said:
So basically DS is this broken perk that requires you to do a skill check and its basically a get out of jail free card. But it seems the devs can't even figure how too nerf it to make it "satisfying" just remove the damn perk already its been stated its broken at any speed already. Just rip off the band aid and remove the damn perk stop stalling and do it....I predicted this and it happened.
I really hope the sabotage meta will be so frustrating that they have to do some weird hotfixes to fix their game that is falling apart
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@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
I'd like not have to do that lol
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@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
It is THREE TIMES easier now to heal a slugged survivor.
Just a coincidence?
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
It is THREE TIMES easier now to heal a slugged survivor.
Just a coincidence?
So I guess I will spell this out. Unless you are running an obsession perk, you can tell which survivors use DS, because the only good obsession perk a survivor will use is DS.Therefore, 95% of your trials, the obsession is gonna be running DS.
If you slug the DS user and go chase someone else, you now have pressure on the map. 1 dying survivor, 1 survivor being chased, 1 survivor running to heal the DS and 1 survivor working on gens. Your alternative is to pick up the DS user, get stunned and continue the chase and getting looped by the same survivor. This is the tactic they are hoping you will fall for. You went from having 1 survivor working on gens to having 3 remain on gens.This means gen rush because you couldn't pressure the map.
Let the DS user bleed out if you have to. Slug them and move on until they fix DS. Or just continue getting owned by survivors and coming to the forums to QQ about it, really up to you.
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DS restarts the chase hence its a op perk.
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^ some people -_-
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@iceman2kx said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
It is THREE TIMES easier now to heal a slugged survivor.
Just a coincidence?
So I guess I will spell this out. Unless you are running an obsession perk, you can tell which survivors use DS, because the only good obsession perk a survivor will use is DS.Therefore, 95% of your trials, the obsession is gonna be running DS.
If you slug the DS user and go chase someone else, you now have pressure on the map. 1 dying survivor, 1 survivor being chased, 1 survivor running to heal the DS and 1 survivor working on gens. Your alternative is to pick up the DS user, get stunned and continue the chase and getting looped by the same survivor. This is the tactic they are hoping you will fall for. You went from having 1 survivor working on gens to having 3 remain on gens.This means gen rush because you couldn't pressure the map.
Let the DS user bleed out if you have to. Slug them and move on until they fix DS. Or just continue getting owned by survivors and coming to the forums to QQ about it, really up to you.
The problem with that slugging strategy is that picking up a slugged survivor will get three times easier with next patch, yes THREE TIMES as in 300% easier.
Slugging has already been extremely difficult to pull off vs SWF, now after the patch they can pick up each other while walking basically
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Why are you being such a ######### about it?
If they say the results came out unsatisfying then obviously it’s not up to par on how they wanted it to be. They’re trying to get good results from it to where it’ll be balanced AKA not too killer sided & not too survivor sided.
They can’t just remove the perk because it belongs to a licensed character. They’re not stalling, it takes time and hard thinking.
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They don't even know what they want it to be if they can't choose a perk change.
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You're not slugging the entire team, just one person. It's not about it being a super effective strategy, it's about it being more effective than the alternative. If you're running Enduring and the DS user wasn't particularly good at looping and there's no pallets around, well that might be the better option than slugging. Other killers that mindlessly down/pick up a survivor/hook a survivor without thinking get owned by DS because they aren't using strategy. Like at all.
Just to make this clear, I am not defending DS at all. I hate the perk and I do my best to make the user suffer in my trials for it. There's just not too many effective strategies against DS so it's a pick your poison option here.
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Devs don't care how long it takes when killers are the ones suffering.
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@PinkEricka said:
Why are you being such a ######### about it?If they say the results came out unsatisfying then obviously it’s not up to par on how they wanted it to be. They’re trying to get good results from it to where it’ll be balanced AKA not too killer sided & not too survivor sided.
They can’t just remove the perk because it belongs to a licensed character. They’re not stalling, it takes time and hard thinking.
They are "hard thinking" for 2 years now, yes thats how loong this broken perk already exists.
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why do you feel you need more free hand outs0
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@PinkEricka said:
They can’t just remove the perk because it belongs to a licensed character. They’re not stalling, it takes time and hard thinking.Weird how that had no barring at all when they changed StBFL.....
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@Tsulan said:
The real question is: not satisfying for whom?Well they got hit hard with negativity from just talking about touching Self Care, so i'd wager they wouldn't be satisfied with touching DS cause they'd probably get death threads from the horrible Survivor mains.
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Which means DS could end up with a buff.
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The results were not satisfying for our team, there will be more details about why it wasn't good enough in it's current form during the YouTube Q&A on Thursday!
EDIT: typo
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@not_Queen said:
The results were not satisfying for our team, there will be more details about why it wasn't good enough in it's current form during the YouTube Q&A on Thursday!Is it perhaps that the giant Skill Check wasn't big enough?
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@not_Queen said:
The results were not satisfying for our team, there will be more details about why it wasn't good enough in it's current form during the YouTube Q&A on Thursday!EDIT: typo
Thanks for answering
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This is a survivor's world and us killers are just along for the ride.ZombieGenesis said:They're not even trying DS nerfs on the PTB. People need to stop expecting this change, it's never going to happen. Not after this past June when survivors destroyed the steam ratings. Ya just gotta deal with it.
They'll nerf it when they come up with a nerf that doesn't make it near useless.1 -
Decisive Strike is where it needs to be.not_Queen said:The results were not satisfying for our team, there will be more details about why it wasn't good enough in it's current form during the YouTube Q&A on Thursday!
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I'm tired of them begging for free hsnd outs.
It is a one time use perk use if any change is made just reduce the stun time or remove the stun .
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@sorrowen said:
Well they obviously are too afraid to touch the perk....How are they afraid? The nerfed sprint perks, increased healing, and are working on the ds change. If it doesn't work how they intend and let's say instead of stun the killer 1 out every 100 games the killer is frozen in place the rest of the trial. How would that help. Maybe with the new obsession based perks the new ds doesn't offer a balance. Chill out they shrunk to of the worse maps for killers, increased heal time, and spread pallets further apart.
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@fcc2014 said:
@sorrowen said:
Well they obviously are too afraid to touch the perk....How are they afraid? The nerfed sprint perks, increased healing, and are working on the ds change. If it doesn't work how they intend and let's say instead of stun the killer 1 out every 100 games the killer is frozen in place the rest of the trial. How would that help. Maybe with the new obsession based perks the new ds doesn't offer a balance. Chill out they shrunk to of the worse maps for killers, increased heal time, and spread pallets further apart.
You can't really exclude the "They're afraid" option anymore, since that's literally the reason for them not nerfing Self Care.
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Can't wait to hear their "reason" for not nerfing DS on Thursday..2
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@sorrowen said:
@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
I'd like not have to do that lol
Then run enduring on your build. Problem solved.
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@The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Can't wait to hear their "reason" for not nerfing DS on Thursday..seeing the reaction i don't think anything they say will satisfy anyone already mad that it didn't come.
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A rework is pointless since there's now Deliverance. It's the non-broken version of D-Strike.
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@Nightmare247 said:
@sorrowen said:
@iceman2kx said:
Quit crying, jeez. Yea DS SUCKS but I'd rather them delay it for another month or two than release an update where DS is barely even affected.Until then, L2 slug. Leave the DS user crawling on the ground the entire game, at least make them suffer for their DS rather than pick them up and let them use it.
I'd like not have to do that lol
Then run enduring on your build. Problem solved.
You can't use common sense in these types of arguments but i applaud your attempt to bring sense and reason to the conversation.
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@fcc2014 It's less then I'm mad and more that I'm just disappointed at the moment. I hope it's a good reason. Was looking forward to the nerf to see more variety in my matches and less free escapes.. but no matter I can wait.5
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@Brady said:
A rework is pointless since there's now Deliverance. It's the non-broken version of D-Strike.How do you figure? They still get 1 hook and no matter what the next hook they get they are in struggle. DS means you may not even get them to the hook. I will take the guaranteed hook over the potential miss.
@fcc2014 Common sense is lacking I can definitely agree. People don't want to change how they play, "Git Gud", because it takes time and effort so they scream for the Devs to change things to cater to their style of play so they can continue to be lazy.
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@The_Fallen_Utopia I know how much it sucks losing that person or in some cases when you have a whole team running ds but it has been in the game all this time. People still rank and still kill. The early version where everyone gets a huge window but broken the rest of the game i really liked. The version where it stuns in place could turn into a flashlight/hook breaking fest. I would rather be able to 1 shot that person the rest of the game but that is just me.
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This can only get better....
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@fcc2014 I liked that version too. It gave them 1 extra chance when they want it in exchange for only 1 chance in future chases. It fit the risk vs reward idea that obsession perks are supposed to have.4
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@BadMrFrosty said:
This can only get better....Great Job well earned!
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You'd think I had fun that game. Wrong.
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I'm sure with 3 ds that was a pain in the ass.
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@Nightmare247People don't want to change how they play, "Git Gud", because it takes time and effort so they scream for the Devs to change things to cater to their style of play so they can continue to be lazy.
^ Exactly this.
Everyone has to be able to tell what are their weaknesses and create a build and a playstyle around it, but some people rather complain about things and wait for the solution to come by itself instead of learning how to manage it.2 -
This would eliminate the need for DS nerf. If you agree, be sure to tag the devs in the post. https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/16907/the-change-to-balance-all-levels-of-play-dying-state-2-0#latest2
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@DarkWo1f997 said:
This would eliminate the need for DS nerf. If you agree, be sure to tag the devs in the post. https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/16907/the-change-to-balance-all-levels-of-play-dying-state-2-0#latestI like the ideas it does changes the core mechanics but that isn't a bad thing. Maybe repost it in the wishlist and shrink it down most people won't read all of that.
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The main problem that Self Care creates is still present, even in the new PTB.
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Making it take longer even if a few seconds extends the game and buys time. They will never take everything away it just won't happen. You still need 5 to play unless they introduce bots.
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