Why Gamers Don't Play Killer
Turn your back and a generator is done. Slug someone and a generator is done. Play "fair" and generators (plural) are done.
When you play well, you're called trash. When you don't play well, you're called trash. When you play "fair," you're called trash.
It's entirely discouraging. Frankly, of all the times I've stopped playing, it was because of the killer role and survivor toxicity.
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Hello, My name is Baby_Victor and so also have been abused by a survivor.
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The devs need to remove toxic strategies from both the killer and the survivors. Catering to one side will not solve the problem.
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There are those who think they are gamers, then there are old gamers like myself who just looks at it as another list of challenges I've faced in a long list of challenges I've stepped up to in my decades of gaming.
But... I also enjoy games like Dark Souls, so I might just be a masochist.
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Please tell us something we don't know
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Seems like a lot of people don’t know this because I the forums constantly crying and begging for survivors to be nerfed 1000 times and swfs nerfed or removed but every time someone says to nerf or stop face campers, hard tunnelers or sluggers it’s just constant hate and people trying to say those strategies are perfectly fine and non toxic.
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Yeah but this thread is relatively unbiased, at least at OPs standpoint.
They just said killer is difficult in a long, convoluted way.
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i think gen speeds should be decreased or add another compulsory objective.
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Oopsies guess I'm not a 'gamer'
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Just Get better, I play killer and I don't have your problems.
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There are no such things as toxic strategies for either side. They are challenges to overcome, nothing more.
There are simply people who can't adapt to countering said strategies and refuse to accept that they might be in the wrong game.
If a killer is getting beat by the gen rush, they have to get better. If survivors can't beat a camper - they need to get better.
It's that simple... FULL STOP
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It's funny, I literally came onto this forum just now as I wanted to make a thread about why I was just reminded why Killer isn't fun. Seeing as someone else made a thread, I'll just vent here.
I was playing Blight on suffocation pit, the survivors seemed decent enough, I had to slug a little, for my first hook I stayed in the area since I had a slug there, and saw scratch marks, so someone was nearby. I also re-hooked a Jake at one point because he was unhooked and his rescuer did not make themselves known to me.
Anyway, it got to 1 gen left and I killed the Jake, hooked another person. Then 2 survivors who looted a key left.
Not wanting an argument I just said "gg" and "nerf keys". The guy said "it's fair because we did 4 gens".
I said not at all, because they had 3-genned themselves so there was no way I wasn't getting a 3/4k at this point. At this point one of them said "well we wouldn't play" (that's survivor logic for you there, we will just give up and therefore its void?).
Then the guy started saying "you camped the first hook" (I literally saw scratch marks, I would have took my 2nd hook and went to another gen). Then he starts saying I was slugging. I said slugging is necessary to win as a Killer, and he said "NO LOL". At this point I just withdrew my GG and moved on.
It just annoyed me though that not only these survivors thought the key escape was fair, but they then go and criticize my tactics I used?
At this point I just went and played Bubba and camped 2 people to death and got a 4k on Lerys, after a while you get sick of being accused of things so you just do them, why not, you get moaned at anyway.
Wow, big rant. Sorry.
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Game would be dead if they tried to remove everything considered toxic. It would be an extremely railroaded game with very little depth.
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Not really. Just punish face camping and hard tunneling and give killers a blood point bound or something for playing against swfs. That’s all the really needs to be done
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That is something you should be proud of lol.
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Know what, yeah, that's a valid point.
I'll keep my title as Cow Whisperer and allow others to take this spot.
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Nah man, I completed all Dark Souls and Bloodborne and I can't stand DbD toxic survivors. Even LoL players are more chill than DbDs.
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Survivor, what makes you think that if I already lost all the generators, I will let you unhook the only survivor that I managed to hook into the base?
Why do you get mad if I face camp?
If you don't want to deal with it, you are free to open the gate and leave.
I will not do what you think is honorable, I will do what is convenient for me to do
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Don't get me wrong skill is a big factor in how well you do as killer. That said for the most part in red ranks, if you aren't playing as a killer like Nurse or Spirit gen regression perks are essentially a necessity. Skill can only carry you so far if you play against a coordinated SWF. I find it frustrating that the game forces most people to run gen regression perks thanks to the speed gens can be completed at.
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Well #########, and here i thought i was a gamer.
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The only thing wrong with this post is the fact that you make it sound like no gamers play killer. You can complain about how awful it is to play killer without saying that gamers only play survivor.
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I said, "Why gamers don't play killer"
I did not say, "Why no gamer plays killer"
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Just be a douche canoe. Having a bad day? Facecamp with leatherface. Make a ton of slugs and watch them bleed out. Do whatever you can to just piss them off even more. You don't have to win, you just can ensure they aren't having a good time. That's kind of the idea of a killer, yeah?
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Be a douche pontoon and be unable to rock the boat. Sounds good to me! I love your mind.
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Ironically, killer is thankless. If you try to play fair and dignified, you lose. There's just no escaping that, a perfect survivor experience is the killer getting bullied hard and taking it like a champ. But the moment you play a little dirty you get called the worst thing since [insert truamatic event here]. You're not allowed to call survivors out for miserable playstyles, but you're not allowed to tunnel, camp or mega slug. Please ignore holding W, actual genrushing, abusing second chances (okay that one I see people getting called out for but it's still a pretty hot topic as to whether they are doing anything bad. Spoilers, yes you're doing the survivor version of being a miserable killer), and predropping pallets while your team rushes gens.
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The biggest issue facing killers is that regardless of ranks, if we 0k its cause we suck, but if we 4k then its solely because we did a myriad of shameful things that makes us suck again. It's hard to enjoy going against a team of actually competent survivors because very rarely will they be nice about things regardless of how the match went. It's harder to get a ggwp from survivors than anything else in this game.
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Preach, brother (or sister).
Don't worry, us fellow Dark Souls masochists stand with you. Playing killer may be more challenging, but it's ultimately more rewarding.
Plus, I've noticed a massive correlation between Dark Souls fans (myself included) and killer mains. Best guess is that we love overcoming adversity.
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I agree with this, but you can't say that here. You need to leave, fir your safety sir.
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Survivors are the power role, we have more control over the outcome by base design. Honestly we influence 3 of the killer's emblems, all of our own emblems, and match length.
In most cases the killer has to truly be better or hope we screw up.
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Gen rush, tunneling, camping arent toxic. Those are the most effective strats. But its surely not fun for the other side.
Solve the problems with perks: Gen slow down, DS, BT isnt a right way. The game core mechanic should have those as build-in kit.
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Don't Forget the devs keep removing our tools. Remember the ruin change? Why was that so annoying - because their reasons for changing it were so survivor sided;
-Unfun to play against
-New survivors struggle
-80% of red rank use it (and I wonder why that would be???)
So then we get ruin/undying. In order to play that properly/ efficiency facecamping and to a certain extent tunneling was a no no - survivors don't like it so guess what??? It gets nerfed. Since then I've been a considerably less nice killer- if 3 gens go instantly yes I will tunnel to get someone out the game ASAP do I like doing it ? No. But if it gives me a chance to win I will.
Undying nerfed practically happened instantly. And yet keys haven't even been touched yet (mori's have though).
I play killer a lot less than I used to. Funnily enough when I do play koller though I get a game instantly...
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So how would you do it without railroading the game and losing complexity. I've seen a lot of ideas but all of them are either too restrictive thus making the game restrictive and less complex or too soft and it does nothing so people will still complain.
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I feel your pain!!!
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I just don't like the massive difference between playing against solos and SWF.
Solos maybe one or two gens get done and you stomp them and have an easy match.
SWF 3 gens pop by the time you get the first down.
The games either to difficult or way to easy.
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For post game trash talk? Damn straight - dbd players are the worst. There's a reason I named the most corrisive and toxic planet full of salt deposits in No Man's Sky after this community.
But people simply using mechanics and strategies to get ahead in the game in and of itself is not toxic. It's simply playing the game.
I know it's trite; but don't hate the player, hate the game.
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I agree, I don't find camping or hook sabotage toxic as they are strays nonetheless. However, the end game chat is just disgusting and can get me pissed off even tho I'm a really chill player.
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That just it right there; relying on survivor mistakes. A killer can be as good as they can, but if survivors don't make mistakes, there's literally nothing the killer can do.
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I feel like keys should only be something that appears in a chest that round at the same rate the spawn now. You're lucky to have one, makes it more exciting.It isn't something you can escape with and not something that can be unlocked in the web. Also green keys are useless. 😆
I can't support your use of Bubba, friend playing against him is just no fun with the constant insta-downs, lol.
I myself I play both sides and I definitely get more toxic messages from survivors than I do killers and I am better at survivor. 🤷 Survivors will send me more messages when I am also a survivor, so...
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Kings of Adversity brother
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I hardly play killer anymore compared to how I used too. They've messed with so much stuff and the general toxicity of the game is crazy. Thought being killer and bringing toxic survivors to justice would help but cut off one head, two more will take their place.
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Are you saying the key rate spawn is OK? You are right, it doesn't happen too often, and it probably was very exciting for the survivors who escaped... I was even prepared to not get salty about it in the chat, and I opened up the chat with a gg. I don't even think I got a gg back before the survivors started justifying their key escape, and then criticizing me for staying near a hook when there were scratch marks in the area. They called a Blight, with something like 7 hooks (would have finished on at least 9), a camper. It's that entitled attitude that annoyed me.
Also, yeah me then playing in a toxic manner as Bubba was not a good solution, as then I'm punishing totally different people. However Bubba and his insta-down itself is not toxic, he is a relatively easy Killer to loop.
Your final point, yes as Killer I get toxicity all the time, as survivor I see other survivors either being toxic to the Killer (I ALWAYS call them out on it), or survivors being toxic to me and other survivors (why didn't you save, etc.).
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The game has a lot of balance issues in general. It's hard to keep that in perspective especially when the game often feels broken. I just want to have fun snd not br treated like garbage. Some people act like this game is their job and it's always gotta be someone else's fault that they aren't getting their precious pips. 🤷
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One way is making it slightly harder to depip. The most frustrating part about being face camped or hard tunneled is that fact even if you played well ( for example a game I played recently where I got done 3 gens, cleansed the hex totem, and rescued 2 hooked survivors) you can still easily depip if the killer camps you.
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Play however you want, and don't read end game chat. Do what you find fun, because why play a game if you don't have fun?
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